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[WW] DAY 4 HAS BEGUN,KOODAUW HAS BEEN EATEN BY WOLVES.

sorry moyank. :(
i think that was possibly our last realistic chance to win the game.
although we technically have one more day to find ourselves a wolf, it seems to me that the baddies, with 4/9 votes (including the infection) will be in full and easy control, unless the seer gives us a hit, and the hunter gets lucky.
 
Ok on a side note, yeah next day, vote revealing is pretty much a must do for the seer and confirming the villagers who are clear. For the hunter, he can back up the seer for the "non able to scan" and then the undertaker to confirm some of those death. I think it's pretty hard for any wolf to "hide" there, and the pool will be at least way smaller for us to choose and hopefully we can target the right infected...

But every time I hint to special revealing there role, I don't have a big follow ;)
 
Sythas said:
Ok on a side note, yeah next day, vote revealing is pretty much a must do for the seer and confirming the villagers who are clear. For the hunter, he can back up the seer for the "non able to scan" and then the undertaker to confirm some of those death. I think it's pretty hard for any wolf to "hide" there, and the pool will be at least way smaller for us to choose and hopefully we can target the right infected...

But every time I hint to special revealing there role, I don't have a big follow ;)
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By 'tomorrow' I think, to be honest, it is that, or die.

The WWs are always schooled to take "a hit for the team", if that is what is called for, in other words, if one of them are unmasked, the others will pile in - as they should - because the goal is WW victory, rather than the survival of individual WWs.

By tomorrow, I certainly think that some information that the specials have garnered & gathered - assuming some of them still live - should be brought to bear, not least because at the end of the day, the specials are playing for the village, the collective, not themselves. Otherwise, we run the risk of being taken out, one by one, until a WW victory, which is a lot closer than we think.
 
TechGod said:
Scepticalscribe said:
At this stage, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our survival, let alone victory.
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By night three? A bit negative, isn't it?
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TechGod said:
mrkramer said:
And unless the hunter is still around and gets lucky by morning it will be down to nine and four wolves, so unless I'm doing the math wrong tomorrow is our last chance to get a wolf before they eat us all.
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Isn't that delightful...
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Albeit making my speech in your favor I can't help but find your posts...irritating.

Probably you shouldn't post that much :p
 
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twietee said:
Albeit making my speech in your favor I can't help but find your posts...irritating.

Probably you shouldn't post that much :p
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I agree with you. They are less than helpful, and are, frankly, more than a little irksome.

And my annoyance with non-participating players is nothing new; it is something that has bedevilled these games for quite some time.

As twietee has observed, 'real life' issues and genuinely mistaken times are one thing: coasting and not participating, even though one has signed up to do so, is quite another.

Anyway, let us see what the night brings.
 
Scepticalscribe said:
Yes, of course, I forgot about the NW.

I, too, have a horrid suspicion that they have taken a hit - and if they have taken two, that may leave the testimony of whosoever has survived somewhat less credible.

Nevertheless, I think that by tomorrow some sort of information - even if only guardedly, might be usefully shared.
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if the hunter is still around, it could make sense for all the specials to out themselves tonight, with the hunter going first.
here is the logic
the hunter can still protect the seer, tonight and tomorrow. if the seer is alive they will have 3 scans tomorrow. and -unless they are infected already which seems unlikely- they cannot be infected or kami-killed tonight or tomorrow (although they will almost certainly be gone the following night. Between the 3 scans, the hunter, the seer themselves, the undertaker and the NW, there are a lot of people that could be cleared (up to nine, with only 7/10 that can actually be goodies (without the infection in consideration)
obviously there will be some overlap and some of the specials/NW are likely dead already, but overall even if we clear 4/5 people (of which only one can be infected) i think we would be in a better position than now.
it is risky, but we basically lost already anyway.
 
