Wow. Apple Maps is a disaster.

[dv8r]

I know I'm chiming in late...

Yes, the pin for that exact name came up wrong, but that is due to user supplied information (which is why it says approximate location). Not trying to defend it, but, Apple's fault for using info from Yelp or some other source. This is definitely where Google has a short term edge. Google Maps was no different and user input is what fixed their same exact problems. No...it will not take seven years. Google was at a disadvantage because they were introducing a mapping program with user input as well as MANY poi's when the alternatives out there (Yahoo, MapQuest, etc.) were just focused on routing to addresses.

Due to user supplied information? Get real...

Search any other combination and it either comes up empty or put's you in the wrong location. This has nothing to do with Yelp (why the **** would you have a hospital entry in Yelp?)

It has also been said before, in this very thread, that the search function in Maps is useless because You either write the one PRECISE entry it has or don't find anything. So it's not even context aware - which is why people get POI's in different cities and/or countries.

The listing Apple has there is partially correct as the hospital is part of the university...again, user input or source data is missing the key words; "hospital" or "Skejby Sygehus."

You are not trying to defend it - but it's "partially correct"?

No, it's plain wrong - get this in Your head: IT ISN'T ON THE MAP. A hospital is clearly marked by a red color (You can see an example on this in the picture), this is from the basic map information (as are parks, graveyards and other area outline graphics), this has nothing to do with POI's. Apple Maps doesn't show any buildings (even though they were built in 1988) and no red color indicating a hospital. This is basic information missing from the Apple Maps information, not Yelp.

...and the University is downtown - 4-5 miles away...

Once again for those who are too lazy to read my posts....I'm not saying these issues don't exist. My problem is with people whining about problems without giving specifics so others can verify or see if those same types of issues exist elsewhere.

But see what happened - I gave You specific information and yet You still try to make up stupid excuses, so again the questions is very relevant: Are You trolling?

And 50 yards is not even close to being a mile...even in mapping, that one falls into the "close enough" category....should be fixed, but a mile is a mile and is a perfect example of the over exaggeration present in many of these posts.

Yeah people exaggerate waaaay too much - here's a stellar idea! Let's have Apple Maps route that for us shall we? From "Skejby Sygehus" to the actual spot:

Let me help You with the imperial measurements: 22,8 km is 14,16 miles.

...let's not even get into them not being able to spell Aarhus...

 

[faroZ06]

+1 if Apple Maps is fine for you

 

[cyks]

+1 if Apple Maps is fine for you

Be happy they removed the down vote for all those it doesn't work for.

 

[faroZ06]

Be happy they removed the down vote for all those it doesn't work for.

Actually, it would allow me to conduct a quick poll if they still had the downvote button. I don't care about having the top comment.

 

[MozMan68]

Due to user supplied information? Get real...

Search any other combination and it either comes up empty or put's you in the wrong location. This has nothing to do with Yelp (why the **** would you have a hospital entry in Yelp?)

It has also been said before, in this very thread, that the search function in Maps is useless because You either write the one PRECISE entry it has or don't find anything. So it's not even context aware - which is why people get POI's in different cities and/or countries.



You are not trying to defend it - but it's "partially correct"?

No, it's plain wrong - get this in Your head: IT ISN'T ON THE MAP. A hospital is clearly marked by a red color (You can see an example on this in the picture), this is from the basic map information (as are parks, graveyards and other area outline graphics), this has nothing to do with POI's. Apple Maps doesn't show any buildings (even though they were built in 1988) and no red color indicating a hospital. This is basic information missing from the Apple Maps information, not Yelp.

...and the University is downtown - 4-5 miles away...

But see what happened - I gave You specific information and yet You still try to make up stupid excuses, so again the questions is very relevant: Are You trolling?



Yeah people exaggerate waaaay too much - here's a stellar idea! Let's have Apple Maps route that for us shall we? From "Skejby Sygehus" to the actual spot:

Let me help You with the imperial measurements: 22,8 km is 14,16 miles.

...let's not even get into them not being able to spell Aarhus...

Wow...I thought I agreed with everything you said and you still rip me to shreds...I'm simply trying to understand why the poi is that far away and says "approximate location." That has traditionally been an indication of a user submitted poi and not one from a professional database.

