Original iPhone being the full featured iPod phone was basically a killer app at the time.
Not to mention the capacitive screen and multitouch
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Not to mention the capacitive screen and multitouch
Reading through the whole thread it seems the main use case the AVP fans mention is watching movies. Which I'm sure is an interesting way to watch a movie if you are alone, and don't mind a brick strapped to your face.
But IIRC, one of the main reason 3DTV failed was people got tired of clucky glasses that went with 3DTVs.
Watching movies doesn't seem like a sustainable device use case.
But IIRC, one of the main reason 3DTV failed was people got tired of clucky glasses that went with 3DTVs.
Watching movies doesn't seem like a sustainable device use case.
Anyone who was around then and in the market wouldn't even be asking this question.
An iPod, a Phone, and an Internet Communicator...
An iPod, a Phone, and an Internet Communicator...
Are you getting it?
These are not three separate devices...
This is one device...
And we are calling it "iPhone"
The SDK and the fact that it was selling in the millions from the word go.
There is already an SDK for the vision pro, devs don't care because Apple has treated them terribly for years, hardly anybody bought the hardware because it isn't useful and lots that did don't actually use it.
So yeah...
Indeed. Back in my teens (probably since 2008) I had a small Sony Ericsson mobile, and it still works btw. And my mom has been early adopter of iPhone 2G. And I thought “well it has touchscreen, it is fun. But it cannot do a thing! Calculator, poor 2mp camera, what else…”. And I didn’t have my own iPhone until 2012, I chose 5 and was very happy with it. Because it came up polished and good. But by that time everyone in my family had an iPhone.
Right now it doesn’t seem that AVP are gonna become as widely adopted as iPhones. I cannot see people using them in the wild, even a few ones. The 3500$ mark is indeed too high and maybe if it cost same as an iPhone people would have lined up to get one. The problem is that Apple doesn’t even know how to sell it. Is it computer? Sort of. A gaming console? Maybe. A communication device? Yeah, can work. And people already have such devices and only small number of people wants to expand on that. Most (like me) don’t see a purpose in owning it: what can it do that my current device zoo cannot?
Something tells me we won’t see second iteration at all, or it will be a totally different device with some features stripped off for portability and efficiency
That's not a killer app, because it's not an app.
Vision Pro does that stuff (other than a phone), but does it on a virtual canvas in the space around you.
No FOMO and no regrets that I didn't buy AVP.
That said, awaiting delivery of my Meta Ray Bans and already looking forward to next-gen smartglasses with integrated display from Meta or Samsung/Google XR. Pay attention, Apple.
That said, awaiting delivery of my Meta Ray Bans and already looking forward to next-gen smartglasses with integrated display from Meta or Samsung/Google XR. Pay attention, Apple.
I don't want to have to spend another $499 for a neck brace (purple, blue, yellow, orange, white, and space black) for it if they offered it at that price. Hope the weight and price are lowered in the next update.
Some? It’s v0.1 beta product that cost 3,500. Won’t be useful until at least 2 generations time and even then it’s debatable
Bigger disaster than Apple Maps and “Apple Intelligence”
Bigger disaster than Apple Maps and “Apple Intelligence”
I expect a second generation of the Vision Pro would have more features, such as upgraded cameras, faster processors, better hand and object tracking, etc. Maybe it will lose the EyeSight feature. I expect it to be lighter and more comfortable as well.
Apple has removed features from devices in the past, such as expansion slots, memory access, and headphone jacks, indicating a direction Apple wanted to go. This irritated some users, of course.
There may be a less expensive "Vision Air" that has lower specs than the Vision Pro 2, but even the Vision Air will be in some ways more powerful than the current Vision Pro.
I think it has a lot more to do with the miniaturization of the technology which has been reported multiple times as the cause.Dumb question: HUDs have been in fighter planes, commercial aircraft, and passenger vehicles for years now. Why is it "impossible" to bring this to a practical set of glasses?
EDIT Dumber question - why don't we hear more about products like this?
