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Apple should have launched FaceID on the updated MacBook Pro with Touch Bar.

Far fewer units sold, and would have given Apple the ability to bug out the system, ramp up product, ect.

Instead they put TouchID on their flagship laptop and decided to put unproven FaceID in their flagship phone...a phone that should sell orders of magnitude more than the laptop.
 
Wasn't the bottleneck due to not being able to put touch-id underneath the display? So it seems like they had multiple roadblocks while producing the X.
 
Yes, but they achieved some fame. There were movies deals also. Clare.

They also went on to design the Romeo, Romeo 2.0, and Juliet lines of semi-high-end sunglasses for Oakley. They were appropriately part of the X-Metal line, before those models were discontinued. I assume that's where Apple is sourcing the Romeo and Juliet components for the iPhone X.

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Yeah exactly embedded in to the display.

This has been discussed many times. Apple was rumored they experimented with integrating touch ID under the display, it failed Due to complications with the OLED Panel. They move into something else they believe in.

Face ID is the future, as Tim Cook and company clearly made that known during the keynote. They did not bring face ID just to one generation iPhone, this will expand to other iPhones and likely other Apple products in the future.
 
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You have obviously never done a tech demo. As someone who has let me assure you that anything that can go wrong, will. When demonstrating a product you will find bugs that have never appeared to you in daily use. It happens. A lot.

I actually used to do them all the time and teach classes where the tech had to work or you looked really stupid charging a company $30K for a week of training on a product. Not to mention it was Symantec so the risk of failure was a lot higher than what Apple normally does. The problem for tech people is they tend to be too confident in their tech. Apple is one of the most arrogant companies ever when it comes to this. ("You're holding it wrong"). I think the X is going to be their next iPhone 4. FaceID doesn't work? You're not looking at your phone right.
 
Only if they get it to work under the display.
Of course "they" is not Apple, it's the brilliant designers of LCD and touch technology, you know, the ones who do the REAL innovation.

Half the fanboys believe that Steve Jobs created and designed the CPU, touchscreen, LCD, cellular radios, and camera.
 
Exactly. Wait until next year. Skip this one for sure.
No way should we be sure of this. There is nothing to indicate it as of recent. They were working on the tech, sure, but for this generation. They became all-in on Face ID when the tech just wasn't there for the embedded Touch ID display, so I'd assume moreso that they are all-in on Face ID and its improvements moving forward.
 
Touch ID is annoying, I always have to wipe the button to get it to work, it activates Apple pay when I don't want it to.

What are you "always" wiping off?

It fails for me when my hands are wet or sweaty, but most of the time it works properly.
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Of course "they" is not Apple, it's the brilliant designers of LCD and touch technology, you know, the ones who do the REAL innovation.

Half the fanboys believe that Steve Jobs created and designed the CPU, touchscreen, LCD, cellular radios, and camera.

Believe that if it makes you feel better. Steve was the "leader"... the engineers followed his lead. That was his genius.... getting them to focus on what creates the end result. The engineers themselves would fail miserably at that, if they did not have that leader in place.
 
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What are you "always" wiping off?

It fails for me when my hands are wet or sweaty, but most of the time it works properly.

Found that the first time I registered my fingerprints I was having a few issues as described. Wiped my prints and re-registered and never had an issue since. Wet, dry, sweaty, dirty, ect.
 
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You should have waited until the technology was ready and hold back the X until 2018 and only released the 8 and next year only released the X. Too late now, the cat is out of the bag.
I should have? Um, okay. Sorry. Well, enjoy your free cat. :(
 
Whatever. TouchID will be back next year..

Not a chance.

TouchID does absolutely nothing to help Apple advance and realize the full potential of AR, a technology Apple is heavily investing in for the future.

Front-facing 3D cameras for now, and later rear-facing 3D cameras, will. With huge payoffs.
 
If you are referring to the keynote, then FaceID did not fail onstage! It worked as designed and perfectly. That fact is 'other' engineers had set up the device on stage. Face ID identified that it was not the correct user and locked the phone forcing a passcode. Just as it's supposed to. The error was that Craig did not reset the device after stage setup but before the keynote started.

