Would you return this 13" rMBP?

[carmona]

Guys, are you serious?

I read through the whole thread since my last post and am going crazy.
You're comparing screens together that are NOT CALIBRATED to the same standard with a colorimeter (Spyder).

Furthermore, you're posting photographies here of these single screens or of multiple screens comparing each other. Do you even realise that each camera has it's own automatic white point and color intent?

One more thing: Laptops have got TN-Panels. These show different colors depending on the angle you look at it.

If you have a tint or a wrong color intent on your screens, it's not a hardware defect. Each computer-display configuration needs a calibration. You're evaluating a display's quality based on a factor that is influenced by the standard color profile of the MacOSX. How can you rely on that???

A good display quality is not about the color tint, it's about it's panel (IPS much better than TN for example, it's backlight uniformity, etc.). Plus, MacBooks have a glossy display, matte display's are much more reliable.

So stop loosing your time and invest in a calibrator if color reliability is important.

 

[xylitol]

One more thing: Laptops have got TN-Panels. These show different colors depending on the angle you look at it.

Pros have IPS-panels, Airs have TNs (unfortunately).

And at least they should be pre-calibrated according to whether the particular panel is manufactured by Samsung or LG (or whomever), if and when they differ so much from each other. Colorimeters should only be needed for nuances.

 

[Kristine]

Guys, are you serious?

I read through the whole thread since my last post and am going crazy.
You're comparing screens together that are NOT CALIBRATED to the same standard with a colorimeter (Spyder).

Furthermore, you're posting photographies here of these single screens or of multiple screens comparing each other. Do you even realise that each camera has it's own automatic white point and color intent?

One more thing: Laptops have got TN-Panels. These show different colors depending on the angle you look at it.

If you have a tint or a wrong color intent on your screens, it's not a hardware defect. Each computer-display configuration needs a calibration. You're evaluating a display's quality based on a factor that is influenced by the standard color profile of the MacOSX. How can you rely on that???

A good display quality is not about the color tint, it's about it's panel (IPS much better than TN for example, it's backlight uniformity, etc.). Plus, MacBooks have a glossy display, matte display's are much more reliable.

So stop loosing your time and invest in a calibrator if color reliability is important.

My three returns of the 2015 13" rMBP were due to image retention.

 

[8tm]

Guys, are you serious?

I read through the whole thread since my last post and am going crazy
You're comparing screens together that are NOT CALIBRATED to the same standard with a colorimeter (Spyder).

So stop loosing your time and invest in a calibrator if color reliability is important.

Lol go ahead and try to calibrate a screen with the left bottom yellow & the top right corner pink. You just can't.

I understand your point but long story short A029 are crap yellow, often uneven & IR powered while most of the A02A are just white & even. There is clearly something wrong..

 

[objectiveseeker]

indeed. just received my exchanged gonna open it up when I get home. since you actively reply to this thread, have you experienced the fan ramping up to full rpms under load objective seeker? my first laptop did this which had the perfect screen but I returned it thinking the sudden full blast fan was not normal.

it may be just fine. Remember that spotlight is going to index the first time you turn it on or restore from time machine backup. that means load for the first hour or so when new.

I'm not saying it's impossible to be a fault, but give it a few hours (and look for processes eating load labeled with "mds" in Activity Viewer)

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Guys, are you serious?

I read through the whole thread since my last post and am going crazy.
You're comparing screens together that are NOT CALIBRATED to the same standard with a colorimeter (Spyder).

Furthermore, you're posting photographies here of these single screens or of multiple screens comparing each other. Do you even realise that each camera has it's own automatic white point and color intent?

One more thing: Laptops have got TN-Panels. These show different colors depending on the angle you look at it.

If you have a tint or a wrong color intent on your screens, it's not a hardware defect. Each computer-display configuration needs a calibration. You're evaluating a display's quality based on a factor that is influenced by the standard color profile of the MacOSX. How can you rely on that???

A good display quality is not about the color tint, it's about it's panel (IPS much better than TN for example, it's backlight uniformity, etc.). Plus, MacBooks have a glossy display, matte display's are much more reliable.

So stop loosing your time and invest in a calibrator if color reliability is important.

If you have a good unit you're right. If you get a bad unit, you wont even need to open ColorSync to figure it out. I hope we haven't cyberchondriac'd anyone, but there are real issues with many units.

 

[SE43]

Guys, are you serious?

I read through the whole thread since my last post and am going crazy.
You're comparing screens together that are NOT CALIBRATED to the same standard with a colorimeter (Spyder).

Furthermore, you're posting photographies here of these single screens or of multiple screens comparing each other. Do you even realise that each camera has it's own automatic white point and color intent?

One more thing: Laptops have got TN-Panels. These show different colors depending on the angle you look at it.

If you have a tint or a wrong color intent on your screens, it's not a hardware defect. Each computer-display configuration needs a calibration. You're evaluating a display's quality based on a factor that is influenced by the standard color profile of the MacOSX. How can you rely on that???

