[WW] Friend... or foe? : GAME OVER WOLVES WIN

[Sythas]

Well, to be fair, now that the wolves know one of them is caught, do you really think they're going to post anything of substance?

that's what we will see. There's a good chance no one will post, but this time, if the cillager post a lot, the wolf should too. There's a pretty good chance that plan will fail, but at least we have one wolk!

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off to bed, see you all tomorrow

 

[twietee]

Interesting.

But what an extremely odd way to play it, Sythas. Not sure why you're so sure that the hunter is still alive, because of Moyank's "Vampire-Slasher" comment way back?

We do have to take into account that this is a bluff as I'm sure everybody does - so yea. Odd timing (Scanned two dead bodies so no 'reason' to come out earlier and just now, if we'd lynch the wrong person and would likely be done with this game, the Seer arrives. So two questions Sythas before I'm much more willingly following you: Why did you scan Rick? Why didn't you scan Meister?

And to the procedure: not sure what the real benefit for the village is - more smokescreens by the wolves? Maybe you don't think you have enough info to deduct who the partner is based on what happened during the game right now but the village as a whole can eventually make more of it. And that definitely would be a reason for everybody to participate just as well, but with caveat that we're not trying to guess who Sythas most likely scanned. A wasted discussion. I'm actually bound to say you have to out the ww immediately as to maximize our chances to check on that with some time at hand and not just blindly follow you when there is little time to second guess. In your own interest that is!

Too unfortunate you scanned two dead bodies though, if you really are the seer. Playing in the background (twiligth zone I called that earlier) can be interpreted both ways but also works in favor of your role of course.

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Nah, don't want to edit but scratch that why didn't you scan Meister question. Just had a coffee so still early for me.

 

[Melrose]

Interesting.

But what an extremely odd way to play it, Sythas. Not sure why you're so sure that the hunter is still alive, because of Moyank's "Vampire-Slasher" comment way back?

We do have to take into account that this is a bluff as I'm sure everybody does - so yea. Odd timing (Scanned two dead bodies so no 'reason' to come out earlier and just now, if we'd lynch the wrong person and would likely be done with this game, the Seer arrives. So two questions Sythas before I'm much more willingly following you: Why did you scan Rick? Why didn't you scan Meister?

And to the procedure: not sure what the real benefit for the village is - more smokescreens by the wolves? Maybe you don't think you have enough info to deduct who the partner is based on what happened during the game right now but the village as a whole can eventually make more of it. And that definitely would be a reason for everybody to participate just as well, but with caveat that we're not trying to guess who Sythas most likely scanned. A wasted discussion. I'm actually bound to say you have to out the ww immediately as to maximize our chances to check on that with some time at hand and not just blindly follow you when there is little time to second guess. In your own interest that is!

Too unfortunate you scanned two dead bodies though, if you really are the seer. Playing in the background (twiligth zone I called that earlier) can be interpreted both ways but also works in favor of your role of course.

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Nah, don't want to edit but scratch that why didn't you scan Meister question. Just had a coffee so still early for me.

Scanning dead players, to me, at least, doesn't compute. Scan the leaders. If you can hobble the leaders - in any group of people - you can sway the whole thing

 

[twietee]

Scanning dead players, to me, at least, doesn't compute. Scan the leaders. If you can hobble the leaders - in any group of people - you can sway the whole thing

Well, I have an idea who got possibly scanned (out of 2 people) but surely won't tell now. Not trusting Sythas just because I'm 'desparate' to find a wolf.

Dunno, but Pluto is a legit choice imo. Rick as well at the time, although a tad obvious.

 

[Sythas]

For Rick, I sent my order too soon, because I did not know if I was to be around the computer, and forgot to chane to Meister that night.

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Not that would have more to say now... :/

 

[Don't panic]

For Rick, I sent my order too soon, because I did not know if I was to be around the computer, and forgot to chane to Meister that night.

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Not that would have more to say now... :/

This smell fishy to me
Why would you scan either?
There where much more obvious candidates
In general i take people at their word, when they come out and i am generally inclined to believe you, but you could be pretending, and if we lynch the wrong person thw ww win with anight kill
So you need to be more convincing than 'i forgot to change orders'

Sorry for the typos (iphone)
Also it is the weekend, so i wouldn't expect a very lively discussion
Get to the point

 

[Sythas]

Not a wolf.

PLAYERS LEFT:
Moyank24
twietee
Sythas
Melrose
Queen of Spades
Don't panic

My personal list of suspects excludes myself (obviously) and Moyank. Which leaves me with:

twietee, Sythas, Melrose, and DP. Two of these four are wolves. I am holding off on bolding my vote for right now, for analytical reasons.

This smell fishy to me
Why would you scan either?
There where much more obvious candidates
In general i take people at their word, when they come out and i am generally inclined to believe you, but you could be pretending, and if we lynch the wrong person thw ww win with anight kill
So you need to be more convincing than 'i forgot to change orders'

Sorry for the typos (iphone)
Also it is the weekend, so i wouldn't expect a very lively discussion
Get to the point

As soon as Queen of spade finished her analyse of the situation, I'll post the name of my scan.

