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iPod touch Wow........Apple totally failed this one

palpatine said:
anyhow, the ipod 4g is a great device. i love it. but, i think we are seeing the end of an era. the ipod touch is sliding away into irrelevance...
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I could not agree more. The more smartphones become the norm (as opposed to people still using flip/dumb/feature phones, the less need there is for a product like the touch. It was introduced at a time where smartphones/iPhones were the exception, not the rule. Not everyone wanted or could afford the iPhone, so the Touch was a nice offering to those people. Things have changed. Smartphones are cheaper, the 3GS is free. The fact that they didn't do a thing to update the Touch speaks loud and clear they don't really care much about it anymore. And I don't fault them for that. Time marches on. They might keep it around for a few years, like the Classic, but don't expect them to put much into it from here on out.

Make no mistake, they want a much wider market saturation with the iPhone. That's why they are now on all three major US carriers and are offering up three different models.
 
not upgrading the camera and adding 3G has made the device a niche product and smacks of protecting the goose that lays the golden eggs (iPhone). iTouch fanatics have every right to feel let down. More so that iPhone 5ers
 
They screwed up due to greed.

They forgot that they make a ton of income from us in terms of appstore and itunes purchases.

They wanted us to upgrade to an iPhone, but they're wrong. They'll piss off a lot iTouchers who will just switch to android just to spite Apple.
 
The iPhone is now available without a contract. Without a contract would it work the same way as the Touch? If it does, there is no longer a need for an iPod touch. Just get an iPhone off-contract.
 
SHirsch999 said:
The iPhone is now available without a contract. Without a contract would it work the same way as the Touch? If it does, there is no longer a need for an iPod touch. Just get an iPhone off-contract.
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Massive price difference
 
iDave said:
Massive price difference
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This is likely the reason why the Touch was not completely discontinued. This gives the option for a number of devices with similar features as the Touch, plus some improvements that you need to pay extra for. You now have the regular iPod Touch 4g, the unlocked iPhone 4 (GPS, better screen, etc), and soon the unlocked iPhone 4S (A5 processor, Siri, etc). it will be up to you to decide if these features are worth paying for or if you prefer to stay with the generic iPod Touch features.
 
BlizzardBolt said:
Barely anything for the iPod touch except color white.
Not even a camera to replace the 0.7MP one :(

its like Apple didnt even try this year, this event was absolutely horrendous :mad:
As for the other ipods, no updates to classic or click wheel for nano and shuffle remained the same. It may be just be coincidental but since Jobs resigned Apple is starting to look bad.
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YES it would have been nice to get new hardware BUT what good is it if you don't have new features. Siri, iPhone messaging, HD video for the 4s, Cards to make it easier for everyone, etc. Were all amazing updates.

I'd rather have a software update than to flash a new phone around and have the feeling wear off after a day. Apple is more "form follows function" just like BMW.
 
BlizzardBolt said:
Really?

It takes a year to have a white option?

It takes a year to drop price to 199$?

Read what you wrote, if you actually think that 1 year is needed for this, you do not work efficiently then.
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Apple updates their products on a schedule, so they could have come up with both those options a day after the previous generation was released and still have no good reason to start selling them.

Also, sourcing and testing several million parts of a different colour is a bit more work that you think.

Also, it takes zero time to drop the price to $199, but pricing is strategic, time-dependent, and based on more factors than changing the number in the on-line store. Otherwise the first iPod could have been $2.99.

Also, if you think Apple should spend time working on and releasing updates when the current model is the best way for them to maximize profit then you are the one who does not work efficiently.
 
Carouser said:
Apple updates their products on a schedule, so they could have come up with both those options a day after the previous generation was released and still have no good reason to start selling them.

Also, sourcing and testing several million parts of a different colour is a bit more work that you think.

Also, it takes zero time to drop the price to $199, but pricing is strategic, time-dependent, and based on more factors than changing the number in the on-line store. Otherwise the first iPod could have been $2.99.

