What does feel like a 2018-19 phone though? It’s all been much the same for a few years now from Apple so I am genuinely curious.
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iPhone XR Would you buy an iPhone XR for 749 or an iPhone X for 769
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What does feel like a 2018-19 phone though? It’s all been much the same for a few years now from Apple so I am genuinely curious.
Xr screen at ordinary brightness looks pretty average against any comparable Android (Galaxy S8 screen for example) or X(S). Apple's own pricing suggests how superior the OLED screen is.
And I do not buy the argument that specs do not matter. Because Apple started this race!
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I think specs matter to some degree but it’s on the consumer to decide what they are willing to pay for. I wouldn’t pay a premium just because a phone has an OLED screen to be honest and if that’s the thing that makes the XR a non-2018/19 phone then I’m happy to live without that. Having compared LCD to OLED on iPhones myself, I am happy that there is minimal difference for my viewing and therefore I could get a cheaper device and not feel it is any less premium.
A $100 premium is probably ok but I agree that we shouldn't be paying a ridiculous $350 premium.
Personally, I'd any day take a A11 with OLED instead of A12 with LCD if the prices are similar
the A12 chip can add more of an dramatic user experience such as Super HDR photos, portait mode editing, 60 FPS gaming, faster application usage, better battery efficiency, and longer iOS upgrade support. Also future games would run better as games get more graphically advanced.
where OLED vs LCD is hardly a difference unless you compare it side by side. the user experience won't change as much.
So, while OLED is technically better than LCD... a display is still a display, while the A12 chip changes the user experience way more dramatically.
I guess, would you have a nice fancy looking sports car with a 4 cylinder 150 hp engine. or a car that looks like a Toyota Camry with an 8 cylinder 250 hp engine with better gas mileage
where OLED vs LCD is hardly a difference unless you compare it side by side. the user experience won't change as much.
So, while OLED is technically better than LCD... a display is still a display, while the A12 chip changes the user experience way more dramatically.
I guess, would you have a nice fancy looking sports car with a 4 cylinder 150 hp engine. or a car that looks like a Toyota Camry with an 8 cylinder 250 hp engine with better gas mileage
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I’d take the opposite choice personally but I suppose this is why OLED sells to those who are willing to pay extra for it and those like me who aren’t as bothered. To be fair though I had the choice between an XR, X and an 8+ at my last upgrade and had an 8+ as it was the best deal lol. I’m less about posing these days and more about practicality and really started to question what we are getting for our money.
That's a question you should answer yourself. I would recommend going to the store and fiddling around with both. Everyone has their little quirks and those transfer to things we use in our daily lives. I would assume one will stand out as the better phone for you after a few minutes and then just go with your gut.
The price difference is so minimal that it's irrelevant. Refurbished or not doesn't matter either; the direction in which you sway will be revealed after a few minutes with each device in your hand.
The price difference is so minimal that it's irrelevant. Refurbished or not doesn't matter either; the direction in which you sway will be revealed after a few minutes with each device in your hand.
Why? I know you mentioned T-Mobile has a one new, but Apples refurbished program is fairly reputable, includes a warranty for one year and their customer service to stand behind it, which I personally trust Apple over any carrier.
Because I personally have T-Mobile? Because they offer a lower price on a brand new phone as opposed to a higher price on a refurbished unit? Because it would come with the exact same manufacturer warranty as if I got it through Apple, so if there's an issue, I can still take it into the Apple Store and get the exact same customer service? Not exactly sure why someone in my position would be better off getting the phone from Apple instead, unless it's for the branded retail bag or something. Obviously, if you're not a T-Mobile customer, then it's a different situation.
This is what people fail to understand.
Would you rather they have the XS at 999 and XR at 899?
Nope, right?
That's what Apple is trying to avoid too.
They're literally giving away the XR at a throwaway price compared to the XS even though they're not very different.
However, instead of praising Apple, they again get bad mouthed.
Sucks to be Apple.
P.S. My only gripe with the XR is that it is way too big! Had it been like 5.2 to 5.5", it would have been perfect!
That's the problem with every phone in the line up.
Either too big or too heavy or has glossy edges or poor LTE implementation or causes headaches or less RAM or outdated styling or notch or ...
If the XR were the size and weight of the X, is might have been an easier comparison.
