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Wow. Apple Maps is a disaster.

Time to ditch the Apple ecosystem?

The above reading is grim. Particularly disturbing is the news that with IOS 6, all apps that use mapping data switch to Apple's mapping with no choice in the matter.

Plus the additional report from one iPhone 4 user that Apple maps only seem to operate smoothly on iPhone 5s, are stuttery and slow on a 4. Mine is an iPhone 4/4s (3x) and iPad 2 family.

It's beginning to look as though the only way I can protect my consumer experience is to sell off the iPhone and move to Samsung. Maybe the family should then follow suit.

I continue to watch this thread for news of a SOLUTION that does not destroy the value of my family's Apple hardware.
 
StoneJack said:
Nobody forced either to buy Apple phone or update to 6.0. Maps are working fine as well, and there is variety to choose from. As for Google spyware: if you can't live without it, why you then don't move to their platform? As for phone: just sell it and thats it.

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That "Nobody Forced You" line is boring and not even worth arguing. I've been a loyal Apple supporter since day one.

However, I'm not afraid to speak up when something is foul -- unlike you, who simply bends over for Apple, but hey, that's your prerogative I suppose.

As for "Maps working fine," no, you're wrong about that. Tim Cook issued an apology about Maps' horrible shortcomings. Pay attention.
 
EMAN19 said:
That "Nobody Forced You" line is boring and not even worth arguing. I've been a loyal Apple supporter since day one.

However, I'm not afraid to speak up when something is foul -- unlike you, who simply bends over for Apple, but hey, that's your prerogative I suppose.

As for "Maps working fine," no, you're wrong about that. Tim Cook issued an apology about Maps' horrible shortcomings. Pay attention.
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Well for me, Maps are working fine, it contains exact set of data as Tom Tom in my area, so what? I am not bending, neither I do create any fuss over some missing data - it will be there, no problems. What is your problem?
 
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StoneJack said:
Nobody forced either to buy Apple phone or update to 6.0.
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Customer complains his 50 000$ mercedes GPS systems isnt working properly "well sir nobody forced you to buy this car"

This is a BS argument, if apple includes it and heavily focused on it it should work period.


Maps are working fine as well,
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For you for a lot of others they arent.

and there is variety to choose from.
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Yes pay extra because apple cant make a decent app




As for Google spyware: if you can't live without it, why you then don't move to their platform? As for phone: just sell it and thats it.
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The fad on hating google is getting very boring

not spyware and at least it worked for close to everyone .
 
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k995 said:
Customer complains his 50 000$ mercedes GPS systems isnt working properly "well sir nobody forced you to buy this car"

This is a BS argument, if apple includes it and heavily focused on it it should work period.



For you for a lot of others they arent.


Yes pay extra because apple cant make a decent app






The fad on hating google is getting very boring

not spyware and at least it worked for close to everyone .
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The Comprehensive List of All the Data Google Admits to Collecting from Users


Cookies and logs (described above) are used in addition to the methods used below to track users. Note: a few of the items below require a user to opt in.

Google (Normal Search)
Search Engine Result Pages
Country code domain
Query
IP address
Language
Number of results
Safe search
Additional preferences can include:
Street Address
City
State
Zip/postal code
Server log
Query
URL
IP address
Cookie
Browser
Date
Time
Clicks
Google Personalized Search
Logs every website visited as a result of a Google search.