Don't panic said:
if the hunter is still around, it could make sense for all the specials to out themselves tonight, with the hunter going first.
here is the logic
the hunter can still protect the seer, tonight and tomorrow. if the seer is alive they will have 3 scans tomorrow. and -unless they are infected already which seems unlikely- they cannot be infected or kami-killed tonight or tomorrow (although they will almost certainly be gone the following night. Between the 3 scans, the hunter, the seer themselves, the undertaker and the NW, there are a lot of people that could be cleared (up to nine, with only 7/10 that can actually be goodies (without the infection in consideration)
obviously there will be some overlap and some of the specials/NW are likely dead already, but overall even if we clear 4/5 people (of which only one can be infected) i think we would be in a better position than now.
it is risky, but we basically lost already anyway.
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And we can agree that from the people lynched during the day, non of them was special ? there was no fast switcharoo near the deadline.
[doublepost=1452703501][/doublepost]But with the deadline so near, the plan of revealing and protecting tonight do not have a lot of chance to work I think
 
Don't panic said:
if the hunter is still around, it could make sense for all the specials to out themselves tonight, with the hunter going first.
here is the logic
the hunter can still protect the seer, tonight and tomorrow. if the seer is alive they will have 3 scans tomorrow. and -unless they are infected already which seems unlikely- they cannot be infected or kami-killed tonight or tomorrow (although they will almost certainly be gone the following night. Between the 3 scans, the hunter, the seer themselves, the undertaker and the NW, there are a lot of people that could be cleared (up to nine, with only 7/10 that can actually be goodies (without the infection in consideration)
obviously there will be some overlap and some of the specials/NW are likely dead already, but overall even if we clear 4/5 people (of which only one can be infected) i think we would be in a better position than now.
it is risky, but we basically lost already anyway.
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Probably the best strategy at this point. The worst fear is that we've already lost a lot of specials to lynching and being eaten without them having made a peep during the game. I think the quick deadlines may contribute to that somewhat, but as you and SS have pointed out, it's do or die time.

What would be the best order? Hunter -> NW -> Seer -> Undertaker? Last one would be able to verify anyone claiming dead roles at least.
 
Don't panic said:
if the hunter is still around, it could make sense for all the specials to out themselves tonight, with the hunter going first.
here is the logic
the hunter can still protect the seer, tonight and tomorrow. if the seer is alive they will have 3 scans tomorrow. and -unless they are infected already which seems unlikely- they cannot be infected or kami-killed tonight or tomorrow (although they will almost certainly be gone the following night. Between the 3 scans, the hunter, the seer themselves, the undertaker and the NW, there are a lot of people that could be cleared (up to nine, with only 7/10 that can actually be goodies (without the infection in consideration)
obviously there will be some overlap and some of the specials/NW are likely dead already, but overall even if we clear 4/5 people (of which only one can be infected) i think we would be in a better position than now.
it is risky, but we basically lost already anyway.
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Hummmmm INFECTION can go trough the hunter protection!!!!!!!!! if I'm reading correctly!!
 
Sythas said:
And we can agree that from the people lynched during the day, non of them was special ? there was no fast switcharoo near the deadline.
[doublepost=1452703501][/doublepost]But with the deadline so near, the plan of revealing and protecting tonight do not have a lot of chance to work I think
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no, we don't know if any of the lynched was a special, they might have said something in the way of defense if that was the case, but it is not a given.
chrmjenkins said:
Probably the best strategy at this point. The worst fear is that we've already lost a lot of specials to lynching and being eaten without them having made a peep during the game. I think the quick deadlines may contribute to that somewhat, but as you and SS have pointed out, it's do or die time.

What would be the best order? Hunter -> NW -> Seer -> Undertaker? Last one would be able to verify anyone claiming dead roles at least.
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looks about right, the undertaker can be earlier as long as they hold on on scan results
 
Don't panic said:
if the hunter is still around, it could make sense for all the specials to out themselves tonight, with the hunter going first.
here is the logic...
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I agree about your logic but I think it should be discussed whether the Doc should out him-/herself before eventually. If the hunter outs himself but the Undertaker already knows the Seer is a goner: not that helpful either (and by now we are almost as dependend on the Seer as on the Hunter).
 