Also, if you think Apple should spend time working on and releasing updates when the current model is the best way for them to maximize profit then you are the one who does not work efficiently.
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Incorrect, it was only hard for a new color since they were adding white to the iPhone4. Months after a white iphone4, a new color is a breeze as all of the camera problems are fixed.

Don't over exaggerate the importance of setting pricepoints. keep in mind that in 2009 8GB was pushed down to 199 before rising up to 229. This year the 8GB dropped to 199. This strategic pricing does not take much thinking, >dropping lowest model to attract customers

After all they are repeating a price drop from 2009, that isn't hard

The current model IS NOT there best way to maximize profit as there is NO incentive for people with older generations (4g) to upgrade. They didn't even attempt to add at least a bit of updates like the 3G 32GB and 64GB.

By not doing this, no one in the right mindset would buy the 2011 ipod touch if they had the last generation.

All of your assumptions are not correct, Apple knows what they are doing, it does not take one year for white or 199 to happen. I can't believe some people either aren't thinking or just follow Apple blindly to able to justify this model.

Only logical theory is that the iPod touch (sadly) is slowly going to fade and will be discontinued in the near future.
 
BlizzardBolt said:
Really?

It takes a year to have a white option?

It takes a year to drop price to 199$?

Read what you wrote, if you actually think that 1 year is needed for this, you do not work efficiently then.
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Your proving yourself wrong it doesn't take a year to decide these things so if Apple were going to change anything about the Touch it would have been decided along time ago. They didn't wait until August this year and then say "Holy crap we haven't decided what to do about the Ipod Touch". The decision to only release a white version and produce no further update would have been made along time ago.
 
stevebubble said:
Your proving yourself wrong it doesn't take a year to decide these things so if Apple were going to change anything about the Touch it would have been decided along time ago. They didn't wait until August this year and then say "Holy crap we haven't decided what to do about the Ipod Touch". The decision to only release a white version and produce no further update would have been made along time ago.
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Those are rhetorical questions directed towards another user.

Maybe this would help you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

Close but no cigar, I was not wrong.
 
BlizzardBolt said:
Those are rhetorical questions directed towards another user.

Maybe this would help you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

Close but no cigar, I was not wrong.
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I know full well what a rhetorical question is but as your response is to this

Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself. The products announced today have been in the works for a year or more. These are Jobs products as are most of what's in their pipeline.

How is your supposed rhetorical question relevant. The point is that the decision to only produce a white Ipod and not update it WOULD have been taken when Steve Jobs was still in charge!

And the fact that you replied to this thread within a minute shows you have nothing to do with your sad little life than be a sad little fan boy monitoring your threads on macrumors!

Yes i realise the irony that i have replied within a minute or two of your reply but im just drunk and have nothing better to do.

And as we're posting irrelevant links to wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabbage_Patch_Kids
 
stevebubble said:
I know full well what a rhetorical question is but as your response is to this

Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself. The products announced today have been in the works for a year or more. These are Jobs products as are most of what's in their pipeline.

How is your supposed rhetorical question relevant. The point is that the decision to only produce a white Ipod and not update it WOULD have been taken when Steve Jobs was still in charge!

And the fact that you replied to this thread within a minute shows you have nothing to do with your sad little life than be a sad little fan boy monitoring your threads on macrumors!

Yes i realise the irony that i have replied within a minute or two of your reply but im just drunk and have nothing better to do.

And as we're posting irrelevant links to wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabbage_Patch_Kids
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I am a fanboy? I am typing this on Windows XP...yeah I am a apple fanboy

Don't be a hypocrite I was replying to a different quote, went to check iPhone sub forum and you posted. As a matter of fact, you are replying in minutes to my post.

Resorting to low level insults because your statement was convoluted is not the way to go.

Please don't embarrass yourself, you have no access to Apple's database or their interior plans or device designs. They could have been focusing on iPhone4s the whole time, no one except for them knows.
 
