WSJ: Apple Expects Lower-Priced LCD Models to Represent Majority of iPhone Sales in Upcoming 2018 Lineup

[The Game 161]

But... but... the other guys said all models would be OLED..... Even the iPhone Poverty Edition would get all the same stuff the high-end did....

Err nobody has said this
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Man, all I can say is that Apple better be making some sort of compensation to all the loyal customers who dished out $1000 for the original and “inferior” iPhone X if they really are dropping prices that much on the new one. If they don’t, then that’s them openly revealing just how ridiculously wide their margins really are. They’re gonna get bent over and humiliated if that does happen... Next keynote: “Yeah, our margins for last years iPhone X were so outrageous that we’re able to drop the price of this year’s new model by $200 and still make huge amounts of revenue off of it.”

You can’t be serious?

Newsflash phones get updated each year which are better than the year before

Breaking news

They are dropping the price to sell even more to match their target. They still sold a huge amount of iPhone X devices

 

[trusso]

No tech manufacturer can ‘twist anyone’s arm’ to purchase anything. It’s all executed through marketing and the consumer makes the decision what they want to buy.

My point exactly. Twisting one's arm (or putting a gun to one's head) are phrases which mean that the subject is under extreme duress and is essentially forced to make a decision against their will. Which Apple did not do. They did execute a heckuva lot of marketing, and as you say, the customer makes the decision. Of course, the idea of marketing is to influence the customer's mind so they will make the decision that Apple prefers (to buy the phone).

It’s Apple’s goal to sell the consumer the best product possible, rather somebody doesn’t like the product, that’s their opinion, but it doesn’t apply as fact to everybody else’s experience with the iPhone X.

You lost me here, sorry... People who are unhappy with the phone should not be blaming Apple, per se. They ought to be examining their own easily-influenced minds which led them to plunk down $1000 for a flippin' phone.


Sorry, folks. I know my views are in the minority and unpopular, but that's because I actually use my brain instead of letting other people just deposit ideas in there and go on pretending they're my own.

 

[Naimfan]

The number of people blindly buying expensive phones when they have no idea on how to use half of its capabilities cracks me up.

 

[MacBebe]

No 3D Touch no sale for me.

I've turned off 3D Touch off on my X. I don't see the point. I could live without it.

One thing that I like about 3D Touch is the ease of positioning the cursor when editing texts.

 

[kazmac]

The number of people blindly buying expensive phones when they have no idea on how to use half of its capabilities cracks me up.

Or in my case, have no desire to learn how to use half of its capabilities (as with the 7+). I went with screen size rather than what I needed. Had I actually looked at the screen on the SE at the time, I would have jumped with the SE.

 

[justme1]

I think that they will find more people sticking with what they already have, consumers don’t want a bigger phone or to again spend a grand on the Plus model. The iPhone 8 should do very well.

I hear you. I have an iPhone 8 and I like it a lot. I just can't see myself ever having a larger device. And I don't care that much about the price.

 

[groadyho]

You paid $450 because as usual, no one wants these things 3 months after release. It retails for far more and to be fair, there are 2 for 1 iPhone deals too.

Oreo will be the last update you get so report back how snappy it is after a year or two.

What AI is better? Bixby? Lol. Ok.

Hmmm wrong. Google AI is far ahead. My s9+ just got Oreo 8.1 and it will get atleast P, also on May security patch. Yes Samsung is slow about updates but they come. And yea my nephews s7 is still fast without lag. You really don't know do you. I came here to learn you should learn a few things too. Btw my LG g5 was always up to date and as fast as the day I bought it when I traded it in.
Dolby Atmos also sounds amazing on my s9+.

 

[nviz22]

funny -- while apple goes back to LCD samsung will release flexible oled i next galaxy X

It's rumored to cost $1800. Be my guest if you want to beta test that tech and early adopt it. I won't buy Samsung tech like that till it's highly refined and there are strides in software support.

 

[HarryWild]

I will keep my SE and wait for a smaller model in 2019.

 

[Baymowe335]

Hmmm wrong. Google AI is far ahead. My s9+ just got Oreo 8.1 and it will get atleast P, also on May security patch. Yes Samsung is slow about updates but they come. And yea my nephews s7 is still fast without lag. You really don't know do you. I came here to learn you should learn a few things too. Btw my LG g5 was always up to date and as fast as the day I bought it when I traded it in.
Dolby Atmos also sounds amazing on my s9+.

You mean P, the copy of gesture based OS that my X already uses?

I have Owned Samsung Notes and Galaxies, before my iPhone X....they are garbage. I never got an OS update in 3 years of owning the Note 4. Functions with the S pen never worked, I went through 3 batteries, and still got unexpected shutdowns constantly. Slow, buggy Lollipop and awful battery life. Got an entirely new device after 10 months, still didn’t fix my issues. Absolutely hated the phone. I owned the S3 and it was better, but still buggy, not smooth, and no updates. I know what Im talking about when it comes to Samsung phones. It’s really all I’ve owned.

