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You shouldn't depend on anything Google! They have their hand in every bit of your business, and do the exact opposite of their so called motto 'do no evil'! I'm glad Apple ditched Google maps. Now I can attempt to live life 'Google-free'.... Although they still publish their drive by photos of my Grandma's house, while archiving every bit of our personal data they can..... If Google worked in the airport they'd be called the TSA! Sticking their hands down your pants with a dirty glove is about the only invasion of your privacy Google doesn't do, yet....... I'm sure the merger is coming soon. Who better to provide security than the company that 'knows you best': Google! Maybe Google can vote for us too! why suould we go to the polls, when Google can vote for us? Talk about Apple vs Big Brother; 28 years late.....

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Yep. It happened to me over the weekend. My wife actually said "F you, Siri" as we were driving in circles.

This has happened to me with different Satnavs, but not yet with Apple Maps.

And just for info, Maps guiding me to work today (25km) set me back 252kb download and 38kb upload.

Only opening Google Maps Web App (no satellite picture) costs nearly 3mb download.
 
Well, following the apology, Apple have now changed the misleading claim on their website from;

"All of which may just make this app the most beautiful, powerful mapping service ever".

To;

"All in a beautiful vector-based interface that scales and zooms with ease".


http://www.apple.com/ios/maps/


They didn't think to change the rather ironic, "Maps take a whole new turn" tagline, but a decent step nonetheless against a claim that should never have been made.



Edit - Idefix missed your post on this - but it is a key point in the saga.
 
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I had 10 stops on Saturday and 8 today. Gave maps a test here in SW Ohio. Zero issues and found a new shortcut I never noticed in 30 years of driving. The new interface is slick. A lot of problems I'm reading about are same stuff Google had problems with, people have lost their minds.

Apple will fix the location data the software is fine.

And for those complaining about GPS fix problems....seriously? Have you ever used a GPS ? No GPS works well in tall buildings cause you can't get LOS to the satellites.

Great. I guess if there's no problem in SW Ohio, there's no problem anywhere. The fact that they've ****ed up all of London is irrelevant, because you can get around Ohio.

Maps is *******. Cook didn't apologise for a laugh, he apologised because he also knows it's *******. For it not to be deemed *******, it's need to work to an acceptable level in a lot more places than it does. It's moved whole towns hundreds of miles in the UK. It would be funny, if it had been an option alongside googlemaps for a year. Hell, I'd have enjoyed updating it and making it better. But to have the functionality of google maps taken away and replaced with this ******* is a disgrace.

I'm glad apple have recognised it. It's absurd that you don't.
 
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Great. I guess if there's no problem in SW Ohio, there's no problem anywhere. The fact that they've ****ed up all of London is irrelevant, because you can get around Ohio.

Maps is *******. Cook didn't apologise for a laugh, he apologised because he also knows it's *******. For it not to be deemed *******, it's need to work to an acceptable level in a lot more places than it does. It's moved whole towns hundreds of miles in the UK. It would be funny, if it had been an option alongside googlemaps for a year. Hell, I'd have enjoyed updating it and making it better. But to have the functionality of google maps taken away and replaced with this ******* is a disgrace.

I'm glad apple have recognised it. It's absurd that you don't.

Wahhhhh, London is messed up, I can't get anywhere...wahhhhhh

I personally like Apple Maps. I like the voice prompts and the ability to put the GPS away and rely on the phone to take me wherever I go.

I'm sure there are a lot of screw-ups world wide. But in the final analysis, I trust Apple to fix all the mistakes.
 
Great. I guess if there's no problem in SW Ohio, there's no problem anywhere. The fact that they've ****ed up all of London is irrelevant, because you can get around Ohio.

Maps is *******. Cook didn't apologise for a laugh, he apologised because he also knows it's *******. For it not to be deemed *******, it's need to work to an acceptable level in a lot more places than it does. It's moved whole towns hundreds of miles in the UK. It would be funny, if it had been an option alongside googlemaps for a year. Hell, I'd have enjoyed updating it and making it better. But to have the functionality of google maps taken away and replaced with this ******* is a disgrace.