A good display quality is not about the color tint, it's about it's panel (IPS much better than TN for example, it's backlight uniformity, etc.). Plus, MacBooks have a glossy display, matte display's are much more reliable.

So stop loosing your time and invest in a calibrator if color reliability is important.

This has been a problem since the Retina MBP came out in 2012. It's usually the LG displays that are much, much worse than the Samsung displays. Like in most cases night and day compared to each other in terms of image retention, backlight bleed, yellowing etc.

 

[Harthag]

I've been buying laptops since the late 90's. Out of all of them, NONE have had the issues I've had with MacBook Pros, iPhones, or iPads for that matter, regarding screen tinting / coloring. My screens over the years have displayed white as white to my eyes, even TN screens while directly in front of me. Sure I've exchanged many a laptop for dead pixels, but never for a yellow or pink or off white screen like my Apple products. Maybe I got lucky back then. If I get a screen that doesn't look white to my eyes out of the box it goes back. My 65 year old parents who are not at all tech savvy both instantly noticed my A029 screen was yellow compared to my A02A (I ran it by them to prove to myself that I am not insane). A few days ago I snagged a refurb Dell XPS 13" with FHD matte screen from the outlet, couldn't resist w/ a 25% off coupon. Should arrive shortly. I'm curious to see how a laptop that cost me nearly 50% less than the rMBP compares. I'm guessing it'll be just as good, on the 1st try.

 

[SE43]

I've been buying laptops since the late 90's. Out of all of them, NONE have had the issues I've had with MacBook Pros, iPhones, or iPads for that matter, regarding screen tinting / coloring. My screens over the years have displayed white as white to my eyes, even TN screens while directly in front of me. Sure I've exchanged many a laptop for dead pixels, but never for a yellow or pink or off white screen like my Apple products. Maybe I got lucky back then. If I get a screen that doesn't look white to my eyes out of the box it goes back. My 65 year old parents who are not at all tech savvy both instantly noticed my A029 screen was yellow compared to my A02A (I ran it by them to prove to myself that I am not insane). A few days ago I snagged a refurb Dell XPS 13" with FHD matte screen from the outlet, couldn't resist w/ a 25% off coupon. Should arrive shortly. I'm curious to see how a laptop that cost me nearly 50% less than the rMBP compares. I'm guessing it'll be just as good, on the 1st try.

That the new Broadwell 2015 XPS 13? Looked at those as I use Windows quite a fair amount for programming. They look really good for the price.

 

[Harthag]

That the new Broadwell 2015 XPS 13? Looked at those as I use Windows quite a fair amount for programming. They look really good for the price.

Yep. i5 5200U / 8gb / 256gb ssd / FHD matte screen. For $749 pre-tax with the coupon I found. I was like and could not resist, it is a steal.

 

[SE43]

Yep. i5 5200U / 8gb / 256gb ssd / FHD matte screen. For $749 pre-tax with the coupon I found. I was like and could not resist, it is a steal.

Excellent price that is a steal. Best bang for your buck specwise too!

 

[objectiveseeker]

Got my new bto a day early with the 2-3 day shipping. Wanted to post that it is an A02A, white, no image retention, 16gb/2.9/256 ordered last Saturday.

Seems like they got a new shipment in or something from reports here, it's a keeper

 

[Harthag]

Got my new bto a day early with the 2-3 day shipping. Wanted to post that it is an A02A, white, no image retention, 16gb/2.9/256 ordered last Saturday.

Seems like they got a new shipment in or something from reports here, it's a keeper

Awesome! Enjoy the laptop now finally

 

[thadoggfather]

Yep. i5 5200U / 8gb / 256gb ssd / FHD matte screen. For $749 pre-tax with the coupon I found. I was like and could not resist, it is a steal.

jealous a little bit! I was tempted to give this a try but it sold out by the time I saw the slickdeal. Provided it has a good return policy in case its junk.. but that infinity display seems really intriguing. I'd go non touch too.

Got my new bto a day early with the 2-3 day shipping. Wanted to post that it is an A02A, white, no image retention, 16gb/2.9/256 ordered last Saturday.

Seems like they got a new shipment in or something from reports here, it's a keeper

yay!

 

[objectiveseeker]

(unrelated to thread topic) as I thought, expose is subjectively smoother on a machine with 16GB when running two VMs. Not that it was ever unusable in any case. I'm sure, if one must hit swap, its pretty fast on these machines.

Just a note for others. Laptop's a beaut. I'll check in the thread from time to time, but thanks to thadoggfather for starting the thread and giving me a change to say my piece.

 

[aodesigns]

Got my new bto a day early with the 2-3 day shipping. Wanted to post that it is an A02A, white, no image retention, 16gb/2.9/256 ordered last Saturday.

