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Twietee, I know you're stuck on why I voted for Tomorrow and not Sythas. My explanation is simple. I didn't want to vote Sythas out on the first day because he had just run the previous game, and I felt that would be kind of a dick move.

Alright, good enough an explanation for me. Probably was kinda obvious. :eek:

Just flying through the thread, have a looong meeting coming up and my phone just doesn't like me anymore :)mad:)

so no-vote for now until I can examine the thread some more. I believe DP is leading. Partial on him, guess ww are afraid of the seer more than DPs analytic skills but I'll check out his posts later. Always rubbed me the wron gway when he prematurely announced Tomorrow as a villager, but maybe I'm reading too much into that.

And did just all the teams got exposed??
 
Alright, good enough an explanation for me. Probably was kinda obvious. :eek:

Just flying through the thread, have a looong meeting coming up and my phone just doesn't like me anymore :)mad:)

so no-vote for now until I can examine the thread some more. I believe DP is leading. Partial on him, guess ww are afraid of the seer more than DPs analytic skills but I'll check out his posts later. Always rubbed me the wron gway when he prematurely announced Tomorrow as a villager, but maybe I'm reading too much into that.

And did just all the teams got exposed??

Some mentioned their partner, and a few confessed who they were linked with, and, as a result, it was possible to infer from who was left what the remaining linkages were.
 
Nice narration raven.
i dig the telepathic/voices in the head concept.


Disclaimer: long post coming up
Tl;dnr: don’t vote me out, I am a villager :)

Part I :D:D:D

Well, it looks like I am going to be toast soon, which I want to reiterate is a mistake because I am not a wolf, and for the reasons I am going to enunciate now.

Unfortunately I don’t expect to be swaying many votes, because it is generally easier and safer to stay put, especially in situations like this where nobody is cleared and nobody is highly suspicious, so everyone has to be looking after their own skin.

I understand why I am ‘suspect’ to some, but I also think that it is a bit overplayed, and that it could easily be exploited to push votes my way

So let’s start from there.
I have received votes for three different reasons.
- Moyank voted me because she was at risk of being ousted herself. An obvious, defensive vote, which carries no ulterior significance to me. Whether she is a wolf or not, she would vote for me to increase the chances to save her own skin. Only reason not to do that as a villager would be if she has reasons to believe I am a special, and thus more valuable to the village the her (if she is not).

- Meister claims he voted for me because I voted for him. There is no game logic in this, especially as the alternative was anjinha, who then proved to be a villager, so there is not much to discuss. If anyone voting for a villager was a wolf, we would have a very hairy town. His own votes are so far all for proven villagers (one more to be added to the list soon), which also does not mean much, until we find the wolves and we can put the votes in context.

- Scepticalscribe voted for me because she believes that wolves would have killed me –or attempted to kill me- during one of the first two nights. I understand her reasoning, and was actually expecting it because she made no secret it was coming, and it is not the first time it happens (not necessarily from her). In a way I appreciate it because it is flattering, but on the other hand it is frustrating because it paints me in a small corner in many games: either I die killed by the wolves, or I die because I wasn’t killed by the wolves.

In any case, this is reasonable case, and worth exploring further, plus I also have to admit that I have used the same reasoning directed to others at times.
That said, there are several weaknesses to this argument (applied to me or others), first of all, the same thing could be said of many of the other players, which carry different but equally valuable skills to the village table: Scepticalscribe herself, Moyank, Twietee, Queenofspades just to name some currently alive, are all very experienced players which would make a ‘prime’ wolf target in any given game. i just happen to have a much better PR office ;). In fact, with the exception of Meister who is a rookie and Anjinha who i think hasn’t played for a long time, everyone else is a ‘regular’, proven to be excellent players and dangerous wolves.

