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No, in the simple game I had reasons to vote for you that were all spelled out. Nothing random there.

You, on the other hand, just revenge vote. :)

my late grandfather, Don't Panic the third, likes to call it "reasoned response".
anyways, not withstanding the bellowing protest of my ghastly great-great-great-grandfather (Don't panic the sixth, always a loud one), i will call chrmjenkins bluff and begrudgingly switch my vote to him
 
my late grandfather, Don't Panic the third, likes to call it "reasoned response".
anyways, not withstanding the bellowing protest of my ghastly great-great-great-grandfather (Don't panic the sixth, always a loud one), i will call chrmjenkins bluff and begrudgingly switch my vote to him

I think you need to bold his name, otherwise it isn't an official vote.

Edit: You fixed it before I posted this comment.
 
My refusal to vote for chrmjenkins is without a doubt going to make him a werewolf... honestly though, I just enjoyed his late game analysis the most out of anybody else last game so I want to keep him in for that reason.

But it looks like he's being very very slowly walked to the gallows.
 
My refusal to vote for chrmjenkins is without a doubt going to make him a werewolf... honestly though, I just enjoyed his late game analysis the most out of anybody else last game so I want to keep him in for that reason.

But it looks like he's being very very slowly walked to the gallows.

it's going to be still long, methinks.
of the three leading candidates he is the most 'suspicious' (which doesn't say much), but his routine makes also highly enjoyable reading so he probably should get a pass for the entertainment value :D.
I'll see whether to switch vote again if the impasse doesn't pass. :)
 
None of the top 3 are desirable choices to vote for IMO...

chrmjenkins is ruthless and calculating, both qualities one should fear in a WW, but would also be of tremendous help to the Villagers were he on our side.

SilentPanda, to me hasn't really acted like a WW, I don't see much reason to vote for him over any others.

iBookG4user, also hasn't really done anything to deserve my vote, it was randomized from the top 4-5 players at the time... so, no I don't feel particularly comfortable having voted for him.
 
None of the top 3 are desirable choices to vote for IMO...

chrmjenkins is ruthless and calculating, both qualities one should fear in a WW, but would also be of tremendous help to the Villagers were he on our side.

SilentPanda, to me hasn't really acted like a WW, I don't see much reason to vote for him over any others.

iBookG4user, also hasn't really done anything to deserve my vote, it was randomized from the top 4-5 players at the time... so, no I don't feel particularly comfortable having voted for him.

That's the problem with the first couple of lynchings. Nobody has any clue who is a goodie / baddie / villager. Different players have different strategies depending on their role in the game.

With regards to chrmjenkins, he does have a way with words, but if you go back through his posts on previous games, there are subtle differences in the way he communicates when he has either a good or bad role to play in the game.

SilentPanda may not be acting like a werewolf, but that's because he's the Vampire.

As for iBookG4User, I guess he's just unlucky in the voting process.
 
SilentPanda may not be acting like a werewolf, but that's because he's the Vampire.

I wouldn't think that the Vampire would act too differently until they have been activated. They might try to steer the votes towards those that they have already scanned and know that they are not the goth, however. But considering that there hasn't been a night yet, it seems unlikely that the vampire would act differently during the first day.
 
I wouldn't think that the Vampire would act too differently until they have been activated. They might try to steer the votes towards those that they have already scanned and know that they are not the goth, however. But considering that there hasn't been a night yet, it seems unlikely that the vampire would act differently during the first day.

PS - The vampire is probably whoever always votes without leaving their house... daylight and all killing them...

Unless we're going the sparkle vampire route in which case I'll noose myself now.
 
PS - The vampire is probably whoever always votes without leaving their house... daylight and all killing them...

Unless we're going the sparkle vampire route in which case I'll noose myself now.

I had to google that.
i didn't know of this 'variant'. doesn't seem too enticing, either.
my son is still too young for that (he's more into the harry potter/percy jackson/the edge chronicle stuff), and for what i read about the twilight saga, I hope that the fad is gone by the time he might be interested. usually we read part of his books together, and i wouldn't be looking forward to that :D
 
Alright, enough messing about and I'll make a serious post.

I understand that the first round is usually random and impersonal. I don't begrudge anyone for that, and that's why I've been making light of it with my posts.

The power of the villagers lies in the voting record. mscriv pointed that out brilliantly last game when he picked the three wolves out early based on voting record alone before we foolishly lynched him, with me at the head of the charge. I also kept my vote for Rodimus Prime despite his threat, when mscriv pointed out that it was better to back off and keep caution. While you may regard me as calculating, you have to admit I am prone to impulsiveness. Consider that moving forward when I discuss the reason behind my vote.

First, let's consider how the vote started off in my favor.

Mexbearpig voted first, claiming random.org:

I vote for chrmjenkins. His number(11) was the first double that came up on random.org n

iBookG4user followed up a mere 22 minutes later, also claiming random.org. The odds of two people landing on the same person are 1 in 20. For instance, say Mexbearpig got anyone randomly. The probability iBook gets the same person is the probability someone gets any one person independent of all other random votes, since they are essentially both the same independent process. Now, pick out a single player and consider the odds of two people getting that particular person. That's (1/20)^2, 1/400.

