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I bought 200 shares in January. I'm up $7000. Doesn't bother me that I lost $400 bucks today.
And, don't forget the small print at the end where it talks about the risks and volitility in trading options.
I'd even short it from here, but I don't have the balls. Not that I don't like apple, or I'm predicting the demise of the company like some others here, but there's almost nothing that could have been said today that would have lived up the the sheer mass and diversity of dreams and expectations going in to this. The same is going to be true of the iPhone. It'll be great. I guarantee it, but at the end of the day, it's made of metal, and plastic, and silicon, and whatever TFT displays are made of...It's not magic.
I usually think that Mac Rumors contributors are too harsh on Apple when it doesn't hit a homerun, but ... the lack of iChat Mobile is disappointing. I still have the slimmest of hopes that it'll be on the iPhone. We'll find out for sure on June 29th.
Because unless I misunderstood something, they didn't say anything. Translation: want an app to be on the iPhone. Well, it's got a web browser, so if you write a web-based app, then, umm, people can browse it.
Well no sh*t Sherlock...erm...I mean Watson.
Oh, and one more thing. We have safari on windows now, so you don't need a mac...erm...where are we again...this isn't a web develper's conference.
Why even say anything. Surely I must be missing something. When is the video gonna be up. Maybe it got all fracked up in traslation.
Not hating here, just confused. Safari on Windows and writing web apps that work with safari is not, in my opinion, a "one more thing" announcement, that's all I'm sayin'.
Well no sh*t Sherlock...erm...I mean Watson.
Oh, and one more thing. We have safari on windows now, so you don't need a mac...erm...where are we again...this isn't a web develper's conference.
Why even say anything. Surely I must be missing something. When is the video gonna be up. Maybe it got all fracked up in traslation.
Not hating here, just confused. Safari on Windows and writing web apps that work with safari is not, in my opinion, a "one more thing" announcement, that's all I'm sayin'.
Windows developers without a mac can now develop iPhone-centric apps before they get an iPhone...
Mac and iPod and software and iTunes sales are recognized instantly. iPhone sales are recognized at 1/8 the price per quarter.
Rocketman
*after reading 3 pages of whiners*
I want to hear your opinion if you are a developer of software for the OSX platform. And I understand you care about WWDC.
If you own stock, I understand that you care, but I don't want to hear what you think.
If you don't own stock or develop software, I don't care how disapointed you were in the World Wide Developers Conference. So ****.
Honestly kids, people who make their living writing software for OSX paid a lot of money to go to a conferenece to hear about the future of their jobs, and learn something about developing software for it. They did not go to the keynote to learn how to use something, nor did they go to hear about the next version of iLife. They have workshops to attend, and they want to hear Steve talk about the future of the platform, which they did.
The rest of you ignorant little self centered brats who think Steve should be making your dream device and are pissing and moaning because he didn't announce your special device can seriousn'y jump off a cliff. I'm sick and tired of it. I want to join in on some constructive critisium on Apple products as a FUTURE OSX developer, and a possible WWDC attendy next year, but no, anything I say will get drowned in your bile.
Thank you for contributing to the human race. And yes, I'm well aware I'm venting and that I'm not contributing either. I blame you for that.
~Tyler
Earendil
I want to hear your opinion if you are a developer of software for the OSX platform. And I understand you care about WWDC.
If you own stock, I understand that you care, but I don't want to hear what you think.
If you don't own stock or develop software, I don't care how disapointed you were in the World Wide Developers Conference. So ****.
Honestly kids, people who make their living writing software for OSX paid a lot of money to go to a conferenece to hear about the future of their jobs, and learn something about developing software for it. They did not go to the keynote to learn how to use something, nor did they go to hear about the next version of iLife. They have workshops to attend, and they want to hear Steve talk about the future of the platform, which they did.
The rest of you ignorant little self centered brats who think Steve should be making your dream device and are pissing and moaning because he didn't announce your special device can seriousn'y jump off a cliff. I'm sick and tired of it. I want to join in on some constructive critisium on Apple products as a FUTURE OSX developer, and a possible WWDC attendy next year, but no, anything I say will get drowned in your bile.
Thank you for contributing to the human race. And yes, I'm well aware I'm venting and that I'm not contributing either. I blame you for that.