Google's data on me while I researched this article
Content analysis of visited websites
Google Account
Used as resource to compile information on individual users
Sign up
Sign up date
Username
Password
Alternate e-mail
Location (country)
Personal picture
Usage
Friends
Google Services usage
Amount of logins
Toolbar
All websites visited
Unique application number
Sends all visited 404s to Google
Toolbar synchronization function
Stores autofill info with Google account
Sends structure of web forms to Google
Safe browsing
Stores response to security warnings
Stores autofill forms data
Spellcheck sends data to Google servers
Web History
Every website visited from Google SERP
Date
Time
Search query
Ads clicked
Which service
Translate
All text sent to Google servers
Google Finance
Stock portfolio
User’s stocks
Amount of shares
Date/time bought
Bought at price
Google Checkout
Buyers
Full legal name
Credit card number
Debit card number
Card expiration date
Card Verification Number (CVN)
Billing address
Phone number
E-mail address
Sellers
Bank account number
Personal address
Business category
Government-issued identification number
Social Security Number
Taxpayer Identification Number
Sales Volume
Transaction volume
Business information from Dun & Bradstreet
Transactions
Amount
Description of product
Name of seller
Name of buyer
Type of payment used
User trend data
Web Beacons
Referrer data
YouTube
YouTube SERP data
Registered user data
Videos uploaded
Comments posted
Videos flagged
Subscriptions
Channels
Groups
Favorites
Contacts
All videos watched
Frequency of data transfers
Size of data transfers
Click location data
Information display data
E-mail
Web Beacons for tracking
E-mail opened or discarded
Account basics
E-mail
Password
Username
Location (country)
Postal code
Birthdate
Gender
Gmail
Stores, processes, and maintains all messages
Account activity
Storage usage
Number of log-ins
Data displayed
Links clicked
Stores all e-mails
Contact lists
Spam trends
Gchat
All conversations and who they involve.
When service is used
Size of contact list
Contacts communicated with
Frequency of data transfers
Size of data transfers
Clicks
Calendar
Name
Default language
Time zone
Usage statistics
How long the service is used for
Frequency of data transfers
Size of data transfers
Number of events
Number of calendars
Clicks
Deletes every 90 days
All events
Who is going
Who was invited
Comments
Descriptions
Date
Time
Desktop
Indexes and stores
Versions of your files
Computer activity
E-mails
Chats
Web history
Mixed with web search results
Content analysis of data on computer for integration into SERPs (opt-in)
Unique application number
Application interacts with Google’s servers
Number of searches and response times
Goog 411
Phone number
Time of call
Duration of call
Options selected
Phone number used as identifier
Records all voice commands
iGoogle
Settings stored in Cookies
Settings linked to Google Account
Blogger
User photo
Birth date
Location
Frequency of data transfers
Size of data transfers
Clicks
Blogger Mobile
Phone number
Associates with Google Account
Device identifiers
Hardware Identifiers
Google Docs
E-mail address
Number of logins
Actions taken
Storage usage
Clicks
All collaborators
All text
All images
All changes (previous versions)
Groups
E-mail password
Contents of posts
Contents of custom pages
Contents of external files
Account activity
Groups joined
Groups managed
List of members
List of invitees
Ratings made
Preferred settings
Orkut
Name
Gender
Age
Location
Occupation
Religion
Friend graph
Hobbies
Interests
Photos
Invites
Messages
Orkut Mobile
Phone number
Wireless carrier
Content of message
Date
Time
Everything a user writes
Every blog post a user reads
Picasa
Friend graph
Favorite lists
Clicks (almost all Google services track all clicks)
All photos
Geotags (Exif data)
People who subscribe to albums
Mobile
Phone number
Device type
Request type
Carrier
Carrier user ID
Content of request
Maps for mobile
Location information (GPS)
Address
Websites visited if user asks Google to transcode
Voice commands
Web Accelerator
Web requests
Cache of websites before you go to them
Double Click/AdWords
Ads clicked
Age
Sex
Location
Trends of past visited websites
IP address
Health
Medial records
Doctors
Conditions
Prescriptions
Age
Sex
Race
Blood type
Weight
Height
Allergies
Procedures
Test results
Immunizations
Postini
E-mail address
Traffic patterns
Clicks
GrandCentral
Credit card
Credit card expiration date
Credit card verification number
Billing address
Stores, process and maintains
Voicemail messages
Recorded conversations
Contact lists
Storage usage
Number of log ins
Data displayed
Clicks
Telephony log information
Calling-party phone number
Forwarding numbers
Time of calls
Date of calls
Duration of calls
Types of calls
Google Merchant Search
Name
Contact information
E-mail address
Phone number
Notebook
Stores, processes and maintains
All content in notebook
Nickname
Storage usage
Number of log-ins
Google Web Services That Conveniently Don't Have Individual Privacy Policies Disclosing What User Data is Collected
Webmaster Tools
Google Analytics
AdWords
AdSense
Alerts
Reader
Earth
FeedBurner (technically has one, but it is useless)
Search Verticals
Image search
Map search
Blog search
Book search
News search
Patent search
Product search
Scholar search
Special search
Video search
Code search

Gmaps is an integral part of data sniffing, a vehicle for Google to obtain important geographical and locational information about you. Yes, and Gmaps are not free. You pay for it by your privacy and private information. Indeed, you are nothing more than a data donor for Google who then sells your information to advertisers.

http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-evil-side-of-google-exploring-googles-user-data-collection
 
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StoneJack said:
The Comprehensive List of All the Data Google Admits to Collecting from Users


Cookies and logs (described above) are used in addition to the methods used below to track users. Note: a few of the items below require a user to opt in.

