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It seems like every 'manager' who cared about or was involved with the *product* has been leaving. (Specifically the guys who Steve recruited and assembled when he came back to Apple in '97)

Can't help but wonder if the discontent is the direct result of the new management style a-la Tim.

One thing's for sure, Apple2019 isn't the Apple I used t o care about, and as time goes on, it seems unlikely that it will change course, unfortunately.
In Silicon Valley it’s a miracle when someone stays at a company for even 10 years. It shouldn’t be a surprise that over the course of time there’s been a lot of turn over.
 
You guys are suffering from a bad case of nostalgia. Subconsciously you are probably relating some unrelated positive emotions from the time you were using OS X tiger as an OS to the OS itself.

Too judgmental and too quick to judge are we, now?

I have only stated something that few would disagree with me on. My statement does not mean I am stuck in nostalgia. I loved my Snow Leopard too. And Mojave. And now rocking Catalina beta and looking forward to its release. Come on, man, don’t be too quick to judge. :D
 
Well, the fact seems to be that Ive thought Tim is driving Apple against a wall and left. He’s probably right. I can’t believe Cook is still there after all that time.
 
A Rolex is a lot more than $1000. I do think 40 million was a very unrealistic forecast, if the WSJ is correct. I'm not surprised that the gold watches didn't sell. That said, the Hermes is a good balance and is about the right price for a fashion-conscious person to splurge every couple of years or so. The $200 premium for the custom watch face is a bit much (especially now since WatchOS 6 adds square watch faces), but I would not be surprised to see the Hermes line continue. The bands are high quality, and Hermes gets good exposure.

Of course, the broader point is that Ive was the one pushing for the gold and ceramic designs. And undoubtedly he pushed the 12" MacBook, butterfly keyboard and the switch to all USB-C, all of which were controversial.

I’m sure Ive had nothing to do with the switch to USB-C.
 
I’m sure Ive had nothing to do with the switch to USB-C.
I meant all-USB-C. It certainly made the design more aesthetically pleasing, and in the case of the MacBook Pro, more symmetric.
 
Ive's gone, stock shoots up at the opening bell. Guess he won't be missed as much as many thought.
Th stock market overall is up because of trade negotiations with China.
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A Rolex is a lot more than $1000. I do think 40 million was a very unrealistic forecast, if the WSJ is correct. I'm not surprised that the gold watches didn't sell. That said, the Hermes is a good balance and is about the right price for a fashion-conscious person to splurge every couple of years or so. The $200 premium for the custom watch face is a bit much (especially now since WatchOS 6 adds square watch faces), but I would not be surprised to see the Hermes line continue. The bands are high quality, and Hermes gets good exposure.

Of course, the broader point is that Ive was the one pushing for the gold and ceramic designs. And undoubtedly he pushed the 12" MacBook, butterfly keyboard and the switch to all USB-C, all of which were controversial.
Based on what?
 
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Who edits these articles? Apple didn't partner Hermès for the gold watches.

Unless it was updated since your post, it already states “Apple creating a $17,000 gold version and partnering with Hermès”, not “Apple creating a $17,000 gold version with partner Hermès”.

So the article is correct.
 
I meant all-USB-C. It certainly made the design more aesthetically pleasing, and in the case of the MacBook Pro, more symmetric.
Do you think he alone could make that decision?
 
Too judgmental and too quick to judge are we, now?

I have only stated something that few would disagree with me on. My statement does not mean I am stuck in nostalgia. I loved my Snow Leopard too. And Mojave. And now rocking Catalina beta and looking forward to its release. Come on, man, don’t be too quick to judge. :D

You are right but the guy you were quoting was a typical “everything was better 20 years ago” guy.
 
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I always felt that the gold Apple Watch had Jony Ive written all over it. After all, Ive is a watch guy. He owns an Omega Speedmaster and a Patek Phillippe, so it makes sense that he envisioned the AW as a fashion accessory. However, while many high-end watch collectors won't blink an eye at a $17K mechanical watch, even they couldn't justify spending that kind of money on a device that will be outdated in four years.

Where the AW really woke up the Swiss was with the bands, straps and bracelets. There's no way that the Swiss could produce similar quality for the low cost, including the link bracelet. A Rolex OEM bracelet can run $1500+ and you still need tools to remove links.

It also made the Swiss aware that there is some value in a connected watch as evidenced by Tag Heuer and Mont Blanc, to name two. However, they also realize that this is a very niche market for them.