LG makes terrible phones, besides decent cameras.

We were talking about Samsung phones, so I was asking what AI the Samsung phone uses that’s so great? I don’t want Google stealing my info to enhance AI on questions I’d rarely if ever ask.

Be honest...What AI features are you,really using that give you any benefit on a daily basis that don’t exist with Apple? If you say personal assistant, Bixby sucks and Hey Google only works better on crap I’ve literally,seen no one use except in testing.

 

[Regbial]

GOOD, keep it that way. OLED is overrated anyway, very prone to burn in and doesn't have the same longevity.

 

[groadyho]

You mean P, the copy of gesture based OS that my X already uses?

I have Owned Samsung Notes and Galaxies, before my iPhone X....they are garbage. I never got an OS update in 3 years of owning the Note 4. Functions with the S pen never worked, I went through 3 batteries, and still got unexpected shutdowns constantly. Slow, buggy Lollipop and awful battery life. Got an entirely new device after 10 months, still didn’t fix my issues. Absolutely hated the phone. I owned the S3 and it was better, but still buggy, not smooth, and no updates. I know what Im talking about when it comes to Samsung phones. It’s really all I’ve owned.

LG makes terrible phones, besides decent cameras.

We were talking about Samsung phones, so I was asking what AI the Samsung phone uses that’s so great? I don’t want Google stealing my info to enhance AI on questions I’d rarely if ever ask.

Be honest...What AI features are you,really using that give you any benefit on a daily basis that don’t exist with Apple? If you say personal assistant, Bixby sucks and Hey Google only works better on crap I’ve literally,seen no one use except in testing.

Okay ltbh, last week on the lg v30 Google AI ordered our food, sent my wife a text to pick up the food and made me an appt hands free all the while I finished remodeling the kitchen.
I agree Lollipop sucked but since marshmallow right up thru oreo android has been great. As far as gestures go, they all steal from each other. I will switch to Apple one day when they catch up.

 

[Baymowe335]

Okay ltbh, last week on the lg v30 Google AI ordered our food, sent my wife a text to pick up the food and made me an appt hands free all the while I finished remodeling the kitchen.
I agree Lollipop sucked but since marshmallow right up thru oreo android has been great. As far as gestures go, they all steal from each other. I will switch to Apple one day when they catch up.

You mean catch up with the gestures Apple has had since iPhone X released and the True Depth camera that powers secure FaceID, that still hasn’t been matched, despite many tries for “secure” FaceID from Android manufacturers? Or the A11 chip that is already best in all of mobile?

Again, the google AI has trade offs with privacy and security. I don’t even think it’s THAT far ahead of Siri for very day tasks. You ordered food, great. I have no idea if Siri can do that, but I’m sure it’s possible to do the same thing somehow on a iPhone. If it’s not, that isn’t enough reason to use Android for me.

 

[Sevendaymelee]

Let's go back to Job's method of simplifying everything. It's too bloated. One iPhone. One iPad. Simplicity.

 

[The Game 161]

Let's go back to Job's method of simplifying everything. It's too bloated. One iPhone. One iPad. Simplicity.

No because not everybody likes the same size phone and tablet.

You need choice.

 

[bmot]

the iPhone Poverty Edition

Best comment ever!

 

[pete2106]

Really? They expect cheaper phones to sell more than the expensive ones? Where would be without this kind of insight. I hope those analysts are getting paid a fortune, they're clearly worth every penny.

 

[CWallace]

And now 9to5 Mac is reporting parts suppliers are saying the 6.5" OLED phone could be the most-popular model at launch based on Apple reportedly ordering 45 million 6.5" OLED panels compared to 30 million for the 6.1" LCD model.

 

[Sevendaymelee]

No because not everybody likes the same size phone and tablet.

You need choice.

Is that why iPhone was destroying the competition before he died? Because people need choice? Because I don't recall iPhone and iPad struggling back when there was only one new model a year.

 

[The Game 161]

Is that why iPhone was destroying the competition before he died? Because people need choice? Because I don't recall iPhone and iPad struggling back when there was only one new model a year.

Why on earth are you comparing then to now? Android is a million times better than it was then hense why the comp is as tough as it's ever been.

A rather horrible example really.

Just as tech has developed and improved so mentioning those days are pointless

Apple are even expecting the iPhone X plus to be the most popular smartphone that says everything you need to know about why choice is very important

 

[Sevendaymelee]

Why on earth are you comparing then to now? Android is a million times better than it was then hense why the comp is as tough as it's ever been.

