WSJ Says iPhone X's Production Issues Due to Fewer 'Romeo' Than 'Juliet' Modules

[mmm1345]

Romeo and Juliet both died at the end. Not a good omen.
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A classic case of a solution (Face ID) in search of a problem (Touch ID). The latter is more reliable and no slower. Apple are strapped for new ideas again and think because nobody else is doing Face ID then surely it must be a good thing right? There's a reason Samsung et al ain't doing it and it's not due to lack of innovative know how. Apple have confused the "less is more" idea (removing features in the name of 'courage') with the concept of progess. Now the 'progress' options have been depleted and there's not much else to remove-the next step,is adding 'features' that nobody really wanted in the first place. And that's a slippery slope to go down.

Actually the exact opposite. The problem was they couldn't get Face ID to work with the new design so their solution was Face ID.

 

[lazyrighteye]

TouchID and FaceID have non-overlapping edge cases where they will fail:

TouchID: Gloves, wet or dirty fingers.
FaceID: TBD, but probably motorcycle helmets, ski masks, burkas.

So there would certainly be some benefit to having both. That said, I can't imagine it would be worth the additional costs: component costs, sensors taking up space, and the software complexity in having the two methods work in concert. So my guess is that we won't ever see TouchID and FaceID on the same device.

I agree and reiterate that it seems unlikely Apple invested the resources FacialID likely required for a one-off.
While it may have been a later-breaking rumor for those here, there's no way something as complex as FacialID was a last minute, Hail Mary solution for the challenges that may have been "implementing TouchID under-the-glass." More likely on their road map for a few years. Conceptually even longer.

I go back to the patents and other indicators over the years that support Apple's desire to not touch their touch screens. They must hate smudges more than I do.

 

[tommyminahan]

TouchID and FaceID have non-overlapping edge cases where they will fail:

TouchID: Gloves, wet or dirty fingers.
FaceID: TBD, but probably motorcycle helmets, ski masks, burkas.

So there would certainly be some benefit to having both. That said, I can't imagine it would be worth the additional costs: component costs, sensors taking up space, and the software complexity in having the two methods work in concert. So my guess is that we won't ever see TouchID and FaceID on the same device.

I feel like if you're wearing a ski-mask, you're probably wearing gloves too.. pretty overlapping.