WSJ Says iPhone X's Production Issues Due to Fewer 'Romeo' Than 'Juliet' Modules

[Pineapple24]

Wait until next year. Skip this one for sure.

Same post, different year.

 

[CausticSoda]

Just like the headphone jack, right? Because Apple’s not stubborn and it totally makes sense for them to backtrack on device features like that...

Honestly, if FaceID works as promised, why would you even need TouchID? There’s no added benefit unless FaceID is a total failure, and even if it is (which I wouldn’t bet on), Apple would probably throw money at fixing its issues rather than roll back their devices to what they are already treating as an inferior solution.

To remove the notch - only there because they could not make TouchID work under the screen. Really think Jony Ive will live with the notch for longer than necessary?

 

[cppguy]

Whatever. TouchID will be back next year..

How long did it take for Apple to admit the Mac Pro mistake, after saying "can't innovate anymore my ass" at the keynote? 5 years? It was a total design failure. We still don't have a working Mac Pro, and won't have one for at least 6 more months. We won't know if Face ID is a failure for one more month, but if it is a failure, they're not going to do anything about it for at least 5 years. If the iPhone X fails, they'll keep manufacturing iPhone 8, 8s, 9, 9s, etc.

 

[Mad4WDW]

Apple is determined to kill us. When they realized that the microwaves were ineffective, they came up with this IR face bombardment. Should do the trick.

I'm gonna buy a £1150 phone my wife will probably kill me before I get chance to use it anyway

 

[fathergll]

Really the proper thing would be for Apple to figure out a way to use BOTH Faceid and Touchid.

 

[BvizioN]

Whatever. TouchID will be back next year..

Yep. Including the beloved headphone jack......!
On a serious note..people make me laugh

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

HO HO HO!
Why am I surprise that the delay involves Face ID?

And was Timmy even aware that the story ends in death?

I'm having Flashbacks to Newton with this Face ID.

 

[RuffyYoshi]

did it? i don't think there are other phones with front facing camera that have the screen encapsulating the camera.
for example, samsung S8 has a bezel up there iirc.. Apple added more screen around the camera area whereas samsung just went straight across.. the notch would likely be there with or without faceID.

or, the notch isn't imposing upon the screen area (if comparing to other phones at least)... the notch is formed by additional ears of screen..

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would you rather Apple just went straight across up top and left a bit of bezel ala the S8? or should they have gone edge-to-edge and eliminate front facing camera ?

I would've rather they went something like this:

I think it was the most obvious route to take, to make full use of the oled screen since it's already a black front. It would have looked so dope.

 

[PhillyProf]

It failed...

AFAIK, he didn't understand the explanation. The fact that others looked at the phone multiple times meant that the iOS had to be opened with a swipe and a passcode, as happens with too many failed attempts.

So his Face ID explanation leads me to Face Palm!

 

[CarlJ]

Whatever. TouchID will be back next year..

Nope, last year TouchID. This year, FaceID. Next year, LickID.

 

[dasmb]

I guess nobody told the Romeo models it wasn't real poison.

 

[criticasm]

Wow the spiked Kool-Aid drinkers here already worshipping untried on the market FaceID while digging a grave for tried & true TouchID. FaceID requires sensors that created the screen notch most don't like, that lead to poor OLED yield due to having the notch cut out of the screen, that add greatly to the cost of the phone, that are in short supply leading to even further production delays. Then there's the reliability issue of the fact FaceID needs multiple sensors to work & any fail of one faults it.

No they are not going to hide FaceID sensors on future screens, that's not Apple's expertise & those those in the screen biz aren't wasting R&D. TouchID on the screen is closer to happening due to actually being viable.

 

[zombierunner]

morse code

 

[Northbynorthwest]

For some reason, this song now seems oddly appropriate.

 

[pat500000]

I get it. It's going to be an unhappy ending for buyers.

 

[macs4nw]

Whatever. TouchID will be back next year..

You sure 'bout that? Where'd that bookie go.....

 

[Starfyre]

Sad how that flash and the selfie camera keeps Romeo and Juliet from being together.

 

[Jax44]

I'm not so sure the usability of Face ID will be accepted by everyone. It clearly has problems where you want to momentarily wake the device to see notifications, and without putting your face in the field of view, for example. The more I thought about this I decided to let the tens of millions of early adopters give it a go, and maybe Apple will make changes, or add Touch ID along with it for the next go-around.

If you want to see notifications, you have to look at the device, so Face ID can see you.
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Face ID isn't new. It's hand-me-down 2010 Microsoft Kinect technology from PrimeSense that Microsoft eventually dumped for a better internal implementation. Production delay is just a convenient excuse to buy time to fix the flaw that made Face ID fail on stage.

Wrong, wrong, wrong
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong
Wrong, wrong, wrong
Wrong, wrong

(Hummed to Smoke Under Water time)

 

[Abazigal]

Whatever. TouchID will be back next year..

I wouldn’t be so quick to bet on this.

 

[RodoBobJon]

That said, any justification in offering both TouchID and FacialID on future devices? Is that overkill or spinnable into an "even more secure device?"

TouchID and FaceID have non-overlapping edge cases where they will fail:

TouchID: Gloves, wet or dirty fingers.
FaceID: TBD, but probably motorcycle helmets, ski masks, burkas.

So there would certainly be some benefit to having both. That said, I can't imagine it would be worth the additional costs: component costs, sensors taking up space, and the software complexity in having the two methods work in concert. So my guess is that we won't ever see TouchID and FaceID on the same device.

 

[Tech198]

I must of got confused with the movie.

 

[rockarollr]

If you can't get an iPhone X at launch in 2017 did it really launch?

Exxxxxxxactly!!! lol

 

[chatin]

I don't see demand holding up for the X. Ive's first product design at Apple, the 20th Anniversary Mac, was a year late and Jobs needed to do an 80% off sale to clear remaining stock. Many are still unopened to this day.

 

[0388631]

Maybe they can slip a blue pill to all those Romeo modules.

 

[ValO]

Touchid is out. And my guess is that it won’ t return.
Next year the iphone 9 will feature the new lcd screen with the new stretched aspect ratio, and no room for touchid on the front, but my guess is it won’ t have faceid either. Prepare for the mainstream iphone/succesor of the iphone 8 to have touchid on the back.

After that , apple won’ t release a new iphone with touchid. It will be faceid all the way after that.