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The form factor is intended to be as close to regular, everyday glasses as possible. That doesn't leave a lot of room for onboard electronics. They need to be able to be worn all day, which means all day battery life. They need whatever sensor/camera suite is needed to project the AR into your environment. They need onboard silicon even if most of the processing and heavy lifting is offloaded to a companion device such as iPhone. It's a huge ask, and requires technology that just doesn't exist yet. Or rather, doesn't exist in such a way that it can be packed into such a device.
lol these morons have all bought for novelty value without making up their minds for proper use cases. I use mine at home for entertainment (4k movies/shows on it are insane) and to remote play the PS5 using Portal.app, which is incredibly awesome. Sometimes I'll use it as a MacBook screen mirror as well, which works nicely. Even just browsing Safari / X is incredibly fun and relaxing. I even do research for vacations on it...
I agree that it's somewhat early and I would have hoped for NBA courtside game broadcasts, and OF COURSE it has no entertainment use if you never watch stuff on your own...
I did use it on a plane once when it was new but since decided that it stays home and I'm not gonna bother with it on trips.
I agree that it's somewhat early and I would have hoped for NBA courtside game broadcasts, and OF COURSE it has no entertainment use if you never watch stuff on your own...
I did use it on a plane once when it was new but since decided that it stays home and I'm not gonna bother with it on trips.
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All three of those are Apps, and it was absolutely killer at the time.
(You can only fairly judge something in the context of the time in question)
So amazing that history repeats itself over and over again. I'm old enough to remember the push back on the original Mac. (see attached). The Vision Pro is the future of computing. No question about it. I think one reviewer said it best (I'm paraphrasing) "the Vision Pro is what would happen if someone from the future went back in time and tried to show us the future by using the technology we have available today." When the Vision Pro is the equivalent of a slim pair of regular glasses, everyone will be using it. Yes, it's large and bulky now. But tech has to start somewhere. The first video cameras for home use were gigantic devices that were like trying to carry around a sack of potatoes. I also know people who swore they could never get a phone small enough to wear on your wrist? guess what? That now exists.
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Nope, sorry --- there are TONS of "questions about it"
We have a dozen AVP in the lab, and some talented engineers. I can say without reservations that the SDK/Xcode is trash. It lets the device down, it's overly restricted and inflexible. Long waaay to go remedying those annoyances. That doesn't even approach the dev relations nightmare.
Apple's and Oranges viewed through rose-colored glasses.
I was there, I was excited for the mouse and the Macintosh in general. It was a departure in terms of thinking about computing devices and their application to the world. The paradigms introduced were some of the most obvious like "duh it was always going to be like this. How did everyone else miss it?"
I see none of that with my AVP. It's an oddity, a curiosity and an engineering marvel. But ultimately it's a bet that has yet to pay off. There's no AH-HA! moment when using it because ultimately it doesn't solve a problem or provide a compelling killer application or use-case. I hate that Apple fumbled this but I think it needed more time in the oven.
Edit to add: the mac remote desktop escape hatch is a crutch the device leans on and an admission that the AVP can't stand on its own. It's got no thriving app ecosystem unless you toss apps from other platforms in. It's sad and infuriating that Apple can't get out of its own way. Maybe, if we didn't have a pansy like Cook who is too conservative to disrupt some of his other platforms like the iPhone did to iPods, then we'd have some more daring innovation.
Apple maximized their RoI by charging a super premium to early adopters knowing full well that they would mop up the dollars. In that case it's a massive win for Apple. All those buyers gave the $$$$$ to AAPL so won't give $$ to Google, Facebook, etc. Kudos to Timmy for a brilliant strategy.
It's business case aswell really I think.
Take Youtube/Netflix they were publicly singled out for not building an app for Vision Pro but if you look at how many platforms they've got to support. Both have iOS and Android apps, Apple TVOS, Samsung Tizen, WebOS for LG, Google TV, Roku, the web, there is probably more. They will have active userbases on all of them.
Simple. It was a mobile phone. That's a killer app on its own.
Exactly. It was innovative and disruptive to many categories of device. It cannibalized an Apple tent-pole category even. Apple lacks the brass ones to do that today because Cook has all the inspiration, courage and boldness of the color beige.
I waited for the hype to die down and then bought one myself from Apple. I ended up returning it after about a week because it was so heavy and uncomfortable, and because the field of view was awful. If it were a lot cheaper I would have kept it. I don’t miss it.
I think the technology is impressive but unless you own one you don't get how huge the FOV limit is. It's my #2 gripe and combined with the sad app store it kills the product from a consumer standpoint