I will vote for chrmjenkins, his number was the first number generated by random.org.

Now, while improbable, that's perfectly possible. So, it's not exactly fair to use that as ammunition without motive and a more detailed analysis. Does he have motive to vote for me? Sure he does. He was a bad guy last game and said himself that he feared my abilities late on in the game:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10926610/

iBookG4user said:
(The power is out, so I'm on my iPhone. I'll post more thorough thoughts on the game once the power comes back on)

Anyways, that was a fun game. It only took me seven games to become a special and have an interesting role . I do believe that you played very well, chris, I was worried for a while! I was considering stating that either SilentPanda or you was a werewolf. Ravenvii even pm'ed me and said that would be hilarious, but I thought that I would be a bit more cautious. In a way I underestimated you a tad, but luckily it worked out in the end.

Now, we return back to the voting record. What have people been complaining about in this thread? People abusing random.org and it leading to little progress. However, if you notice, we're not able to blame anyone person, because everyone does it. Thus, that blame cannot turn into a vote, because it never has focus. What better cover than a direct attack for the people you fear other than the guise of a random vote? iBook could have easily punched the button until he got my number and posted it to show "proof" of his impartiality. It's the perfect way to out a high profile player early on without drawing suspicion to yourself.

Does he have an accomplice? I think so. philbeeney. He posted a mere 3 minutes after iBook, and for guess who? Me. Why didn't he use random.org too? Because 1/8000 is just bat**** crazy.

Decisions, decisions. chrmjenkins as he was the first random person to post after ravenvii started the game.

But hey, you may ask "Isn't it possible he just wanted to vote for the wave and used that logic to fluff his post?"

Sure, I'll concede that. But why, then, would he outright lie about my role in previous games?

With regards to chrmjenkins, he does have a way with words, but if you go back through his posts on previous games, there are subtle differences in the way he communicates when he has either a good or bad role to play in the game.

Sorry, but I've never been a bad guy in previous games. Check the first post for the links. In the first simple game, I was a villager. In the first complex game, I was a villager. In the last two complex games, I've been the undertaker. I've never had anything but the interest of the village at heart. Why would you make such a careless post about me unless you were trying to shore up your buddy's logic?

To sum it all up, I don't necessarily suspect Mex. I think ibook may have simply jumped on his actual random vote as an excuse to vote for me.

So, there you have it. You can jump on the random bandwagon and vote for me, or you can test my logic and see if it's right. Just consider this, we have enough substance in this drawn-out vote process to actually have some content to use against people before the first round of voting even closes. If you side with me and I turn out to be wrong, then just lynch me next round. If I'm really that nefarious, you get a bad guy in the first two rounds either way. That's an excellent start.

At the very least, I hope the seer is paying attention. iBook, myself, philbeeney, mscriv; we all deserve scans. Whether it be we are high profile players or there is reasonable guilt, you have some good targets.
 
The power of the villagers lies in the voting record. mscriv pointed that out brilliantly last game when he picked the three wolves out early based on voting record alone before we foolishly lynched him, with me at the head of the charge. I also kept my vote for Rodimus Prime despite his threat, when mscriv pointed out that it was better to back off and keep caution. While you may regard me as calculating, you have to admit I am prone to impulsiveness. Consider that moving forward when I discuss the reason behind my vote.
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At the very least, I hope the seer is paying attention. iBook, myself, philbeeney, mscriv; we all deserve scans. Whether it be we are high profile players or there is reasonable guilt, you have some good targets.

Well golly gee... you've gone and made me blush. :eek:

Oh, and laid out a pretty good argument to defend yourself at the same time.
 
The odds of this one are 1 in 11 though since he was going with doubles only. Why he went with only doubles I'm not sure...

Thanks for that small omission. That doesn't affect iBook's 1/20 odds, but it does reduce the compacted odds to a more palatable 1/220 ;)
 
(snip)
iBookG4user followed up a mere 22 minutes later, also claiming random.org. The odds of two people landing on the same person are 1 in 20. For instance, say Mexbearpig got anyone randomly. The probability iBook gets the same person is the probability someone gets any one person independent of all other random votes, since they are essentially both the same independent process. Now, pick out a single player and consider the odds of two people getting that particular person. That's (1/20)^2, 1/400.

(snip)

All that and we're suppose to vote for 1/400? :D

But in all seriousness, this is, IMO, the best logic we've gotten so far so I'd be willing to change my vote (again).

Just to be clear, are you saying that we should vote for ibookG4user?
 
If I’m not voting randomly, I give a reason. I’m pretty good about that, no? Of course, nothing as loquacious as you, Master Analyzer. Didn’t I say you guys would be begging him not to post? :)

Would you please make up your mind. When I'm not around everyone wonders where I am, but when I am around... I'm not quite sure how to feel about all of this. Maybe I should go see a counselor or something? ;)

I also haven’t mentioned my own troubles. We were just in Michigan, visiting my mother-in-law who was recovering from diverticulitis. As luck would have it my wife got sick the first day. After we got back, she was diagnosed with strep. I don’t have it, yet.