The AW is beginning to find its niche in health and fitness, which IMO, is a main driver of current sales.
 
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Personally I think Cook has more integrity than many, and has done a lot better than others would in his position and under the sort of pressure he's been under - it is very unfortunate to hear about the changing makeup of the board though, as this sounds like a recipe for future turbulence, and particularly as more and more of the old guard ride off into the sunset.

So if it wasn't for Ive we would have had a wearable iPhone remote control to please the other executives!

I really hope this is not the beginning of the end for Apple. It will be if the board overrule the design masters.
This will be the potential issue, are the remaining design teams going to be strong enough to push back when the bean counters say 'no' - to an extent it already looks like they were on the backfoot with a lot of recent decisions.

I have to say, regarding the apple watch, except for the most ardent Apple fans, most people saw that high end apple watches were not going to be popular, even amongst the rich and ultra rich. Why buy a watch for that much and have it only last a few years ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have the first generation apple watch and it barely functions, only after 4 years, can you imagine someone dropping a 1,000+ or more on a rolex and it only lasting a 4 years? Not likely.
I guess even among the people for whom $10K is pocket change, generally even they see a timepiece in that price range as an investment that will hold value, not something that's going to be worthless after a few years and dropped OS support... Also I don't think Apple, as high end as they are, have quite the same cachet as a Patek Philippe.
 
Personally I think Ive’s best work is behind him. He iterated some designs to dead ends (because they are so good) and unfortunately the consumer tech world appears to have tapped out all the obvious innovation paths given current component capabilities.

It is a shame he didn’t walk sooner as Apple started to move away from being a user experience driven company to an accountant led, overpriced, techno-tart one.
 
You guys are suffering from a bad case of nostalgia. Subconsciously you are probably relating some unrelated positive emotions from the time you were using OS X tiger as an OS to the OS itself.

Perhaps a bit, but the older versions of OS X had more character. The newer trend of muting colors, decreasing contrast, making things minimal is just bland and boring. I liked the glossy scrollbars, and the colorful sidebar icons. Tiger was good, but personally I feel that the pinnacle of Mac OS UI was Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard had all the character of previous version, but was streamlined and did away with the pinstriping. Lion is when the skeuomorphism started to disappear, colors started to be removed, and the flatness trend started being persued.
 
Well, now at lest we know some of the reasons why Apple doesn't listen to a single consumer compliant unless they start losing money on it. Then they're all ears.
 
It's a mega-cool QUIET(!) workstation for software development and heavy duty office work. I have the trash can at work and it's a beautiful machine for what I need it for. However, I can imagine that it would be the wrong choice for a lot of people that need an -- internally -- extensible computer. You know, just as in "dull, beige boxes"... Or like those old Mac Pros, that were also truly amazing (and extensible) powerhouses.

Basically, the 2013 Mac Pro was just a more powerful, round Mac Mini. And the 2019 Mac Mini runs circles around it for less money -- but doesn't look nearly as cool as the trash can.
Gosh mine has never been quiet. In order to keep the SSD from failing I have to run Mac Fan Control at full speed.
 
I think "going freelance" is the new "spending more time with family" euphemism for getting fired.
 
Assuming this is true.
Every Single quote had proved my suspicious to be right for the past few years.
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7. While I think the Apple Watch at its current price is actually quite "low", that Gold version was insane. Ive without Steve is like Messi without Iniesta and Xavi.
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Absolutely agree with everything. You pretty much read my mind about the Tim Cook era Apple.
Bonus points for the Messi analogy - read my mind twice in one post.
 
Probably by not many on here, but he truly does have a unique mind in terms of how he was able to develop these products over the years, where they still hold a modernized-sophisticated look. I think Ive just became fatigued with the core changes with Apple, and wanted to continue to expand and grow on his own.

When Steve Jobs was around to question everything and to advocate for the user experience, Jony Ive had a great client and his talents were pointed in the right direction. A designer needs a good client. Without Jobs, well, it seems like Ive sort of checked out, and the design vocabulary of Apple really reflects that. We've gotten half-baked things like the Touch Bar -- a design looking for a problem to solve. Or crummy shortcuts like keyboards that don't feel like keyboards (and break easily). Dead end machines like the trash can Mac Pro. Desktop Macs (new Mac Pro aside) whose design hasn't really been touched in the better part of a decade.
 
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