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Wow. Apple Maps is a disaster.

It does and its pretty impressive. Goes out as far as Clydebank in the West and Mount Vernon in the East. A lot lot more than just the city centre, which is what I was expecting.

Here's hoping they are starting to get their act together with this.
 
Let's take a look at the same area in the Maps app and in the Yelp app:

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Seems like some kind of disaster wiped away all the POIs - restaurants, shops, everything.

Certainly, the 3D flyovers are nice, but there are still some basic things Apple maps are obviously lacking... 🙄
 
g-7 said:
Let's take a look at the same area in the Maps app and in the Yelp app:

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Seems like some kind of disaster wiped away all the POIs - restaurants, shops, everything.

Certainly, the 3D flyovers are nice, but there are still some basic things Apple maps are obviously lacking... 🙄
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This is what doesn't make sense. Apple's maps are supposedly hooked up to yelp for POI's but they don't seem to be fully there. It may not be yelps fault, it may not be apples fault, we don't know.
 
PhoneandPad said:
I have an iPhone 4. We're I to upgrade the iOS 6 I would not get turn by turn with voice - that's blocked by Apple as part of its obsolete-your-hardware policy.
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Shame on you for not upgrading your device every 18-24 months. And then you go and complain about obsolescence as if it were Apple's fault!

You need to go away and have a long hard think about whether you deserve to own an iPhone.
 
Apple maps fail. Used the nav for walking but couldn't start it because it can't tell I'm on the sidewalk.

Never had this issue with google maps
 
shandyman said:
This is what doesn't make sense. Apple's maps are supposedly hooked up to yelp for POI's but they don't seem to be fully there. It may not be yelps fault, it may not be apples fault, we don't know.
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It's not appropriate to draw each and every POI on a Map. What Apple need to do is identify the most significant and popular locations and draw those. Certainly when Apple Maps was first released, there were many random, unheard-of businesses appearing - often in preferences to major locations and culturally significant landmarks.

Google can do this because they can figure out how important a location is based on how many people search for it and how many references there are to it on the web. It's not clear how good Yelp's are at this.
 
Reason077 said:
It's not appropriate to draw each and every POI on a Map. What Apple need to do is identify the most significant and popular locations and draw those. Certainly when Apple Maps was first released, there were many random, unheard-of businesses appearing - often in preferences to major locations and culturally significant landmarks.

Google can do this because they can figure out how important a location is based on how many people search for it and how many references there are to it on the web. It's not clear how good Yelp's are at this.
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It's real clear, Yelp is crap.
 
shandyman said:
It may not be yelps fault, it may not be apples fault, we don't know.
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Sure we do, it's Apple's.

As I've written in the past, if I go to a restaurant and the steak is tough, I don't blame the farmer.

It doesn't matter who's at fault for the crappy data, we pay Apple and they're the ones delivering it to us.
 
Reason077 said:
It's not appropriate to draw each and every POI on a Map. What Apple need to do is identify the most significant and popular locations and draw those. Certainly when Apple Maps was first released, there were many random, unheard-of businesses appearing - often in preferences to major locations and culturally significant landmarks.

Google can do this because they can figure out how important a location is based on how many people search for it and how many references there are to it on the web. It's not clear how good Yelp's are at this.
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It's not just about drawing them on the map, it's the fact they don't come up in the search, either on the map or on Siri... Siri claims the nearest pub is about 3 miles away based on its connection to Yelp, but the yelp app itself shows about 4 within 1 mile...

cyks said:
Sure we do, it's Apple's.

As I've written in the past, if I go to a restaurant and the steak is tough, I don't blame the farmer.

It doesn't matter who's at fault for the crappy data, we pay Apple and they're the ones delivering it to us.
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Not necessarily. Yelp maybe limiting apples access to their data. If that's the case, how can it be apples fault? Your steak analogy is crap and irrelevant.
 
shandyman said:
Not necessarily. Yelp maybe limiting apples access to their data. If that's the case, how can it be apples fault? Your steak analogy is crap and irrelevant.
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If it's Yelp limiting access, then Apple should have gone with a different vendor or figured out a better solution before forcing us into its current system.

There are other companies out there than just Yelp and Tom Tom.
 
shandyman said:
Not necessarily. Yelp maybe limiting apples access to their data. If that's the case, how can it be apples fault? Your steak analogy is crap and irrelevant.
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Apple will have a contract with Yelp that specifies what data Apple gets, how comprehensive it is, how often it is updated, etc. Perhaps the contract states they only get access to a limited set of data, or perhaps there's a technical problem that means they aren't getting all the data. If it's a technical issue, then it'd be unlikely to be on Yelp's side - if they weren't delivering what they promised then they wouldn't be getting paid.
 