~Tyler
Earendil
Ok, I'm not particularly impressed by what we got out of WWDC, and I'm also disappointed by the way Apple is handling iPhone apps. That being said it isn't all bad. I think this is an opportunity to create iPhone specific clients for web services. I certainly think you'll be able to create an IM client, which a lot of people have been complaining is missing from the iPhone.
What I don't think this will allow you to do is file management on your device. You'll note that Jobs specifically did not mention the iPod in the list of things you can access. I think they will restrict access to the iPod and also restrict access to files on the device. This means you won't be able to use the built in iPod to stream video or audio.
Nor do I expect you will be able to save files onto your device and then access them via these Safari apps. For example you won't be able to save office documents and then edit them using google writer.
We also don't yet know what the full capabilities of safari on the iPhone are. If it supports the latest version of flash for example you can do a lot more, but you'll note that Steve specifically didn't mention flash as a web 2.0 technology that could be used.
My inclination is to agree with those who think this is a half assed attempt to provide third party apps. I was hoping for full widgets that have access to all of the device's resources, looks like we'll have to wait for that, if we ever get it.
What I don't think this will allow you to do is file management on your device. You'll note that Jobs specifically did not mention the iPod in the list of things you can access. I think they will restrict access to the iPod and also restrict access to files on the device. This means you won't be able to use the built in iPod to stream video or audio.
Nor do I expect you will be able to save files onto your device and then access them via these Safari apps. For example you won't be able to save office documents and then edit them using google writer.
We also don't yet know what the full capabilities of safari on the iPhone are. If it supports the latest version of flash for example you can do a lot more, but you'll note that Steve specifically didn't mention flash as a web 2.0 technology that could be used.
My inclination is to agree with those who think this is a half assed attempt to provide third party apps. I was hoping for full widgets that have access to all of the device's resources, looks like we'll have to wait for that, if we ever get it.
*after reading 3 pages of whiners*
I want to hear your opinion if you are a developer of software for the OSX platform. And I understand you care about WWDC.
If you own stock, I understand that you care, but I don't want to hear what you think.
If you don't own stock or develop software, I don't care how disapointed you were in the World Wide Developers Conference. So ****.
Honestly kids, people who make their living writing software for OSX paid a lot of money to go to a conferenece to hear about the future of their jobs, and learn something about developing software for it. They did not go to the keynote to learn how to use something, nor did they go to hear about the next version of iLife. They have workshops to attend, and they want to hear Steve talk about the future of the platform, which they did.
The rest of you ignorant little self centered brats who think Steve should be making your dream device and are pissing and moaning because he didn't announce your special device can seriousn'y jump off a cliff. I'm sick and tired of it. I want to join in on some constructive critisium on Apple products as a FUTURE OSX developer, and a possible WWDC attendy next year, but no, anything I say will get drowned in your bile.
Thank you for contributing to the human race. And yes, I'm well aware I'm venting and that I'm not contributing either. I blame you for that.
~Tyler
Earendil
I see you joined in 2003, and yet, you must be new here.
*after reading 3 pages of whiners*
The rest of you ignorant little self centered brats who think Steve should be making your dream device and are pissing and moaning because he didn't announce your special device can seriousn'y jump off a cliff. I'm sick and tired of it. I want to join in on some constructive critisium on Apple products as a FUTURE OSX developer, and a possible WWDC attendy next year, but no, anything I say will get drowned in your bile.
Finally, a post I can agree with
Too true..... way too much whining on here!
Haha, you'd think so huh? Every few years I have to vent my post keynote post whining rant in hopes at least a few people will consider their unfounded or uneducated whining before they hit submit.
However, since things aren't changing I suppose my rant becomes uneducated (becuase I *should* know it won't change anything) whining. Oh, the ironies of life...
developer access
the 14 year old kid that's spent a few too many nights reading up on web 2.0 stumbles across an idea for a super simple app that's going to change the world. He knocks it up within a few days and becomes a hero.
meanwhile, 'professional software developers' across the land remain void of any new ideas. They still cant get past the fact they didn't get an SDK at WWDC, and are wondering why Apple betrayed them so by dipping into the lowly waters of the web.
I don't know much, but I think this is great news.