Seems like they got a new shipment in or something from reports here, it's a keeper

Lucky! hopefully my replacement will be the same, they came and collected it today so hopefully have the replacement within a few days

 

[SE43]

Got my new bto a day early with the 2-3 day shipping. Wanted to post that it is an A02A, white, no image retention, 16gb/2.9/256 ordered last Saturday.

Seems like they got a new shipment in or something from reports here, it's a keeper

(unrelated to thread topic) as I thought, expose is subjectively smoother on a machine with 16GB when running two VMs. I suspect that iGPU system memory is compressed, too, when necessary and that the little delay I would see (which was still entirely usable, not to down it) was it uncompressing those textures.

Just a note for others. And yes, i am truly thrilled at this computer. It's a beaut, best i've ever owned! I'll check in the thread from time to time, but thanks to thadoggfather i've had a chance to say my piece.

Thanks for starting the thread, man.

Woo! Glad you got the A02A too!

I notice the VMs run much smoother too with 16gb RAM, was definitely worth the upgrade.

 

[ZBoater]

So if I got the A02A, does that mean I don't have to worry about it being yellow?

 

[SE43]

So if I got the A02A, does that mean I don't have to worry about it being yellow?

From what I have seen on this thread, pretty much yes.

 

[ZBoater]

From what I have seen on this thread, pretty much yes.

Sweet! Then I won.

 

[SE43]

Sweet! Then I won.

So did I, woo!

 

[thadoggfather]

everybody have beers to A02A

I have my own little victory though not nearly as annoying or problematic or time consuming (understatement), bought a pentalobe off amazon and just re-adhered the screws in the order above.

My MBP creaks SO much less/almost never now manhandling it

this is a nice kit if anyone is interested: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I039E9W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[objectiveseeker]

everybody have beers to A02A

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I have my own little victory though not nearly as annoying or problematic or time consuming (understatement), bought a pentalobe off amazon and just re-adhered the screws in the order above.

My MBP creaks SO much less/almost never manhandling it

I'd raise a glass, it's a true joy to look at! Psychologically, compared to my non-retina 2012, it seems like the screen is 2x bigger w/out any actual change in size. 15" would almost be too big! This is my first retina screen, so i guess i'm just catchin' up.

What do you mean by re-ordering the screws? I see an order there, but not the original order - was it clockwise from the upper left, originally? I don't have any creaking here a'tall but very interesting. Are you referring to the 2015 13?

One day soon, when there are 3rd party SM951's that fit the apple-connector, i'll go 1TB and need th' pentalobe thingy too. I guess I could sell the 256 to one of the people with the 128GB

 

[thadoggfather]

I'd raise a glass, it's a true joy to look at! Psychologically, compared to my non-retina 2012, it seems like the screen is 2x bigger w/out any actual change in size. 15" would almost be too big! This is my first retina screen, so i guess i'm just catchin' up.

What do you mean by re-ordering the screws? I see an order there, but not the original order - was it clockwise from the upper left, originally? I don't have any creaking here a'tall but very interesting. Are you referring to the 2015 13?

One day soon, when there are 3rd party SM951's that fit the apple-connector, i'll go 1TB and need th' pentalobe thingy too. I guess I could sell the 256 to one of the people with the 128GB

Yeah its my first retina too (mac), coming from 2011 Air.

And yep, thats the order. not sure about the original order, its probably as quick as they can screw it together at the factory with no rhyme or reason. There's an article in Apple's knowledge base that is the same order for user upgradeable parts of non retinas, so I went with it. Just reseated the screws essentially.

That's true, I'd have to wait until it went out of warranty (have AmEx two years) but maybe 3+ if I get applecare.

nothing is user upgradeable technically in the retinas.

 

[blwade]

I looked up what screen I got this afternoon after reading through this post...

Unfortunately, I landed a A029 on my 2.7/16/256 2015 rmbp

My screen seems really uniform.... but when I turn the brightness up all the way on my phone (iPhone 6+) and my macbook, the phone looks much more white and crisper. I can get it matching pretty close if I turn the brightness down on my phone some.

I also checked the site for testing the image retention and didn't seem to have an issue. I might like to go by the apple store and compare the laptops there...

Not crazy about the thought of having to reorder a new machine... but if it is yellow tinted, I will always be thinking about/noticing that!

 

[thadoggfather]

I looked up what screen I got this afternoon after reading through this post...

Unfortunately, I landed a A029 on my 2.7/16/256 2015 rmbp

My screen seems really uniform.... but when I turn the brightness up all the way on my phone (iPhone 6+) and my macbook, the phone looks much more white and crisper. I can get it matching pretty close if I turn the brightness down on my phone some.

I also checked the site for testing the image retention and didn't seem to have an issue. I might like to go by the apple store and compare the laptops there...

Not crazy about the thought of having to reorder a new machine... but if it is yellow tinted, I will always be thinking about/noticing that!

Honestly if you like it don't bother. I believe there probably are A029's out there that are decent, I swear I've seen some in previous posts, this is just for people who SEE issues and need to be certain those aren't the only devices out there.

That's really my intent.