 

[Queen of Spades]

well, so i guess Queenofspades it is, then.
well played, but very high risk.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying it is Queen of spades that I scanned.

I'm not a wolf, and Sythas hasn't outright said this, but if he does he's absolutely lying. If you bold me today, we'll lose. Period. I need to catch up a bit, but please don't make this mistake.

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My vote is twietee, as it was my hope to pull this off with Moyank a day ago.

 

[Sythas]

I'm not a wolf, and Sythas hasn't outright said this, but if he does he's absolutely lying. If you bold me today, we'll lose. Period. I need to catch up a bit, but please don't make this mistake.

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My vote is twietee, as it was my hope to pull this off with Moyank a day ago.

ok thank you then.

The wolf is Don't Panic

 

[Queen of Spades]

Don't panic. You bastard. This pretty much ensures you'll never make it late in these games again, and that does kind of stink for you.

 

[Moyank24]

LOL

Let the games begin...

Don't Panic.

 

[twietee]

you guys are quick

DP

 

[Don't panic]

well, sythas,
i have to lift my virtual hat to you, and to your partner in crimes.
well planned and well played.

i suspected you were going to do something like this since you 'came out', but i was still hoping you would be genuine, so we'd get a WW in the nick of time.

i think it is obvious i am going to be lynched, and unless our hunter can pull of a save at the last minute, the we -the village- lost.

just make it loud and clear, i am not a wolf, so obviously sythas must be.
it makes sense he would pick the most obvious target, one that everyone was already primed to vote for based on -let me reiterate this once again- nothing. basically just my name.

we are six. 5 this evening. 4 after a successful nightkill, which means thew wolves win.
there is no lock and plenty of time. you can still change your vote until deadline, although i realize that is almost impossible anyone will, because it is easier this way, and no one wants to be the one who screwed it up.

but you all know sythas's story is scarcely believable.
everything conveniently lined up so that he didn't have any reason to come out early.

- the first obvious scan should have been his psychic teammate tomorrow, who unfortunately died on day 1.Without his help if i remember right, either during the day and in the tie break. i need to check the vote record, but he might be the only one not to give their partner the benefit of the doubt. i guess SS was right with the 'kill your twin' theory

-then he scans pluto - dead the same night

-then he scans rick. odd choice by any measure. although he really wanted to scan meister, an equally odd choice. - dead the same night.
really? not me, moyank, twietee, queeofospades or melrose? what an unlucky choice.

-finally you risk yet another night without any protection (after the ww already unexpectedly killed rick), and an additional full day of discussion, to come out with your 'revelation' just on a friday evening....

- and the revelation is really a shocking one: the person who 'shouldn't be there', and who is a 'natural vote' for everyone
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A set up. But a clever one, for which i applaud you and your partner

as on all weekends, i have limited access (now i am ona computer). but i will try to look at the votes and express an opinion. now that i know one wolf, we should be able to find traces about the second. i know you will ignore it now, and it will likely be useless, but -if the unlikely hunter save does occur- then you will know that my posts, if not necessarily correct, at least were in good faith.

before i do that i will just say that queenofspades was my top candidate, and sythas a close second, whereas melrose and twietee were equivalent (although i was taken aback by melrose snapping at a joke yesterday, and twietee's 'handling' of moyank's questioning was, well, a tad hairy.
now everuthing is changed, because with sythas being a wolfie, i can try to look for the second. too bad it will be too late, but there is always the "i told you so" bragging rights

and, if anything, it should at least put to rest the "dontpanicmustdieearly" meme for the future games.
that's my silver lining and I am sticking to it

 

[Queen of Spades]

-then he scans rick. odd choice by any measure. although he really wanted to scan meister, an equally odd choice. - dead the same night.
really? not me, moyank, twietee, queeofospades or melrose? what an unlucky choice.

This sticks out to me. You're right, the fact that he scanned *everyone* that died the next day is very suspicious - and none of the people I'd scan right off. I'm embarrassed to say I missed that in my relief that the seer was still alive and being helpful.

And if you know me, you'll know I don't give a flip about being shy in my votes, even if it means I screw something up. So my vote is very much in play here.

Why did you suspect me as your number 1 candidate, though?

 

[Don't panic]

This sticks out to me. You're right, the fact that he scanned *everyone* that died the next day is very suspicious - and none of the people I'd scan right off. I'm embarrassed to say I missed that in my relief that the seer was still alive and being helpful.

And if you know me, you'll know I don't give a flip about being shy in my votes, even if it means I screw something up. So my vote is very much in play here.

Why did you suspect me as your number 1 candidate, though?

nothing strong, like for sythas, but we do not have anything strong to go on.
some of it i already alluded to
uncharacteristically low profile. not in number of posts, but the tone of them, especially early on. very non-committal, as not to get involved and not allow any extraction of information later on. the tossed vote on SS on day two was very 'smelly' to me.
the only vote that made a difference was that for anjinha, but it was a tiebreak and you had to vote, and it was between two newbie villagers, so not much of an issue. in general, it didn't seem you wantede to get into any beef of any kind.
then there was the switcharoo business. while that could seem to help your villageritude (yes it is a word. from now.), it seemed cosmetic to me.
if you believed moyank was clear, as you claim, you could have simple changed your vote (although my opinion in this might have been affected by the fact that at that point i did believe SS was a wolfie

finally, of course, there is the simple fact that you are, well, alive
and while i fully realize that i argued against this reasoning in my case, it doesn't mean that it is completely off.
why were you not a target of the wolves on any of the previous nights?