Yeah the size is what I think has put a lot of people off the XR. It’s a great phone for the price and what it offers but for a significant chunk of consumers it’ll be considered too big. I know plenty of people who wouldn’t considered it on that alone so I think Apple missed a trick by not offering it in 2 sizes. You can’t replace an iPhone 8 with a Plus size iPhone and expect everyone to just put up with it.
Price and size options have hurt them this year I would say.
Price and size options have hurt them this year I would say.
Very well said. The XR is heavier than all Plus phones except the 8+, so if someone doesn't want a Plus phone and wants an affordable price point, they need to go with the iP7 or iP8, if they want a compact and lighter phone.
I gather why you would opt for T-Mobile, because you’re already a customer. But you said “I Definitely would not recommend a refurbished device (X) from Apple”, which which leads one to ask you why, because you were not very specific/clear on your thoughts on this. And I just wanted to reiterate, even if someone were to purchase from Apple directly, those refurbished devices are still like new, stringently tested and include a warranty with their top customer service.
This is exactly what Apple wanted people to believe but it hasn't really worked has it?
I wouldn't term the Xr price as 'throw-away' (even on a relative scale). It was supposed to be an iphone for the masses and the only way it would have worked was if the price was $600-650.
I have always expressed the view that Xr is a compromise from every angle. It is functional alright but
a) the screen is mediocre
b) camera is inferior to Xs
c) It is awkwardly sized and heavy
d) Even on the famed battery, I do not see the appeal of a 36 hour battery instead of 24 hours. Are you supposed to charge in the middle of alternate days? Until the graphene breakthrough comes along for a weekly battery-life, daily charging is here to stay.
I'd always go (again) with the XR, as OLED screens are really giving me eye strain and make me feel uncomfortable.
If - as the rumors suggest - Apple will be switching to OLED only in 2020, I will have to stick with the last LCD iPhone available until Micro LED screens are ready... I really cannot use OLED with PWM more than a few minutes without really feeling uncomfortable... I tried the X, XS and XS Max as well as some premium Androids with OLED, it is just not for me.... Akward, but it is as it is.
If - as the rumors suggest - Apple will be switching to OLED only in 2020, I will have to stick with the last LCD iPhone available until Micro LED screens are ready... I really cannot use OLED with PWM more than a few minutes without really feeling uncomfortable... I tried the X, XS and XS Max as well as some premium Androids with OLED, it is just not for me.... Akward, but it is as it is.
I get you hate the Xr but this is absurd.
A.) It has the same ppi as all the previous iphones but no one complained then. The screens were excellent before but now it's just mediocre?
B.) the camera is not inferior it just doesn’t have the telephoto lens
C.) complaining about having too much battery life? Lol.. its not about daily charging...heavy usage will drain the battery before you can even get home to charge it.
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Would I by an X(s) instead of Xr? Absolutely!
But I do not hate the Xr. After all Apple needs a thriving ecosystem of a billion users to continue to spend in R&D and innovate. I think it is the pricing where they got it wrong. As somebody else put it eloquently, Tim wanted to see what the market will bear. The bear is biting back!
A) the ppi on a smaller screen but on a bigger one ? It should of been 1080p at 6.1 inches. On a 4.7 720p is ok but on a 6.1 no thank you .
well, the millions of people that bought that over the Xs and Xs max this year thought differently. It's obviously good enough for people if it's the best selling new iphone of 2018.
Millions? Lol. Pulling numbers out of what ? Your head ? It is lacking sales and the whole lineup is. It’s still sad you’re putting a 720P screen on a phone that costs $750 when a $300 dollar phone can slap on a 1080p screen. People are buying the XR because of price not because of screen. They just don’t care and rather have the brand. Still does t tell you if they dislike the screen or not.
https://www.counterpointresearch.co...november-iphone-xr-became-best-selling-model/
So you get to determine why people buy the Xr? A lot of people can't stand using the OLED screen without getting headaches and prefer LCD. Some people want better battery life. They DECIDE on their own. Obviously, you own an X and want to defend it so you decide to trash something else to feel better about yourself. I get it. But all the nonsense going around about it when we all own Apple iPhones and we all should be a family is just ridiculous. All I see in this forum is why the Xr sucks when most of the people that complain about it probably never even used it.