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The point is that there is no need anymore for their services, free or not. Now Apple has its own maps and its gonna be better than Googles'. Not now, but after few iterations.

Does not compute.

Either it's ready now in which case you would be right, there is no need for google, or it's not, which you admit is the case, so there clearly is a need!
 
The point is that there is no need anymore for their services, free or not. Now Apple has its own maps and its gonna be better than Googles'. Not now, but after few iterations. And will be available on Android too.

What utter b*ll*cks! Of course there's a need, seeing how Apple's maps aren't fit for purpose in the UK. If they're gonna be better well that's just dandy, but until then I'd like not to be saddled with Apple's second rate maps.

You fangrrls/bois give the rest of us users a bad name, how precisely is anyone supposed to be glad that Apple have removed a working feature and replaced it with crap?
 
I realise that US users constitute the majority of this forum, but I'd definitely extend the above comment out to every nationality.

This has been the most disappointing aspect of the widespread problems with iOS 6 & the new iPhone 5 for me. I find it disheartening that even when Apple makes terrible mistakes that not only is there no sympathy from some, as you say, but even worse people go on the attack against others who are experiencing these issues.

I really don't get that at all, if you don't have the problem, there are plenty other threads on here for you to spend your time on without spending hour upon hour attacking others because their Apple experience has become much worse.

Some of those affected have made a reasonable financial investment in Apple having bought products for their entire family, how can you not feel some kind of empathy/sympathy with these folks?

I'm glad I don't think that way and the vast majority of my family & friends.

This is really going to "date" me, but remember when everybody was referring to the "Ugly American?" Long time ago, Americans were such hicks going abroad, and had such little understanding of other cultures, they offended everybody wherever they went.

Well, we now have the Ugly Apple User, and even the Ugly Android User.

And the sad truth is that these people don't even know how Ugly they are.
 
The point is that there is no need anymore for their services, free or not. Now Apple has its own maps and its gonna be better than Googles'. Not now, but after few iterations. And will be available on Android too.

Yeah - name other Apple software available on Android...

No?

Thought so...
 
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The point is that there is no need anymore for their services, free or not. Now Apple has its own maps and its gonna be better than Googles'. Not now, but after few iterations. And will be available on Android too.

Why would Apple maps be on Android? Everyone gets upset saying this is Googles fault and they didn't allow them to use turn by turn or it was too expensive of a contract for Apple to keep using Google. When has Apple allowed any of there software on Android? It won't happen.
 
Why would Apple maps be on Android? Everyone gets upset saying this is Googles fault and they didn't allow them to use turn by turn or it was too expensive of a contract for Apple to keep using Google. When has Apple allowed any of there software on Android? It won't happen.

There are itunes, quicktime and icloud on windows. Icloud is available to android users too.

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Kindly point me to a more complete/feature filled service. If Google isn't the leader in both those areas, this shouldn't be a problem for you.

Nah you stated that Google is leader - based on what?
 
I suppose a 100+ page thread is a bit much to read through, but I assure you the bulk of issues aren't over 3D renderings, but the actual maps being off, satellite images being useless (either cloud cover or extremely pitiful resolution), or them having no idea where the proper addresses should be.

If the majority of complaints were about the wonky 3D renderings or missing POI, it'd likely be nearing 1000 pages.

I posted the below comment a couple of days ago after someone asked to find a gas station and enter the correct address...

For those who want to play along at home, the address is:

856 Scarsdale Ave
Scarsdale, NY

It's in the center of the town, a suburb, and only 20 miles north of New York City.


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That would be good info if I lived in New York. So I guess it sucks to be you then?


Day 2 San Diego

Another day in an unfamiliar town and another POI that a friend suggested, The Cottage in La Jolla, CA for Breakfast. Basically a "Hole in the Wall" place but I was able to find it using Apple's Maps App. Try the the French Toast and the Eggs Benedict.

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Nah you stated that Google is leader - based on what?

Based on my experience with it.

Also, it become #1 in features back in 2008 :

http://searchengineland.com/google-maps-features-market-share-rising-14932

And as of 2012, even after "bleeding" developers over the charges, it remains the dominant force in mapping API for 3rd parties :

http://www.webpronews.com/google-maps-still-bleeding-developers-businesses-2012-06
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So again, if you have any other "market leaders" to point to, feel free to show me a more complete/feature filled solution.
 
There are itunes, quicktime and icloud on windows. Icloud is available to android users too.

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Nah you stated that Google is leader - based on what?

I said Android, how is iCloud really available to an android user?
 
Based on my experience with it.

Also, it become #1 in features back in 2008 :

http://searchengineland.com/google-maps-features-market-share-rising-14932

And as of 2012, even after "bleeding" developers over the charges, it remains the dominant force in mapping API for 3rd parties :

http://www.webpronews.com/google-maps-still-bleeding-developers-businesses-2012-06
google_graph1.png


So again, if you have any other "market leaders" to point to, feel free to show me a more complete/feature filled solution.