 

[Sythas]

This sticks out to me. You're right, the fact that he scanned *everyone* that died the next day is very suspicious - and none of the people I'd scan right off. I'm embarrassed to say I missed that in my relief that the seer was still alive and being helpful.

And if you know me, you'll know I don't give a flip about being shy in my votes, even if it means I screw something up. So my vote is very much in play here.

Why did you suspect me as your number 1 candidate, though?

I did not suspect you, but now, you do seem in cahoot with DP.

 

[twietee]

I just don't trust any of you.

- his psychic teammate tomorrow, who unfortunately died on day 1.Without his help if i remember right, either during the day and in the tie break.

This is indeed strange. Sat on his Pluto vote during the day and said he had missed the deadline for OT. Sythas even posted this afterwards:

With twins PM, this game just got a little harder, since you can't trust your other half, but at the same time, want to protect anyway.

Didn't notice after teams were cleared.

 

[Sythas]

That's why I wanted everyone to talk more than usual. I really don't know for you QOS but your are screaming red. And earlier in this game, a couple of time DP said there's no way you could be a wolf because you helped Moyank, then you are able to count on Moyank's back to not vote for you.

 

[Queen of Spades]

Well, I have an idea who got possibly scanned (out of 2 people) but surely won't tell now. Not trusting Sythas just because I'm 'desparate' to find a wolf.

We're not desperate, though. The odds are in our favor, we just have to get this one. And trusting someone who comes out as the seer is the best choice, more often that not. It just so happens you and DP have pointed out a rather large flaw in logic/believability that needs to be addressed. Which brings me to..

I did not suspect you, but now, you do seem in cahoot with DP.

That's fine, you're now squarely in my crosshairs anyway. Why have you not defended your odd pattern of scan choices? You don't find it odd that every player you supposedly scanned died shortly thereafter, providing zero help to the village? Except now that you can be assured the seer is dead...you have a wolf. When it's either we find a wolf or die, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by "finding" one today.

Also fishy is the fact that you wanted to wait until everyone posted, that can definitely be construed as trying to leverage your lie as much as possible.

It just doesn't pass the smell test for me. Either DP got really lucky in the circumstances of the seer or you're full of it, Sythas.

 

[Sythas]

I just don't trust any of you.



This is indeed strange. Sythas even posted this afterwards:

Twietee, Tomorrow told me in PM that maybe he was a wolf, I would not helped him, but yes I would have scanned him....

 

[Melrose]

Well dadblum, he were my partner too!

On the odd chance this is a put-up, I'll just toss in my vote: Sythas so no-one can say I didn't at least try to cover the angles, if we lose and Sythas and Don't Panic are indeed BOTH wolves.

 

[Sythas]

We're not desperate, though. The odds are in our favor, we just have to get this one. And trusting someone who comes out as the seer is the best choice, more often that not. It just so happens you and DP have pointed out a rather large flaw in logic/believability that needs to be addressed. Which brings me to..



That's fine, you're now squarely in my crosshairs anyway. Why have you not defended your odd pattern of scan choices? You don't find it odd that every player you supposedly scanned died shortly thereafter, providing zero help to the village? Except now that you can be assured the seer is dead...you have a wolf. When it's either we find a wolf or die, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by "finding" one today.

Also fishy is the fact that you wanted to wait until everyone posted, that can definitely be construed as trying to leverage your lie as much as possible.

It just doesn't pass the smell test for me. Either DP got really lucky in the circumstances of the seer or you're full of it, Sythas.

And what are you saying the odd choice of the wolf?

 

[Queen of Spades]

Interesting.

But what an extremely odd way to play it, Sythas. Not sure why you're so sure that the hunter is still alive, because of Moyank's "Vampire-Slasher" comment way back?

Because when he doesn't die tonight, he'll need a reason?

And odd way to play it indeed, which is why I'm comfortable swapping. Lots of things in his explanations seem like cover-ups.

 

[Sythas]

Because when he doesn't die tonight, he'll need a reason?

And odd way to play it indeed, which is why I'm comfortable swapping. Lots of things in his explanations seem like cover-ups.

I think that with our kind of extented tie, the only person who could be the hunter and dead is Meister. They would have tell us that's the nice thing with me scanning the dead

 

[twietee]

We're not desperate, though. The odds are in our favor, we just have to get this one. And trusting someone who comes out as the seer is the best choice, more often that not.

Ok, desparate might be too strong but we kinda need to get this right. And of course I would have trusted him without too much second guessing if this weren't such a peculiar situation. Good we have still a whole day to make up our minds and that we don't have to worry about locking it.

But did you just skip the whole part inbetween him outing himself and then accusing DP? since you voted directly 4mins after that.