Even accepting the idea that to wolves my presence in the village is more undesirable than that of others, we have to take into account that the hunter might also draw the same conclusions, and the wolves would adjust their strategy to take that into consideration.
Am I –as a target- so desirable to risk losing a kill? No.
Only the seer is worth that risk, or a player who has factual information/powers to threaten them in the immediate. A bit of statistics and analysis, is not enough in my opinion, especially at the beginning where there is nothing to go on.
with the presence of hunter protection, it becomes a game of cat-and-mouse: will the hunter protect the high-value-target on night one? Then the wolves will go to a secondary target. But if the hunter gambles that the WW would do just that, s/he can protect someone else and keep it open for night two, and so on. to be sure, they would accept the likely possibility they miss a kill. that is a very high price to pay, especially in a game without infection.
Or maybe they did plan on hitting me on night 1 or 2, but for some reasons they could have decided in favor of other priorities (e.g. killing the seer or hunter, getting rid of a partner who got suspicious, etc.), or decided to go after a target who was equally valuable but possibly less likely to be protected (e.g plutonius).

if you combine the higher possibility of a failed attempt, the possible other reasons to selecting someone else with the fact that me not being killed automatically makes me a suspect for lynching and a vote-getter (as proven by today), then the 'benefit' to the wolves of letting me live far outweigh whatever contribution i can give. Not to mention that some of my analysis/theories my be way off, and thus the wolves may opt to let it float around as unwitting misdirections.

Then there is the seer, if we accept the theory that I am eminently dangerous, the seer might feel the same way. Since there is a 90% (9/10) chance the seer wasn’t plutonius and thus survived night 1, either they did not scan me on night 1 (which weakens the premise) or they did and I turned out innocent. The same possibility barely goes down, to ~78%, that s/he survived night 2 (7/9), and yet I am here, not outed.

So while I understand SS vote (and those who agree with the reasoning even if they didn’t vote for me), and I don’t blame her for doing so, I know she is wrong this time and I think there is enough to warrant a change of mind, and target.

More on that coming up, now I have my secondary hobby to take care of ;)
 
Voting for DP is always a very easy, and convenient vote. I also agree that it's overplayed. It seems too oversimplistic, and just easy, for a good player like SS.

As QOS said, there are plenty of times as a Wolf I've kept people alive because they are always suspected. It makes more sense to keep you around than to kill you, sometimes. All you do is attract more attention the longer you are alive.

I have no problem, once I'm out of the woods, trying to change the course of the vote today and get a freaking wolf.
 
Part One?

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You might wanna redact that a little when we're supposed to read all that stuff before deadline, you know. ;)


Geez, just when back from a long day at the office..
 
Moyank24 then

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I'm not happy with that... Not that I think that either Moyank and DP are wolf right now.

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Ok new Tally :

Don't Panic : 3 : Meister, Scepticalscribe, Moyank
Moyank : 3 : Queen of spades, Melrose, Sythas
Scepticalscribe : 1 : Don't Panic

No vote : 1 : Twietee

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As I see, I change to Scepticalscribe since I believe her to be more a wolk than DP and moyank
 
Moyank24 then

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I'm not happy with that... Not that I think that either Moyank and DP are wolf right now.

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Ok new Tally :

Don't Panic : 3 : Meister, Scepticalscribe, Moyank
Moyank : 3 : Queen of spades, Melrose, Sythas
Scepticalscribe : 1 : Don't Panic

No vote : 1 : Twietee

So why not vote for someone you think may be a wolf instead of just piling on? This isn't a tiebreaker. You can vote for anyone.

Edit:
Ninja'd!
 
Again it's me !!!!!


New and Improuve Tally :

Don't Panic : 3 : Meister, Scepticalscribe, Moyank
Moyank : 2 : Queen of spades, Melrose
Scepticalscribe : 2 : Don't Panic, Sythas

No vote : 1 : Twietee

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Is it me or the deadlines time table does not make any sense ?
 
Moyank24 then

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I'm not happy with that... Not that I think that either Moyank and DP are wolf right now.

who are you thinking? I have to admit i had my doubts on you, in part because of the low participation.
i know it is a cheap logic, and there are plenty of legit reasons for not being on all the time, but it is also a fact that it is an very effective strategy. people who participate a lot do get lynched more often than people who do not.

i know I threatened a "part II", but it turns out i got more work to do that I anticipated, so you can all exhale a collective breath of relief;)

some of the analysis re day one and two votes from an earlier post i think still holds on, although as the pool gets smaller the possibility of a og manouver increases.
especially for meister. this is his first game so i don't think his play is nuanced enough yet to pull that off, but it would also depends on who the second wolf would be

i have been PMing a little bit with melrose yesterday and he didn't smell wolfish at all, while i have some reserves on the duo SS-twietee, although the odds are low they would be team partners AND wolf partners.

finally i do think SS came out a bit too strong on me (although this could also be seen as too transparent and thus her not being a wolf), but there might have a tiny bit of bias and self-preservation there
 
i have been PMing a little bit with melrose yesterday and he didn't smell wolfish at all...