If you are saying that the particular hospital you mentioned is NOT part of the University, I guess I'll have to take your word at it...but this link says otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skejby_Sygehus

I don't read Dutch, but even the official website that comes up for the hospital says University all over it.

My point was that the poi WAS incorrect in description only. If the word "hospital" was in there, the poi graphic would most likely be correct and the map marked as such. Again, we have seen this kind of error with gas companies marked as gas stations....YES..IT IS AN ERROR...I SAID THAT IN MY POST.

The 50 yard comment was in response to the earlier post, not yours. The spot located in Bethesda was no more than 50 yards, 150 feet, .028 miles...however you want to say it. 3/10 of a mile is not a mile by a long shot. Was an over exaggeration by the poster in the link.

 

[patent10021]

Apple has definitely been working hard on this because two weeks ago my mum's business wasn't on it. I added her business via submit problem function and now it's on there.

BUT I am wondering if this is a coincidence because she is listed but it is the original older contact info from when I registered her on Google Maps and local business directory NOT the newer info I submitted two weeks ago.

That means either way they're doing something over at Apple. I just don't know what it would be lol

Can you explain this? Maybe my submission prompted them to look into it and they subsequently registered the older info since it was registered with Google business and all that stuff before (a legal registration per se). The contact info I submitted via iOS 6 Maps is just a user generated submission not an official registration so maybe that's why they went with the previous contact info?

 

[viewfly]

Apple has definitely been working hard on this because two weeks ago my mum's business wasn't on it. I added her business via submit problem function and now it's on there.

BUT I am wondering if this is a coincidence because she is listed but it is the original older contact info from when I registered her on Google Maps and local business directory NOT the newer info I submitted two weeks ago.

That means either way they're doing something over at Apple. I just don't know what it would be lol

Can you explain this? Maybe my submission prompted them to look into it and they subsequently registered the older info since it was registered with Google business and all that stuff before (a legal registration per se). The contact info I submitted via iOS 6 Maps is just a user generated submission not an official registration so maybe that's why they went with the previous contact info?

Yeah, me too. I submitted 2 restaurants and a hotel that were located incorrectly on the map (although the address was right and if typed in as just an address, a pin would drop in the right place).

All three have been corrected. Some I submitted via Yelp, others to Apple.

Some things are moving.

 

[PDE]

I don't read Dutch, but even the official website that comes up for the hospital says University all over it.

Danish...

Also, as I understand it, a previous screenshot in this thread shows Aarhus University at the site of the hospital. The hospital is Aarhus University Hospital, not Aarhus University.

 

[MozMan68]

Danish...

Also, as I understand it, a previous screenshot in this thread shows Aarhus University at the site of the hospital. The hospital is Aarhus University Hospital, not Aarhus University.

Hah...I was channeling Austin Powers...I don't speak freaky Dutch....

Yes...that was my point...add the word "hospital" in there and I wonder what would show up. I was pretty clear about that in my original post, but some people refuse to read when I am actually agreeing with them that it is incorrect.

Now watch...someone will quote what I just wrote above and go, "And how do you explain it being located being 100km away!" obviously referring to the other incorrect poi which I also mention in my earlier post.

 

[Kukulcan]

BUT I am wondering if this is a coincidence because she is listed but it is the original older contact info from when I registered her on Google Maps and local business directory NOT the newer info I submitted two weeks ago.

That is the same experience I made. I submitted some changes and "coincidentally" they popped up but not with the info I entered.

Probably they check the changes you submit and compare them with entries that already exist on Yelp or some other source they use. So they know something has happened but they don't need to rely on us as "source with unknown reliabity".

But strange stuff is happening, I removed a hairstylist that is no more and now it has the pharmacy in the same house but with hairdresser icon. A supermarket I changed the info for now has the new info when zoomed in, but magically changes to the old info when zoomed out.

Meanwhile I continue to use Maps for TBT every day with perfect results, I even started to navigate to locations I found by searching a company name, even if they are not shown on the map.

But thumbs up for this thread still going strong with mostly the same people still complaining.

 

[OllyW]

But thumbs up for this thread still going strong with mostly the same people still complaining.

And mostly the same people still saying it's not too bad.