I guess the downside is that there's a quick deadline and if everyone doesn't show up, we'll never know if an absentee is a role or not.
 
Don't panic said:
if the hunter is still around, it could make sense for all the specials to out themselves tonight, with the hunter going first.
here is the logic
the hunter can still protect the seer, tonight and tomorrow. if the seer is alive they will have 3 scans tomorrow. and -unless they are infected already which seems unlikely- they cannot be infected or kami-killed tonight or tomorrow (although they will almost certainly be gone the following night. Between the 3 scans, the hunter, the seer themselves, the undertaker and the NW, there are a lot of people that could be cleared (up to nine, with only 7/10 that can actually be goodies (without the infection in consideration)
obviously there will be some overlap and some of the specials/NW are likely dead already, but overall even if we clear 4/5 people (of which only one can be infected) i think we would be in a better position than now.
it is risky, but we basically lost already anyway.
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No. I'd recommend outing - or, at least pooling some information - tomorrow. Not tonight. At this stage, while the WWs have killed several individuals, unless they have infected either of the two 'screening' specials (Seer or Undertaker) they don't know just exactly who they have killed.

Assuming the Seer survives, - and has been able to scan - such information would be welcome.

However, I would prefer to see the Undertaker - assuming that personage is still alive - post first, if only to confirm that there isn't a deceased Seeker or Hunter among the deceased, assuming that it is possible to confirm this.

Then, perhaps, let us see who else can offer information which could be digested, such as someone from the NW, or Seer, (I almost wrote Seeker, too much Harry Potter) or Hunter.
 
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I didn't realize it was night :oops:

Yes, no sense giving the wolves a free swipe at night. At least we're bringing it up now to give heads up before tomorrow.

I can think of a few scenarios in my head where the undertaker coming out at night could be helpful, though.
 
twietee said:
I agree about your logic but I think it should be discussed whether the Doc should out him-/herself before eventually. If the hunter outs himself but the Undertaker already knows the Seer is a goner: not that helpful either (and by now we are almost as dependend on the Seer as on the Hunter).
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yes it is risky, but as i said, there is little to lose at this point.
total outing or not, if we do not do this tonight, i recommend that the seer -if still alive tomorrow morning- comes out right away with the scan results, as long as they clear someone. the same post should contain the outing as seer and the scan results, to avoid the possibility of infection in-between

Scepticalscribe said:
No. I'd recommend outing - or, at least pooling some information - tomorrow. Not tonight. At this stage, while the WWs have killed several individuals, unless they have infected either of the two 'screening' specials (Seer or Undertaker) they don't know just exactly who they have killed.

Assuming the Seer survives, - and has been able to scan - such information would be welcome.

However, I would prefer to see the Undertaker - assuming that personage is still alive - post first, if only to confirm that there isn't a deceased Seeker or Hunter among the deceased, assuming that it is possible to confirm this.

Then, perhaps, let us see who else can offer information which could be digested, such as someone form the NW, or Seer, (I almost wrote Seeker, too much Harry Potter) or Hunter.
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as chrmjenkins pointed out, a main function of the undertaker is to keep the wolfies from pretending to be who they are not, the undertaker can come out, but they should't say right away the scan's results, as it would help the wolves.

the rationale on coming out tonight rather than wait was to ensure that the info the seer has is not lost tonight
 
I was perhaps not so subtly implying the value of misdirection as well. That only works if the real role is still alive. It'd be downright devastating to have fake scans without the real one come out. Make for a fun story though, eh?
 
Scepticalscribe said:
However, if everyone who is supposed to have submitted their respective requests - or actions - has done so - night can conclude early.
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Ei, good point. Is that really the case? Then we're screwed for tonight (3h alone are rather unrealistic). Let's cross fingers then and start with that game as early as possible come tomorrow morning: with these deadlines (and - hopefully - plenty to discuss afterwards) there shouldn't be any time wasted.
 
 
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