If I were a wolf different people would have been eaten. Never leave the analytical players unless you can heavily lean on the outcomes.
 
Moyank24 then

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I'm not happy with that... Not that I think that either Moyank and DP are wolf right now.

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Ok new Tally :

Don't Panic : 3 : Meister, Scepticalscribe, Moyank
Moyank : 3 : Queen of spades, Melrose, Sythas
Scepticalscribe : 1 : Don't Panic

No vote : 1 : Twietee

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As I see, I change to Scepticalscribe since I believe her to be more a wolk than DP and moyank

Yes, I am truly a 'wolk'. I admit it. Caught. Outed. Flay me now. Bring on the votes. And the gallows. And the tumbril. Guillotine, too…..

Meanwhile, a veritable train wreck of a thread in the usual predictable quarter has distracted me from participation here.

Okay, I have read Don't Panic's eloquent defence; however, my concerns are unallayed.

Re Moyank's response, (that this is 'too easy') I gave my reasons last night, and Occam's Razor looms large.

And no, re 'coming on strong' there is neither a strong sense of self-preservation nor an approach that is either biased, nor 'too transparent'.

Rather, obvious though it may seem, I like to be reassured of the fact, and of the strength of the allegiances of both Moyank and DP and, - will admit it - that, as of the moment, I remain massively unconvinced about both as neither have persuaded me of their innocence.

Moreover, I remain astonished and surprised that DP is still with us on Day 3, and even more intrigued that we are to be denied an analysis of who he thinks may be of the lupine persuasion.

 
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Yes, I am truly a 'wolf'. I admit it. Caught. Outed. Flay me now. Bring on the votes. And the gallows. And the tumbril. Guillotine, too…..

Meanwhile, a veritable train wreck of a thread in the usual predictable quarter has distracted me from participation here.

Okay, I have read Don't Panic's eloquent defence; however, my concerns are unalloyed.

Re Moyank's response, (that this is 'too easy') I gave my reasons last night, and Occam's Razor looms large.

And no, re 'coming on strong' there is neither a strong sense of self-preservation nor an approach that is either biased, nor 'too transparent'.

Rather, obvious though it may seem, I like to be reassured of the fact, and of the strength of the allegiances of both Moyank and DP and, - will admit it - that, as of the moment, I remain massively unconvinced about both as neither have persuaded me of their innocence.

Moreover, I remain astonished and surprised that DP is still with us on Day 3, and even more intrigued that we are to be denied an analysis of who he thinks may be of the lupine persuasion.


I've corrected your typo! ...:eek::p
 
I change my vote to Meister


UPDATE:

Don't Panic : 2 (Scepticalscribe, Moyank)
Moyank : 2 (Queen of spades, Melrose)
Scepticalscribe : 2 (Don't Panic, Sythas)
Meister : 1 (Meister)
No vote : 1 (Twietee)

I read through this thread and nowhere does it state what the "hunter" does.

Please explain.
 
Sceptical Scribe

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. :D

...that, and now we have another tie. So far.

I change my vote to Meister

I read through this thread and nowhere does it state what the "hunter" does.

Please explain.

This strategy again. Haven't seen it in a while. :/

The Hunter may protect one player each night, typically it cannot be protecting the same player twice consecutively. Variations in whether or not the Hunter can kill someone of his choosing comes and goes with the Game Gods.
 
Each night he can protect someone from the wolf killing

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In other game he can insta-kill but not in this game.

Thank you :)

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Sceptical Scribe

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. :D



This strategy again. Haven't seen it in a while. :/

The Hunter may protect one player each night, typically it cannot be protecting the same player twice consecutively. Variations in whether or not the Hunter can kill someone of his choosing comes and goes with the Game Gods.
So we don't know exactly what the Hunter can and cannot do.
 