 

[annaharris]

Its not like Apple maps should be perfect in all sense but they are just out beta version of it. Being a developers, we should support them that they accept their mistakes and trying to resolve this all errors soon.

 

[dv8r]

Wow...I thought I agreed with everything you said and you still rip me to shreds...I'm simply trying to understand why the poi is that far away and says "approximate location." That has traditionally been an indication of a user submitted poi and not one from a professional database.

Pretty hard to see when You read the next couple of lines in Your reply: "My problem is with people whining about problems without giving specifics so others can verify or see if those same types of issues exist elsewhere."

We don't have to agree on Apple Maps being a turd or not - I'm perfectly fine with You having a different opinion. What I can't stand is people dumping in here saying "it works for me, stop whining, you are using it the wrong way"

The "approximate location" thing just seems to be a default of Apple Maps, if it can't find it's way it tries to dump you somewhere near, in this case the nearest result was "Solbjerg" near Aarhus - why it does that, I cannot say - it may be because it begins with an 'S' also. It's a result of bad maps and an even worse implementation of context based search - nothing else.

If you are saying that the particular hospital you mentioned is NOT part of the University, I guess I'll have to take your word at it...but this link says otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skejby_Sygehus

I don't read Dutch, but even the official website that comes up for the hospital says University all over it.

No, I'm saying that the University is 4-5 miles away, downtown. As You can clearly see on the picture it says that it's "Aarhus University" and the POI is indicating a school/college/university. The general POI being wrong is one thing (and something I guess they should be able to fix, but apparently aren't) - the area-outline is missing as well as the correct POI.

My point was that the poi WAS incorrect in description only. If the word "hospital" was in there, the poi graphic would most likely be correct and the map marked as such. Again, we have seen this kind of error with gas companies marked as gas stations....YES..IT IS AN ERROR...I SAID THAT IN MY POST.

No, the error is that the map outline is missing from the general maps layer. Searching "Aarhus Universitetssygehus" (Aarhus University Hospital) will put you on the doorstep of a closed hospital downtown. This is also wrong because the real/original "University Hospital" is (cleverly) placed right next to the University itself - this Hospital though, is also mislabeled, this time it has the name of the former Hospital (the one that comes up as Aarhus University Hospital), that's now being closed.

Essentially - it's a ****ing mess in Apple Maps.

We can argue about wrong POIs from here to eternity - I can find 1000+ examples of that in my city alone. This debate was whether the underlying maps themselves were wrong/bad/outdated, and I've supplied You with an example that shows they are. And I have a bunch of these examples...

 

[MozMan68]

Pretty hard to see when You read the next couple of lines in Your reply: "My problem is with people whining about problems without giving specifics so others can verify or see if those same types of issues exist elsewhere."

We don't have to agree on Apple Maps being a turd or not - I'm perfectly fine with You having a different opinion. What I can't stand is people dumping in here saying "it works for me, stop whining, you are using it the wrong way"

The "approximate location" thing just seems to be a default of Apple Maps, if it can't find it's way it tries to dump you somewhere near, in this case the nearest result was "Solbjerg" near Aarhus - why it does that, I cannot say - it may be because it begins with an 'S' also. It's a result of bad maps and an even worse implementation of context based search - nothing else.



No, I'm saying that the University is 4-5 miles away, downtown. As You can clearly see on the picture it says that it's "Aarhus University" and the POI is indicating a school/college/university. The general POI being wrong is one thing (and something I guess they should be able to fix, but apparently aren't) - the area-outline is missing as well as the correct POI.



No, the error is that the map outline is missing from the general maps layer. Searching "Aarhus Universitetssygehus" (Aarhus University Hospital) will put you on the doorstep of a closed hospital downtown. This is also wrong because the real/original "University Hospital" is (cleverly) placed right next to the University itself - this Hospital though, is also mislabeled, this time it has the name of the former Hospital (the one that comes up as Aarhus University Hospital), that's now being closed.

Essentially - it's a ****ing mess in Apple Maps.

We can argue about wrong POIs from here to eternity - I can find 1000+ examples of that in my city alone. This debate was whether the underlying maps themselves were wrong/bad/outdated, and I've supplied You with an example that shows they are. And I have a bunch of these examples...