Google (Normal Search)....
Code search

Gmaps is an integral part of data sniffing, a vehicle for Google to obtain important geographical and locational information about you. Yes, and Gmaps are not free. You pay for it by your privacy and private information. Indeed, you are nothing more than a data donor for Google who then sells your information to advertisers.

http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-evil-side-of-google-exploring-googles-user-data-collection
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Sure believe google has this personal data on you, I would stop with any sites that has anything to dow ith google .
 
StoneJack said:
The Comprehensive List of All the Data Google Admits to Collecting from Users
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Google would not be able to collect most of the data you (and I use the word "you" lightly there) list without users explicitly giving it to them.

Besides, how is this relevant? In the Maps application on iOS, which pieces of data would actually be collected about users?

This page has Google software on it. You better leave the thread!
 
Haha, StoneJack. You'd better not visit any site using Google Analytics then, or any of those social "like", "tweet this", "share" buttons because they track you too. Don't think that just logging out of Facebook will help either, if you've ever logged in they have your IP address and can marry that up with visiting IP addresses on any site using their "like" button.

Of course if you want to use their services consider the transaction of information payment for using their FREE service. It's not ideal but since no one wants a pay-per-play system for every site you visit that's the reality. Better Google origami and practice folding that tin-foil hat.
 
EMAN19 said:
And yes, we don't all live in Idaho either.
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I wish I lived in Idaho. I've used the maps and turn by turns in Salt Lake City, Chicago, and Madison, WI. All with perfect accuracy. I really like the method in which you are cued with a heads up for the next turn at a reasonable point in time then repeated right at the intersection. I also liked the preview of the upcoming intersection. For me it is a quantum leap upgrade. Very pleased and looking forward to the refinements. I'm sorry you are not in the same boat of satisfaction.
 
Not sure if this is already posted, but I think everyone who's interested in Maps should read this. This is how bad it is in some places, in this case Ontario, Canada.

http://www.mtonic.com/applemaps/

-2028 cities and towns searched
-688 are not even on the map! Error Code 8
-551 are clearly incorrect (wrong country, street names that are similar to town names etc.)
-389 were close but not good enough (for example turn-by-turn might send you off a bridge but you'll get rescued close to where you want to be)
Only about 400 results were actually correct.
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hogprint said:
I am paying attention and the maps work fine for ME. Period.
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Interesting viewpoint. And by this logic then, you are the only person Apple need ever satisfy in order to sell its products to millions of other people around the world. Could save them a lot of money on testing and market research.

Either that or your post is entirely pointless. Hmmm.
 
One of the real problems here seems to be related to something other than the maps application itself:

a) Many U.S. users on this forum are satisfied with the Maps app (that's great! )

b) Many U.S. users on this forum do not seem to understand that they constitute a minority of iphone users around the world.

c) Many U.S. users on this forum do not seem to understand that their experience is just that: their own, subjective experience.

d) Many U.S. users on this forum don't seem to have much sympathy for their fellow iphone users around the world.

e) Many U.S. users living outside large cities do not seem to understand what goes on in large cities (U.S. or elsewhere) and therefore do not understand why accurate maps info and public transportation info are useful to urban life.

Please note that I use 'many' to mark that this obviously doesn't apply to everyone here.
 
PDE said:
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d) Many U.S. users on this forum don't seem to have much sympathy for their fellow iphone users around the world . . .
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I realise that US users constitute the majority of this forum, but I'd definitely extend the above comment out to every nationality.

This has been the most disappointing aspect of the widespread problems with iOS 6 & the new iPhone 5 for me. I find it disheartening that even when Apple makes terrible mistakes that not only is there no sympathy from some, as you say, but even worse people go on the attack against others who are experiencing these issues.

I really don't get that at all, if you don't have the problem, there are plenty other threads on here for you to spend your time on without spending hour upon hour attacking others because their Apple experience has become much worse.

Some of those affected have made a reasonable financial investment in Apple having bought products for their entire family, how can you not feel some kind of empathy/sympathy with these folks?

I'm glad I don't think that way and the vast majority of my family & friends.
 
KeanosMagicHat said:
I realise that US users constitute the majority of this forum, but I'd definitely extend the above comment out to every nationality.

This has been the most disappointing aspect of the widespread problems with iOS 6 & the new iPhone 5 for me. I find it disheartening that even when Apple makes terrible mistakes that not only is there no sympathy from some, as you say, but even worse people go on the attack against others who are experiencing these issues.

I really don't get that at all, if you don't have the problem, there are plenty other threads on here for you to spend your time on without spending hour upon hour attacking others because their Apple experience has become much worse.