I'm glad apple have recognised it. It's absurd that you don't.

I live in South East London. How have they ****ed up "all of London"? I can easily navigate around the capital with no problems. I never use POI's anyway as I've always found them unreliable on any provider, postcode and address lookup is absolutely fine.

What exactly have they ****ed up? Or are you relying on hearsay?
 
Wahhhhh, London is messed up, I can't get anywhere...wahhhhhh

I personally like Apple Maps. I like the voice prompts and the ability to put the GPS away and rely on the phone to take me wherever I go.

I'm sure there are a lot of screw-ups world wide. But in the final analysis, I trust Apple to fix all the mistakes.

I trust them to fix the mistakes too. They should have done it either before release, or alongside a working maps app. Instead, they made a terrible call to give consumers an inferior product. I've downgraded to 5.1.1, so I'm not too fussed, but it's laughable to see the fanboys insisting there's no problem even after Cook has publicly apologised, just because the way they use maps or where they use it isn't affected.

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I live in South East London. How have they ****ed up "all of London"? I can easily navigate around the capital with no problems. I never use POI's anyway as I've always found them unreliable on any provider, postcode and address lookup is absolutely fine.

What exactly have they ****ed up? Or are you relying on hearsay?

Did you search for London when you first used it? Took me to London, Ontario. I then searched for where I live (Bromley, also South East London). All detail from maps had gone. What was there was wrong (businesses and resturants long since closed down or moved). Now I know where I live, so i dont really need detail here, but I work all over London (and outside). Even Oxford Street had become a morgue. I navigate to meetings by POIs. Christ, some of the railway stations are missing!

Outside of London is even worse, but less of an issue for me as I use a TomTom. Maps on the iPhone was mostly used for navigating on foot, and apple maps isn't anywhere near detailed enough. It's just a really poor offering, less detail, no street view, minor streets and pedestrianised lanes that you use frequently in London on foot gone. Google maps through Safari has no compass, and is a pain.

I know they'll fix it (they have to) and it may well end up being even nicer, but it was an awful load of crap to foist on us as an "upgrade".
 
I live in South East London. How have they ****ed up "all of London"? I can easily navigate around the capital with no problems. I never use POI's anyway as I've always found them unreliable on any provider, postcode and address lookup is absolutely fine.

Are you really sure it is London navigate? Maybe it is one of these other towns that are misplaced a few hundret miles?!
 
I live in South East London. How have they ****ed up "all of London"? I can easily navigate around the capital with no problems. I never use POI's anyway as I've always found them unreliable on any provider, postcode and address lookup is absolutely fine.

What exactly have they ****ed up? Or are you relying on hearsay?
It's the POIs. If you don't use POIs, then you don't have any issues.
 
I live in South East London. How have they ****ed up "all of London"? I can easily navigate around the capital with no problems. I never use POI's anyway as I've always found them unreliable on any provider, postcode and address lookup is absolutely fine.

What exactly have they ****ed up? Or are you relying on hearsay?

POIs are definitely ****ed up. I checked my local area (within zone 1), and found 10 incorrect POIs within 5 minutes walk.

Search doesn't work unless you use addresses or postcodes.

Hard to find tube/overground stops as there is no logic as to when they are being displayed and at what zoom settings. Sometimes you see some stations, but not all. There is no distinction between rail, overground, or underground.

No transit directions. Transit is important for getting around, Apple simply forwards you to another app.
 
It's the POIs. If you don't use POIs, then you don't have any issues.

*lol* last thing I heard when I said "so it is mostly the POIs?" was something like "No everything is ****ed up".

I said it before, this is tiresome, fire up google maps in browser or as webapp and then search your POIs. Sorry, no it can't be that inconveneint, because you need that a hundred times a day.