Sceptical Scribe

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. :D



This strategy again. Haven't seen it in a while. :/

you have to allow for inexperience.

Meister,
the 'hunter' can select one person every night to be protected. if that person gets attacked by wolves, the attack fails.

he communicates his decision to the gamegod (ravenvii in this case) by PM
 
I change my vote to Meister

I read through this thread and nowhere does it state what the "hunter" does.

Please explain.

The Hunter is one of two 'Core' village roles. The other is the Seer.

During Night Time, the Wolves send a PM to the Game God with the name of the player they wish to have killed. This is usually carried out unless that player has been protected by the Hunter that night.

Of the two Core village roles, each also has a night time action, conveyed by PM to the GG. The Seer can ask to examine an individual, and that will reveal that individual's true role, which is why a Seer is very valuable to the village and such a target to the wolves.

Likewise, the Hunter sends a name each night to the GG; this is a player to be protected; if the wolves attempt a kill on that individual that night, the kill will not be successful. However, the Hunter cannot protect the same person two nights in a row.

It is reasonable to assume that DP received Hunter protection on at least one of the nights; however, there was no 'failed' kill (that would have been announced in the narration) and no attempt at a kill (as that would have been successful).

Unfortunately, at this stage, I am beginning to think it entirely possible that we may have lost the Seer.

Meister, why cast a vote for yourself? You are not a target (for now) and your vote may be valuable elsewhere.
 
If I were a wolf different people would have been eaten. Never leave the analytical players unless you can heavily lean on the outcomes.

Agreed. But leave chrmjenkins and/or DP alive and they're already suspected day two by some. Quite likely lynched the day after. That is almost one secure day the baddies aren't even remotely at risk. DP would have been scanned for now quite likely too. May be the Seer died D1 (unlikely) or N1 (possible, quite unlucky though).

Generally I'm right there with ss but with the new rule set I'm reluctant to think the baddies may play a different style this time. And that counts for the nightly murders (seer first?, partners first?, who knows) as well as the voting system which allows for a more low-key approach.

Going back to Moyankfor now - should be tied with DP. Are you rooting for Juve? :D
 

The Hunter is one of two 'Core' village roles. The other is the Seer.

During Night Time, the Wolves send a PM to the Game God with the name of the player they wish to have killed. This is usually carried out unless that player has been protected by the Hunter that night.

Of the two Core village roles, each also has a night time action, conveyed by PM to the GG. The Seer can ask to examine an individual, and that will reveal that individual's true role, which is why a Seer is very valuable to the village and such a target to the wolves.

Likewise, the Hunter sends a name each night to the GG; this is a player to be protected; if the wolves attempt a kill on that individual that night, the kill will not be successful. However, the Hunter cannot protect the same person two nights in a row.

It is reasonable to assume that DP received Hunter protection on at least one of the nights; however, there was no 'failed' killed (that would have been announced in the narration) and no attempt at a kill (as that would have been successful).

Unfortunately, at this stage, I am beginning to think it entirely possible that we may have lost the Seer.

Meister, why cast a vote for yourself? You are not a target (for now) and your vote may be valuable elsewhere.


i have to second scepticalscribe on this.
a self vote is almost always pointless

you are part of a team. you are expected, by your teammates and your adversaries, even the dead ones, to play to the best of your abilities to win the game. that is how the game gets fun.
there are very few situations where a self-vote is helping the team.
in any other case, vote for someone else

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can anyone post an update tally?
i would update the spreadsheet, but it is almost impossible on the iphone
 
i have to second scepticalscribe on this.
a self vote is almost always pointless

you are part of a team. you are expected, by your teammates and your adversaries, even the dead ones, to play to the best of your abilities to win the game. that is how the game gets fun.
there are very few situations where a self-vote is helping the team.
in any other case, vote for someone else

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can anyone post an update tally?
i would update the spreadsheet, but it is almost impossible on the iphone

Unfortunately, I am not entirely sure how accurate my own personal tally is. I will have to re-read some of the posts.
 
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