Some of those affected have made a reasonable financial investment in Apple having bought products for their entire family, how can you not feel some kind of empathy/sympathy with these folks?

I'm glad I don't think that way and the vast majority of my family & friends.
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I completely agree. Even though we're just discussing a phone, the general lack of sympathy and understanding is really disheartening. And, of course you're right in that this extends beyond any single nationality.
 
Having tried out Apple Maps some more... it really is awful :(

Oh sure, streets and roads are fine, and it has turn-by-turn, etc. etc., but... So many points of interest (POIs) are completely wrong. Some are in the wrong place, some ceased to exist years ago, and some are not listed at all and so do not even show up in a search :rolleyes: No use having turn-by-turn or a search function if it doesn't find the location you want, or it does find it but takes you to the wrong place.

I've tried it out for a few locations here in Cambridge, UK. I've used it to check out areas I'm particularly familiar with, pubs, my walk to work, and so on.

Just on my walk to work there are several errors: Pubs are on the wrong side of the road, McDonald's is on the wrong side of a roundabout, a B&B is on the wrong block completely, an Indian restaurant that closed down five years ago is still shown, a branch of MFI that ceased to exist when MFI went into administration in 2008 is still shown...

I was out on Thursday night at a popular local pub that has been around for years in the same location: Google Maps has it in the correct location, while Apple Maps has it at the other end of the road and round a corner, while a different pub is shown in its place instead of on the opposite side of the road as it is in reality.

Mrs D and I went to London yesterday for my birthday. She took me to see the stage version of War Horse (which is excellent btw).

War Horse was at the New London Theatre in Drury Lane, not far from Covent Garden. The theatre opened in 1973, and according to Wikipedia is well known for Cats, which premiered there in 1981 and ran for 21 years. It's not some random little back-alley theatre that no one has heard of.

While in Covent Garden, I tested both Apple Maps and (via the web app) Google Maps.

I searched for "New London Theatre", and Apple Maps gave me a theatre in New London, Connecticut, USA.

I tried again, with "The New London Theatre". Apple Maps found nothing. I tried again with "New London Theatre London", and it gave me a location in New London, New Hampshire, USA. I tried "New London Theatre Drury Lane", and it gave me Drury Ln, New London, New Hampshire, USA. I tried "New London Theatre England", "New London Theatre UK"... all returned no results.

Mrs D suggested I try some other well-known theatres in the West End's "Theatreland".

"Savoy Theatre" gave me a theatre in Savoy, Illinois, USA.

"Queen's Theatre" gave me Shaftesbury Avenue, Harrow instead of Shaftesbury Avenue, London.

"Novello Theatre" gave me no results.

"Lyceum Theatre" gave me no results.


And what did Google Maps find? It found every location first time, without problem, and without even needing to refine the search by adding "London" or "England" to the end (not that that helped with Apple Maps!).



Another test: Public transport.

The old Map app, which Mrs D still has on her iPhone 4S as she refuses to update to iOS6, would also handle directions via public transport as well as car or foot. She uses it regularly when she goes to London to see musicals (hence refusing to update to iOS6). Stick in a start point and an end point and it will tell you how to get there by public transport, with detailed information regarding e.g. where to walk to get the bus, which number and destination bus to get, what time the bus is and how long it will take... [This also still works via the Google Maps web app]

Apple Maps on iOS6? Ask it for a public transport route, and... it takes you to the App Store, to the section for transport apps. Useless :rolleyes:
 
m00min said:
Haha, StoneJack. You'd better not visit any site using Google Analytics then, or any of those social "like", "tweet this", "share" buttons because they track you too. Don't think that just logging out of Facebook will help either, if you've ever logged in they have your IP address and can marry that up with visiting IP addresses on any site using their "like" button.

Of course if you want to use their services consider the transaction of information payment for using their FREE service. It's not ideal but since no one wants a pay-per-play system for every site you visit that's the reality. Better Google origami and practice folding that tin-foil hat.
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The point is that there is no need anymore for their services, free or not. Now Apple has its own maps and its gonna be better than Googles'. Not now, but after few iterations. And will be available on Android too.
 
StoneJack said:
The point is that there is no need anymore for their services, free or not. Now Apple has its own maps and its gonna be better than Googles'. Not now, but after few iterations. And will be available on Android too.
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Do you seriously believe that ? :eek::confused:

There is a need for Google Maps, it is the industry leader right now in tech and data for mapping. If you don't want to use them, don't. But don't pretend that your needs reflect the needs of others.

And what are you still doing here on Macrumors ? Google is data mining you as we speak!
 
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