Streetview: Gone, yeah, bad (for now)
POIs: In Browser or in WebApp
Public transportation: In Browser or in WebApp or with dedicated app
Satellite images: In Browser or in WebApp

Save your time complaining and take it to open one or the other.
 
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POIs are definitely ****ed up. I checked my local area (within zone 1), and found 10 incorrect POIs within 5 minutes walk.

Search doesn't work unless you use addresses or postcodes.

Hard to find tube/overground stops as there is no logic as to when they are being displayed and at what zoom settings. Sometimes you see some stations, but not all. There is no distinction between rail, overground, or underground.

No transit directions. Transit is important for getting around, Apple simply forwards you to another app.

Yeah, see now I wouldn't class that as completely ****ed up. We all know about POI's and Transit directions - both of these are very well publicised issues. Only Google Maps is better in this department. Dedicated satellite navigation applications and devices all have outdated and incomplete POI databases. Its par for the course.

Addresses, postcodes, roads, map tiles etc are all absolutely spot on, therefore not completely ruined.

It won't take long to fix the POI integration issues - transit directions, well, thats another story.

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Did you search for London when you first used it? Took me to London, Ontario. I then searched for where I live (Bromley, also South East London). All detail from maps had gone. What was there was wrong (businesses and resturants long since closed down or moved). Now I know where I live, so i dont really need detail here, but I work all over London (and outside). Even Oxford Street had become a morgue. I navigate to meetings by POIs. Christ, some of the railway stations are missing!

I live in Orpington, and at far out zoom levels, the maps are definitely less detailed, and with lack of colour coding its a little bit confusing, however the road layouts, names, addresses etc are all absolutely fine. We're all aware that the POI database and integration is a heap of crap, but a maps application is a lot more than just POI's.

I know they'll fix it (they have to) and it may well end up being even nicer, but it was an awful load of crap to foist on us as an "upgrade".

Without the public to report issues with the POI's etc, how were Apple supposed to verify all this information before release?

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It's the POIs. If you don't use POIs, then you don't have any issues.

Precisely.
 
I can use Google maps app on IOS 5 for hours without hitting my 25MB day limit.

Wonder how much data Apple maps is going to consume while navigating?
 
Good luck with that if you ever decide to travel outside of your hometown/state.

I think it's fairly obvious he doesn't.

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Hard to find tube/overground stops as there is no logic as to when they are being displayed and at what zoom settings. Sometimes you see some stations, but not all. There is no distinction between rail, overground, or underground.

THIS! This bugs me, and it's not just stations but road numbers and other info. No apparent logic in when they are displayed - just a goddamn mess.
 
My local train station is shown on Apple Maps as a snooker club.

I'm pretty sure that Google know the difference between a train station and a snooker club.
 
Addresses, postcodes, roads, map tiles etc are all absolutely spot on, therefore not completely ruined.

No they are not. There have been plenty of examples of missing roads, disappearing cities and the tiles in my town are all wrong.

It won't take long to fix the POI integration issues - transit directions, well, thats another story.

Yet they haven't come around to this - so it might not be as fixable as you say.

I live in Orpington, and at far out zoom levels, the maps are definitely less detailed, and with lack of colour coding its a little bit confusing, however the road layouts, names, addresses etc are all absolutely fine. We're all aware that the POI database and integration is a heap of crap, but a maps application is a lot more than just POI's.

Oh yes - it's transit directions, traffic overlays and many other things. All of them things missing or broken on Maps. You could argue that Apple Maps lives up to it's name - because it's just maps... even if those are broken beyond belief.

Without the public to report issues with the POI's etc, how were Apple supposed to verify all this information before release?

How did they verify the current ones? And if what You say is true why not put out maps without the POI's (because they couldn't verify them?). And I've said it before... if you want the public to like and update your product, pissing people off isn't a good start. They need a better way of doing this before users find other alternatives.
 
*lol* last thing I heard when I said "so it is mostly the POIs?" was something like "No everything is ****ed up".