I hope the wife feels better. Being sick during the weekend is terrible.
 
I am not sure I am sold on IbookG4user and philbeeney being the hairy duo, and i still like you for the "Dark Knight looking for Robin" role, but since A defense is better than NO defense, I am willing to throw poor ibookG4user under the carriage and see if a tail sticks out.
 
All that and we're suppose to vote for 1/400? :D

But in all seriousness, this is, IMO, the best logic we've gotten so far so I'd be willing to change my vote (again).

Just to be clear, are you saying that we should vote for ibookG4user?

I think you should vote for who you think is the more suspicious of the two. Is my attempt to defend myself too desperate, or is there some weight to my words?

I am not sure I am sold on IbookG4user and philbeeney being the hairy duo, and i still like you for the "Dark Knight looking for Robin" role, but since A defense is better than NO defense, I am willing to throw poor ibookG4user under the carriage and see if a tail sticks out.

Then call for my head next round. I don't think the villagers will be able to lynch me fast enough if I'm wrong.

edit: Also, to be fair, I was not the first to vote for ibookg4user. willbro was, and claims random.org. So, you could turn the tables on me and claim I fear iBookG4user and used willbro's vote as an excuse. However, I did initially say I thought ibook's vote was a fake to begin with.
 
I think you should vote for who you think is the more suspicious of the two.

So are you saying we should choose between you or ibookG4user? (Sorry, I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I just want to understand who you've tried to narrow it down to.)

Is my attempt to defend myself too desperate, or is there some weight to my words?

IMO, it's not too desperate and I think that there are weight to your words.

I'll vote for ibookG4user.
 
This, I believe is current... let me know if you spot any mistakes:

iBookG4user: 8 (willbro, chrmjenkins, stonyc, jav6454, mscriv, SilentPanda, Don't Panic, NathanMuir)
Chrmjenkins: 6 (Mexbearpig, iBookG4user, philbeeney, abijnk, iBlue, Melrose)
SilentPanda: 4 (renewed, Rodimus Prime, King Mook Mook, ucfgrad93)
Stonyc: 1 (appleguy123)
Don’t Panic: 1 (-aggie-)

Majority to lynch is 11, everyone has voted. At least 3 people more need to change their votes to reach a majority.

Abjink's spreadsheet is going to be pretty messy Day 1 with all of the vote changes. At least for Day 1, it seems like it's going to be difficult to rely on vote changing to pinpoint WW-like behavior.

Just to update recent events:
NathanMuir changed his vote from SilentPanda to iBookG4user.
Don't Panic changed his vote from -aggie- to Chrmjenkins to iBookG4user.
SilentPanda changed his vote from -aggie- to iBookG4user.
 
Then call for my head next round. I don't think the villagers will be able to lynch me fast enough if I'm wrong.

why? If ibook is lynched and turns out to be a villager, that doesn't make you a wolf/vamp (at the same time, if he turns to be a baddie, that doesn't make you necessarily good).
as far as calling other people's heads, i'll wait to see if mine is still attached to the rest of my body come morning before i start doing that.

In the first round, there actually shouldn't be any 'suspicious' behavior on the part of the bad guys. the wolf should just behave exactly as the other villagers. they have no interest in accusing anyone, as noone should be seen as a particular threat at the beginning.
only if by chance one of them is short-listed, then they should carefully manouvre to get them off the list. So, if anything, the only 'suspicious' behaviour is that directed at protecting the ones accused.
The vamp/goth doesn't actually 'know' anything more than any of the other villagers, so s/he also would behave like them, as s/he has no friends of enemies yet. Only difference is s/he may try to drop hints to facilitate the reunion. Of course other could see them as well.
 
I think you should vote for who you think is the more suspicious of the two. Is my attempt to defend myself too desperate, or is there some weight to my words?

Then call for my head next round. I don't think the villagers will be able to lynch me fast enough if I'm wrong.

It all depends on how people interpret your actions. Are you a wolf trying to save your own hide or are you a villager/special trying to save yourself for the benefit of the village? Is it possible that you are innocent and iBookG4user is innocent also... ? Sure that's possible and this early in the game we don't have much to go on. What I appreciate is the willingness to fight for your place in the game as opposed to just giving up and saying "oh well, you all will vote how you want to..."
 
If my being incorrect does not lead to immediate suspicion, it inevitably will down the road as my gunning for iBook will eventually be taken as manipulation. By coming out this strong, I cannot avoid further suspicion. I'll be under the microscope the rest of the game.
 
If my being incorrect does not lead to immediate suspicion, it inevitably will down the road as my gunning for iBook will eventually be taken as manipulation. By coming out this strong, I cannot avoid further suspicion. I'll be under the microscope the rest of the game.
That, and if you are correct about iBookG4user, the WW will have lost one of their own and will be likely to look to you as a target of infection.
 
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