Right...and if you read my responses, I totally agree with everything you said. I guess I'm trying to understand the poi errors and how or why they occur.

Why to gas companies (offices) get the gas station symbol? Is it automatically applied based on the poi name?

 

[bluedoggiant]

This thread must die. Whose with me?

 

[cyks]

This thread must die. Whose with me?

Sure, just as soon as Apple fixes the map issues.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

I find it hard to believe that the iMore/451 survey did the same thing (meaning: got a plausible representation of iPhone users)

Anyone who has done any work with surveys or research can immediately spot the problems with the one in question.

The most important one, as you mentioned, is 'selection bias'.

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Define "objective" data?

Hahaha. Perfect!

 

[cyks]

Its not like Apple maps should be perfect in all sense but they are just out beta version of it. Being a developers, we should support them that they accept their mistakes and trying to resolve this all errors soon.

...and, while supporting them and waiting, we should just be happy, hold hands, and ignore the working maps and features they removed in the process? No thanks.

They knew what state the maps were in as they had been warned by many developers and beta testers of iOS6, but they pushed them as the greatest thing ever anyway.

Here it is, a month later, and, while some fixes have been made, they're few and far between.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Good of you to keep this wonderfully entertaining thread alive!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Looking forward to hearing how Bethesda goes for you!

Don't get lost!

He can't get lost. Apple Maps is never wrong. It's the buildings, roads and POI that are in the wrong place, not him!


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Both Apple and Goggle show the same exact location...are they both wrong?

Edit: Sorry..Apple may show the address less than 50 yards south of the entrance to the complex?

I just measured it (That function exists on Android) and its about 175 yards away and next to the entrance of the completely wrong building.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

This? Not sure it is right as Google maps tried to take me to two unrelated hospitals.

This is a flat out lie.

Searching Google Maps for "Wordsley Hospital Stourbridge" gives two points on interest which are BUS stops on either side of the road...they have presumably retained their name even though the hospital has gone.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Words...ourbridge,+West+Midlands,+United+Kingdom&z=18

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thanks. If I had read the page before I could have not wasted part of my life

Or (more importantly) ours..

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Once again for those who are too lazy to read my posts....I'm not saying these issues don't exist. My problem is with people whining about problems without giving specifics so others can verify or see if those same types of issues exist elsewhere.

And then every time some does show you a problem you deflect it or minimise it.

And 50 yards is not even close to being a mile...even in mapping,

It was 175 yards and on the wrong building and thats not counting how far you have to backtrack... that looked like a divided road.

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If you are saying that the particular hospital you mentioned is NOT part of the University, I guess I'll have to take your word at it...but this link says otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skejby_Sygehus

I don't read Dutch, but even the official website that comes up for the hospital says University all over it.

OMG...
Do you understand that a hospital can be associated with a university without being geographically located near it?

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Its not like Apple maps should be perfect in all sense but they are just out beta version of it. Being a developers, we should support them that they accept their mistakes and trying to resolve this all errors soon.

Sorry, but mapping is an all or nothing type thing. Defending Apple Maps is like defending condoms that only have a few holes in them.

 

[Kukulcan]

And mostly the same people still saying it's not too bad.

But I didn't say it isn't.

Anyway, it misses an important feature, the "remind me to use maps even if I know the route perfectly".

Today for the first time I didn't use maps, as we have holidays and streets are pretty empty. Big mistake, took me an hour instead of 20 minutes because of a a car accident on the shorter route.

 

[majuha]

Sorry, but mapping is an all or nothing type thing. Defending Apple Maps is like defending condoms that only have a few holes in them.

Depends. In my case, I haven't experienced any problems at all with Maps. Why should I complain about it then?

 

[bripab007]

Whoops, wrong door...Oh, hi, everyone...oh, wow, this thread is still going, huh?

 

[dv8r]

Whoops, wrong door...Oh, hi, everyone...oh, wow, this thread is still going, huh?

...You said, thereby bumping the thread

 

[smellysox8]

But I didn't say it isn't.

Anyway, it misses an important feature, the "remind me to use maps even if I know the route perfectly".

Today for the first time I didn't use maps, as we have holidays and streets are pretty empty. Big mistake, took me an hour instead of 20 minutes because of a a car accident on the shorter route.

Android and Google now has that feature.