Reason077 said:
Apple will have a contract with Yelp that specifies what data Apple gets, how comprehensive it is, how often it is updated, etc. Perhaps the contract states they only get access to a limited set of data, or perhaps there's a technical problem that means they aren't getting all the data. If it's a technical issue, then it'd be unlikely to be on Yelp's side - if they weren't delivering what they promised then they wouldn't be getting paid.
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The point above was that, if only a limited set of data being available from the vendor (Yelp), Apple should have selected another vendor (not Yelp).
 
cyks said:
If it's Yelp limiting access, then Apple should have gone with a different vendor or figured out a better solution before forcing us into its current system.

There are other companies out there than just Yelp and Tom Tom.
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Reason077 said:
Apple will have a contract with Yelp that specifies what data Apple gets, how comprehensive it is, how often it is updated, etc. Perhaps the contract states they only get access to a limited set of data, or perhaps there's a technical problem that means they aren't getting all the data. If it's a technical issue, then it'd be unlikely to be on Yelp's side - if they weren't delivering what they promised then they wouldn't be getting paid.
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My point is that we do not know who, what, where or why, so it is just speculation and may not be straightforward.
 
Radio said:
Apple maps fail. Used the nav for walking but couldn't start it because it can't tell I'm on the sidewalk.

Never had this issue with google maps
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Did you try standing in the middle of the road? 😛

It does seem to be a issue, it won't start from within a building.
 
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Idefix said:
Makes you sound rather silly and bone-headed, when you join a thread and haven't read anything that comes before?

To recap: If Apple Maps is so perfect, how come Tim Cook himself had to issue and personally sign an abject apology for how bad it is? And then had to personally suggest that everyone use other maps until it gets better? Did you read how much flak Cook got for acknowledging how bad Maps is? Cook knew he'd get loads of criticism (and all the comparisons to Steve Jobs) but Maps is so very, very bad, he had to issue the apology.

And Apple Maps is one of the main reasons that Forstall was forced to quit!

And then, all the turmoil and bad publicity led to a very bad stock collapse!
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He did this for Cry-baby's such as you that have nothing better to do then complain.... And also because Scott Forstall ruined Apple's close-to-perfect tract record (in recent years) of doing things right the first time. Scott Forstall got the boot because he thought he was the second coming of Steve Jobs...

You should focus more of your attention on how crappy applications are on Android instead of bashing Apple Products and claiming to be a fan-boy at the same time.

Nobody likes a flip-flopper.....
 
Reason077 said:
Shame on you for not upgrading your device every 18-24 months. And then you go and complain about obsolescence as if it were Apple's fault!

You need to go away and have a long hard think about whether you deserve to own an iPhone.
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I know you're joking but for more effect you might need to bring that upgrade period down closer to 12 months- the iPhone 4 was still the latest iPhone not much more than a year ago! (And it was less than a year at the point iOS 6 was released... Alas...)
 
snappyfool said:
I know you're joking but for more effect you might need to bring that upgrade period down closer to 12 months- the iPhone 4 was still the latest iPhone not much more than a year ago! (And it was less than a year at the point iOS 6 was released... Alas...)
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Actually, he is right...the 18-24 month range seems to be the breaking point between full functioning software and hardware powerful enough to utilize it.
 
MozMan68 said:
Actually, he is right...the 18-24 month range seems to be the breaking point between full functioning software and hardware powerful enough to utilize it.
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sorry, don't want to get bogged down in pedantism, but i/we were talking about the time between upgrades, not the age of the hardware. my point being someone could have upgraded to the latest iPhone 12 months prior to the release of iOS 6 and have an iPhone 4 that now doesn't benefit from the full features of iOS (or indeed of iOS 5 released not long after the upgrade...) 🙂

ciao!
 
Heb 7:4 said:
Yelp is also not used in a lot of countries. I have read about their business practises in the US, and frankly have no wish to help them grow in the UK.
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Yelp is, basically, a failure outside of the US - http://ben-evans.com/why-hasnt-yelp-worked-outside-the-usa.

So making them such a key data partner when they demonstrably do not have very good data where you sell the majority of your products was stupid.

And doing a really bad job importing their poor quality data was even more stupid.
 
snappyfool said:
sorry, don't want to get bogged down in pedantism, but i/we were talking about the time between upgrades, not the age of the hardware. my point being someone could have upgraded to the latest iPhone 12 months prior to the release of iOS 6 and have an iPhone 4 that now doesn't benefit from the full features of iOS (or indeed of iOS 5 released not long after the upgrade...) 🙂

ciao!
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I don't want to get bogged down either...but you're wrong...😛

I bought my iPhone 4 (and my wife's) shortly after it was introduced...June 2010. Yes...it was that long ago. iPhone 4S was 16 months after that...5 (and ios 6) was 11 months after that...

The iPhone 4...2 years old...runs iOS 6 smoothly for me, but also lacks Siri and turn by turn (automatic)...but the phone is extremely smooth and usable.

I bought a 5 because I had to ( old company owned my 4), but I have been able to skip over the "in between" phone releases without issue...you don't HAVE to upgrade the hardware every year simply because Apple offers a new device...even they have realized it is better to spread it out and keep people hooked in to the architecture longer so they are more likely to stay with them in the long run.
 
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