A rather horrible example really.

Just as tech has developed and improved so mentioning those days are pointless

Apple are even expecting the iPhone X plus to be the most popular smartphone that says everything you need to know about why choice is very important

I'm sorry but, if it's between Steve Job's vision of how to successfully sell iPhones and iPads and your vision, I'm going to go with Jobs. The guy kind of knew what he was doing.

 

[The Game 161]

I'm sorry but, if it's between Steve Job's vision of how to successfully sell iPhones and iPads and your vision, I'm going to go with Jobs. The guy kind of knew what he was doing.

stop living in the past...jobs is gone. Apple are still doing as great as ever.

You do realise why apple decided to make more phones with bigger screen sizes right? to keep up with the competition as the MARKET wanted BIGGER phones. It really isn't hard to understand why apple have had to have more choice as thats what the market wants. Just like not everybody wants bigger screens they also will want bigger screens.

If Apple had the old jobs with one phone they would lose a ton of money from customers.

 

[borgranta]

Apple is widely rumored to introduce three new iPhone models in September, including a second-generation iPhone X, a larger version dubbed the iPhone X Plus, and a lower-priced but lesser-featured version.

Given the iPhone X Plus is expected to have an OLED display, like the iPhone X, it would be reasonable to assume that the majority of iPhones that Apple plans to manufacture in 2018 will be of the OLED variety. According to The Wall Street Journal, however, that might not be how things play out.

The report cites sources involved with Apple's supply chain who claim that Apple now expects LCD models to make up the majority of iPhone sales in its upcoming lineup, expected to be released this fall.

Apple initially wanted roughly equal production of iPhone models with LCDs and OLED displays, but now plans to make more of the LCD model, referring to the rumored lower-priced, lesser-featured 6.1-inch iPhone, as it supposedly anticipates strong customer demand for the more affordable X-like model.

It's not entirely clear if "LCD models" will include iPhone 7, iPhone 8, and iPhone SE models, which will likely remain for sale alongside the 2018 iPhones, and would certainly help tip the scale towards LCD.

The Wall Street Journal says Apple's plans are a "sign of consumers' sensitivity to the price of smartphones," citing analysts who believe demand was weaker than their initial forecasts for the iPhone X "due mainly to its price tag." The flagship device is priced from $999 in the United States.

The report adds that Apple will likely retain at least one lower-priced, LCD-based iPhone in its 2019 lineup too, rather than shift entirely to OLED, to ensure customers have an affordable option to choose from.

A report out of Korea last month said Apple will switch to OLED for all of its 2019 iPhones, a claim that some analysts had already cast doubts on.

Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, now with research firm TF International Securities, expects the next iPhone X to start at $800-$900, the so-called iPhone X Plus to start at $900-$1,000, and the 6.1-inch iPhone to start at $600-$700 in the United States, with orders for all three beginning in September.

Kuo has previously said the 6.1-inch iPhone will have a nearly edge to edge display, with a notch for Face ID, but with tradeoffs, including an LCD instead of OLED display, an aluminum frame rather than stainless steel, no 3D Touch, and a single-lens rather than dual-lens rear camera system.

If accurate, many customers may indeed opt for what is essentially a budget iPhone X, with a $300 to $400 cheaper price tag. That doesn't mean the current iPhone X was too expensive, though, as in February, Apple said it was the "top selling iPhone" every week since it launched in early November.

Article Link: WSJ: Apple Expects Lower-Priced LCD Models to Represent Majority of iPhone Sales in Upcoming 2018 Lineup

If they have an SE2 and the 6.1 LCD which one would be cheaper? Which one will have better features?

 

[Shanghaichica]

Let's go back to Job's method of simplifying everything. It's too bloated. One iPhone. One iPad. Simplicity.

The market is completely different now. There is more competition and other companies can provide alternatives at every price point. If Apple didn’t adapt and start offering different products in the same category they wouldn’t be able to compete effectively and would be loosing money. In Jobs’ day there wasn’t as much competition and android was in its infancy. You couldn’t get bargain basement mobile phones and tablets and Samsung and HTC were the only real players in the high end android smartphone market

 

[44267547]

I “knowingly paid big bucks” to buy the best phone I’ve ever had. If they drop the price this year, I DON’T CARE. I will have enjoyed using it for a year and will continue for the foreseeable future.

You did *Not* understand that members post. If you re-read the previous response that they responded to from another member, they were indicating that those who truly _wanted_ the iPhone X are claiming that they are disappointed with the iPhone X experience for what they paid. Part of being an early adopter of a new generation iPhone, is also accepting the fact that you pay a premium at all costs no matter what your expectations are. Given that you’re enjoying your iPhone X, others might be disappointed if they drop the price the iPhone X given what their expectations might have been from the first place. I think you missed the point.