I said it before, this is tiresome, fire up google maps in browser or as webapp and then search your POIs. Sorry, no it can't be that inconveneint, because you need that a hundred times a day.

Streetview: Gone, yeah, bad (for now)
POIs: In Browser or in WebApp
Public transportation: In Browser or in WebApp or with dedicated app
Satellite images: In Browser or in WebApp

Save your time complaining and take it to open one or the other.
You're missing the point really. You should be able to ask Siri to "Navigate to Worthing Leisure Centre". It can't, because there are either no POIs, or they're in the wrong place.
 
You're missing the point really. You should be able to ask Siri to "Navigate to Worthing Leisure Centre". It can't, because there are either no POIs, or they're in the wrong place.

Yeah, maybe I am not, but I don't keep whining about it.

I try to look for alternatives. I didn't need but I looked for an alternative for public transport and I instantly found one that is much better than google maps.

If I asked Siri to get me to Heide-Center, which is where I live, I sure would get a meaningful response as Apple Maps (nor Google Maps) knows it. What I know is, if Apple stayed with Google maps, there would be no Siri integration nor navigation at all (because navigation means turn by turn for me).

My life is already enhanced by spending less time in traffic jam everyday, that is so much more important to me than being able to ask Siri to navigate me to my workplace.
 
I said it before, this is tiresome, fire up google maps in browser or as webapp and then search your POIs. Sorry, no it can't be that inconveneint, because you need that a hundred times a day.

Schedule a meeting "somewhere" - doesn't work very well.
Set a presence reminder - doesn't work very well.
The brand new "post to facebook" don't know any locations - doesn't work very well.
Passbook don't know any locations - doesn't work very well.
Apps using Apple Maps as the engine - doesn't work very well.

How will my webapp change this? No? Didn't think so...
 
No they are not. There have been plenty of examples of missing roads, disappearing cities and the tiles in my town are all wrong.

Plenty of examples? I've seen two or three, at most. Labelling is slightly dodgy but for the most part its absolutely fine.

Missing / mislabelled cities - again, a nice quick fix. Having said that, Doncaster is spelt Duncaster in the UK. I can still type in Plunket Road, Doncaster and get directed to the right place. I type in Bull Street, Stratford-upon-avon and get directed to the right place. Apparently, Stratford-Upon-Avon doesn't exist!

Directions and labels DO work.

Again, people just forget the past. It was only the start of THIS YEAR that Swindon was completely missing from Google Maps...



Yet they haven't come around to this - so it might not be as fixable as you say.

You expect them to have corrected all those POI's in the space of two weeks?



Oh yes - it's transit directions, traffic overlays and many other things. All of them things missing or broken on Maps. You could argue that Apple Maps lives up to it's name - because it's just maps... even if those are broken beyond belief.

What "other things", and what's wrong with the traffic overlays? It accurately displays the traffic in the whole country.


How did they verify the current ones? And if what You say is true why not put out maps without the POI's (because they couldn't verify them?). And I've said it before... if you want the public to like and update your product, pissing people off isn't a good start. They need a better way of doing this before users find other alternatives.

So what do you suggest? Give Apple Maps alongside Google Maps? How exactly would that help Apple complete their databases?

What people would do, its obvious. Oh, this doesn't appear on Apple's maps, lets try it on Google. Yeah that works, this is where we're going. Where is Apple going to get that error reported to them? They won't. You'll get a select few people reporting errors rather than the majority.

Saying all this, I prefer Google Maps - I just think that Apple are facing far too much stick over all this. It just needs improvement, its not total crap.
 
LOL at EVERYONE defending Apple Maps. You've read the posts here from people having problems with the software, myself included.

When it's not working properly for such a large number of people around the world there is nothing to defend here. Apple screwed up large, period.

Apple maps is pathetic, Google was leaps and bounds better, that's my experience and I'm rightfully pissed off as are many others who are having problems with Apple maps. It's not even ready for beta, imo.
 
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