It failed...

 
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Not a chance.

TouchID does absolutely nothing to help Apple advance and realize the full potential of AR, a technology Apple is heavily investing in for the future.

Front-facing 3D cameras for now, and later rear-facing 3D cameras, will. With huge payoffs.

The 3D capture in the Sony Xperia XZ1 is pretty cool. I wonder how many OEMs will follow?
 
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This has been discussed many times. Apple was rumored they experimented with integrating touch ID under the display, it failed Due to complications with the OLED Panel. They move into something else they believe in.
And more recent reports have stated that Apple decided to go with FaceID only, because it worked so well, well over a year ago.
 
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if you watch this video at 7:40 mark, you'll see the same thing as what happened on stage during the demo..



..and if you watch the minute or so leading up to that point, you'll be able to see why or what actually happened..

(if you're actually curious about it.. if you just want to spew FUD then keep up the good work)
Lol at the look that guy got around 4:21 from the lady passing by when he was using the Animoji. And I thought people talking into thin air to their invisible blue tooth headset friends looked strange. It's going to be fun watching people send animoji to each other even if they don't say anything out loud. :p And you know I will be using Animoji if I get this phone.
 
Touch ID is not coming back. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional to the nth degree
The only way I see TouchID coming back is if A) Apple doesn't have anything else that "stands out" as a new feature in next year's iPhone, (B) Apple wants to recoup their investment into the TouchID integrated into the display technology that there's currently a patent for and/or (C) Reliability issues with FaceID. It's probably unlikely, but you never know.
 
Im cool if you encourage more people to do that. As many as you can. Preorder day will be easier
A small group of us should start a smear campaign.
You know, like: I know this guy, who knows this guy, who knows a guy that works at Apple who says the iPhone X is going to have all sorts of issues when it first comes out. And that no one should order it until next year, at least. ;):cool:
 
If you are referring to the keynote, then FaceID did not fail onstage! It worked as designed and perfectly. That fact is 'other' engineers had set up the device on stage. Face ID identified that it was not the correct user and locked the phone forcing a passcode.

Then why didn't it display a passcode prompt immediately? Something is odd about their explanation. You can watch him try one or two times before the passcode prompt appears.

Well, we'll get plenty of reviews on this soon. And besides, it's not like TouchId works all the time either.

With Apple's long-held interest in not touching their touch screens, I would be surprised if they end up going back to TouchID. Who knows: maybe this TrueDepth camera system is paving the way for bringing their gestures concept to the masses. Crazier things have happened.

Interestingly, Apple got a patent a couple of years ago, about using a face camera to help determine the person's mood and serve up different ads based on that. The mood part could be useful.

I just thought, what are the health risks of those thousands of dots pointing at your face so often? Cancer?

Yes, if you hold very still you'll end up with a strange tan pattern :D

Okay, that was a joke. IR itself can't tan you. If anything, IR light on skin is claimed to promote healing by some.

A better question would be if it could hurt your eyes. Fortunately, there are international limits on the amount of IR exposure that can be directed at eyes... which is about the amount of illumination, not the IR itself, btw. So we're undoubtedly okay there, too.
 
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It failed...


That is actually pretty compelling.

I do think that both FaceID and TouchID will be on future iterations of the iPhone. TouchID was not removed because Apple believed it to be superfluous or outdated. They removed it because they were unable to fully implement the technology in time. If they could have made a below-the-screen fingerprint scanner work reliably for the iPhone X, it would be there. And that suggests that when the tech is ready, it will come back. There is no reason, other than space within the phone, to not have both. On my Galaxy S8+ I have three unlock methods active. Smart unlock works when I'm wearing my watch. Facial recognition (inferior to Apple's offering) works most of the time when my watch is off. Maybe once/week I hit the fingerprint scanner.

For an iPhone, the FaceID may be the primary method, with TouchID being preferred for payment authorizations (for example). As a consumer, I would want both.
 
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