PCWorld has clearly stated that Bing has an advantage over Google
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2583...ps_a_showdown_of_satellite_images.html?page=3

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I said Android, how is iCloud really available to an android user?

http://gdeluxe.com/icloud-android-how-to-install-icloud-on-android/
 
PCWorld has clearly stated that Bing has an advantage over Google
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2583...ps_a_showdown_of_satellite_images.html?page=3


So.. some examples of satellite imagery being better on Google Maps vs Bing and vice versa is an indication of Bing being leader... how exactly ?

Is that the best you've got ?

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You did read that link didn't you. That's not even close to being "iCloud for Android". That's just the imap service you can configure...
 
PCWorld has clearly stated that Bing has an advantage over Google
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2583...ps_a_showdown_of_satellite_images.html?page=3

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That's on satellite imagery quality - Bing sometimes has higher resolution and better color. That's one thing.

But add in traffic, 3D, street view, aps integration etc... and Google runs away with it.

I suppose you could argue more, but it is pretty obvious to most people that google maps is far and away the leading platform. It is either superior or good enough in every category.

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Edit, apparently I didn't refresh. Stonejacks's goofy post is getting served.

"Clearly stated" is a stretch - they are comparing satellite images between Bing and Google. There's more to a maps service...

Is that the best you've got ?

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So.. some examples of satellite imagery being better on Google Maps vs Bing and vice versa is an indication of Bing being leader... how exactly ?

Is that the best you've got ?

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You did read that link didn't you. That's not even close to being "iCloud for Android". That's just the imap service you can configure...


It is as good as what you've got.
iCloud on Android can be used - its a service, you know. Maybe you thought that iCloud is a small nice silver cloud which is not available on Android? Well, you are wrong. And btw Gmap is available on iOS either.
 
It is as good as what you've got.

Uh ? I provided charts about API usage, feature lists, etc.. You provide 4 satelite images comparisons. 2 of which showed Google was "better" than Bing.

No seriously, you really think you proved a point ?

iCloud on Android can be used - its a service, you know.

Wait, how do I use iTunes Match ? iTunes in the Cloud ? Photo Stream ? Backup my Android phone to iCloud ? iCloud is more than just an iMap service (which is only good for e-mail and maybe syncing of contacts/calendaring, though usually people will use other, more appropriate protocols for those than iMap folders).

Maybe you thought that iCloud is a small nice silver cloud which is not available on Android? Well, you are wrong.

No, I just know iCloud is more than just an iMap service. I think it's you that's erring on what iCloud actually is...

IAnd btw Gmap is available on iOS either.

Sure it is, as a web app. Except the web app doesn't :

- Have StreetView
- Load as fast as a native app
- Render as fast as a native app
- Cannot fix or replace the Map Kit framework for 3rd party apps that are now broken.

Then, there's Maps+ which reverted to the Google Maps in their latest update, but that still doesn't :

- Fix or Replace the Map Kit framework for 3rd party apps that are now broken.

And aren't you tired of getting data mined by Google here ? MacRumors is a Google agent, sending your info straight to Google! :eek: What are you still doing here, run!
 

That's not what iCloud is. Not even close. Tricking your way into iCloud services isn't how any cloud service works.

Apple does not share with Android (not that I would expect them too). Just like FaceTime, you can't use it between an Android and iPhone. However you can use Google+ on both. Or find my friends, only works iPhone to iPhone, but you can use google Latitude on both.

Point I was originally saying is (IF one day Apple maps IS better) you'll never see imaps on Android devices.

Just compare, amount of apple apps on google play vs amount of google apps in the App Store. It's like 22 : 0, lol!
 
Does everyone remember how Apple first described Maps? Oh, how times have changed!

"Apple no longer calls iOS6 Maps ‘the most beautiful, powerful mapping service ever.’"

http://9to5mac.com/2012/09/29/apple...most-beautiful-powerful-mapping-service-ever/

The whole atrocious Maps disaster is overwhelming any good publicity about the iPhone 5. Instead of glowing reports about LTE speeds, we've got a huge number of bad reviews focusing on how terrible Maps is.

Total public relations disaster.
 
That's not what iCloud is. Not even close. Tricking your way into iCloud services isn't how any cloud service works.

Pardon me, there is no difference whether its tricked or not, it works as a cloud and thats the definition.
 
Pardon me, there is no difference whether its tricked or not, it works as a cloud and thats the definition.

Question is, why would I use iCloud on another platform when I have trick my way into gaining access to it? Why would I use it over Dropbox, Skydrive, or Google Cloud. Services that are available and easy to use across all platforms?

Ease of use is the key phrase here. I could use iCloud as a cloud service on Android, but it'd be limited, clunky, and likely to break whenever Apple updates the service. Why would I want to?
 
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