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Anyone who says the iPhone is the same price as the iPod touch is lying. Here in Australia the cheapest iPhone I have ever seen is $450!!! And that's the 3GS which our carriers are now trying to clear out. An unlocked iPhone 4S will set you back $800 and if you take a contract you are looking at $60 a month.

Americans may get a better deal but globally I bet there's a lot of countries like Australia where the iPod touch is a very attractive price compared to the iPhone.
 
BlizzardBolt said:
I am a fanboy? I am typing this on Windows XP...yeah I am a apple fanboy

Don't be a hypocrite I was replying to a different quote, went to check iPhone sub forum and you posted. As a matter of fact, you are replying in minutes to my post.

Resorting to low level insults because your statement was convoluted is not the way to go.

Please don't embarrass yourself, you have no access to Apple's database or their interior plans or device designs. They could have been focusing on iPhone4s the whole time, no one except for them knows.
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Hey thats my brother not me and the post i quoted was the 3rd post in this entire thread. You made the first post, the guy who told you not to embarrass yourself was the second post and the post I quoted was the 3rd post in this thread so there is no one else you could have been replying too.

I already admitted the irony in replying to your post within minutes so there is no point even mentioning that.
 
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Apple totally failed

Ok, so which pocket sized hand held computer for only $200 are you going to buy because they kept the one that works great the same?

Until there is a product about to approach or beat the current iTouch any changes are going to be minimal at best. You can bet that Apple does have the next killer iTouch generation all set to go, and when their market share is threatened it will hit the market in a heart beat. These guys know what they are doing and are not going to reveal their hand until necessary. That's just good business. Want to dump your apple OS out of spite I hear that you can pick up a Zune at a great fire sale price.

To those complaining that they want to push you to an iPhone let me pose this question, if your carrying a cell phone and an iTouch after October 14 you either are with T-Mobile or locked iinto a contract you can't break, right? Otherwise why wouldn't you have an iPhone now that they are available on virtually every carrier?

Me, I am going to continue to enjoy my iTouch 3G when my iPad is not practical. Unfortunately the company I work for and provides my free cell phone has not moved to iPhones yet, but they did give me an iPad.

Get over it, you have the best mobile device available if it runs iOS5.
 
BlizzardBolt said:
The ipod touch was updated EVERY year.
Not ALL models had updates in each year.

Apple has always updated the touch so that customers from the previous generation could upgrade to the next. Rumors were was that the touch would have MINOR updates, reasoned and well described depends on each person's analysis.

Apple receives recurring iTunes music money and App store money from iPhone users.
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My thinking about your initial question is this - Apple now has a 32GB iPhone 4s for $299.99 on contract, the same price as the inferior-spec'd 4th generation 32GB iPod Touch.

I think Apple would much rather sell you an iPhone than an iPod Touch right now.
 
BlizzardBolt said:
All of your assumptions are not correct, Apple knows what they are doing, it does not take one year for white or 199 to happen. I can't believe some people either aren't thinking or just follow Apple blindly to able to justify this model.

Only logical theory is that the iPod touch (sadly) is slowly going to fade and will be discontinued in the near future.
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My whole point is that of course it doesn't take a year for those changes to come into effect; your assumption that the date of the releases of such advances reflect or should reflect when they became possible is mistaken. The release schedule is based on considerations other than how soon they can come up with technical or cosmetic advances so judging it on those terms is misguided.

You are right that Apple knows what they are doing. They know that the cost/benefit from selling current iPods outweighs the cost/benefit of devoting resources to making and selling a more developed model right now.
 
WLS said:
There appears to be good reason to suspect Apple is going to put the A5 in the ATV
http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/07/apple-outs-more-powerful-apple-tv-dual-core-a5-in-ios-5-file-system/

But they couldn't put it in the Touch?? I speculated this summer on the possibility that Apple would be dropping the Touch when iPhones would become cheap enough. I said the sign would be when they stop updating it and just milk it for what ever they could get for it.
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iPods are a $5 billion a year business for Apple not to mention capturing you into their walled garden. They aren't going away anytime soon although I don't expect Apple to spend much creating anything revolutionary in that space.
 
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