Tight integration with Google services (including YouTube), perhaps extending this to .Mac / iWork syncing, and it's quite a neat device. For me at least.
the 14 year old kid that's spent a few too many nights reading up on web 2.0 stumbles across an idea for a super simple app that's going to change the world. He knocks it up within a few days and becomes a hero.
meanwhile, 'professional software developers' across the land remain void of any new ideas. They still cant get past the fact they didn't get an SDK at WWDC, and are wondering why Apple betrayed them so by dipping into the lowly waters of the web.
I don't know much, but I think this is great news.
Tight integration with Google services (including YouTube), perhaps extending this to .Mac / iWork syncing, and it's quite a neat device. For me at least.
Oftentimes I find myself writing out a long manifesto as well, and then I just say "Ah f*** it, I have better things to do than defend this post all night" and close the tab.
I sure hope that kid has a heckuva host server package, because the bandwidth costs of hosting a popular "Web 2.0" application will be more than he'll spend on college.
Have you looked at the cost of some colleges these days?
Somehow I don't think it's quite the same... However, it could easily beat out a state school me thinks.
Have you looked at the cost of some colleges these days?
Somehow I don't think it's quite the same... However, it could easily beat out a state school me thinks.
My point was that limiting iPhone apps to "over the air" applications is nuts.
*after reading 3 pages of whiners*
I want to hear your opinion if you are a developer of software for the OSX platform. And I understand you care about WWDC.
If you own stock, I understand that you care, but I don't want to hear what you think.
If you don't own stock or develop software, I don't care how disapointed you were in the World Wide Developers Conference. So ****.
Honestly kids, people who make their living writing software for OSX paid a lot of money to go to a conferenece to hear about the future of their jobs, and learn something about developing software for it. They did not go to the keynote to learn how to use something, nor did they go to hear about the next version of iLife. They have workshops to attend, and they want to hear Steve talk about the future of the platform, which they did.
The rest of you ignorant little self centered brats who think Steve should be making your dream device and are pissing and moaning because he didn't announce your special device can seriousn'y jump off a cliff. I'm sick and tired of it. I want to join in on some constructive critisium on Apple products as a FUTURE OSX developer, and a possible WWDC attendy next year, but no, anything I say will get drowned in your bile.
Thank you for contributing to the human race. And yes, I'm well aware I'm venting and that I'm not contributing either. I blame you for that.
~Tyler
Earendil
Some sanity for once. I too am guilty of whinning about this WWDC, but I would encourage many of you to view the Apple info about Leopard on their page. It is rather impressive.
I have concluded that we will see a touch based OS in the next year or two. This just the beginning of the future so to speak.
I lost $7000 in aapl value today. I don't give it sh** since in 5 years I will join that other guy who now owns over $2 million worth of aapl.
Apple is an incredible company and many here are spoiled including myself about what we expect from Steve Jobs.
The Lack of No new hardware as dissapointing as it might be, tells me that what I have learned in Marketing 101. Product life cycle is only as good as its length. iMacs are selling well so if we have to wait another month that would be OK, given the margin on these babies.
Leopard and iPhone will not make Apple the killer company but rather contribute to long lists of great innovation that made them a killer company for the last 20 years.
Valid criticism, not just a "piss and moan"' and "don't buy one then" comment.
A really dull Keynote, only because it got over hyped as some special event and people wished for new hardware and wondering where iLife 08 is. Jobs has painted himself into a corner with Keynote hype, they can't all be dazzling and revolutionary. A solid keynote for developers, but not a "KEYNOTE!!!" Jobs really should have avoided the "One last thing" routine when announcing (yawn) Safari on Windows. The "one last thing" needs to be kept in reserve for the really good announcements, otherwise it becomes a devalued gimmick. My Powerbook G4 has had the not uncommon lower RAM slot failure, so I'm perhaps feeling more negative about apple than normal... But the iphone in this first version is pretty...useless. It can't send a photo to another phone without using email? For business where you need to send images fast to clients on the road, searching for a free wifi spot in a rural area isn't going to cut it. Wait for the 2nd updated iPhone and most of these niggles should be resolved, perhaps when it's 3G. First versions of most things in life tend to disappoint... Still I've never wanted a phone more than I desire the iphone, even with it's flaws.
What I want Apple to announce is when exactly the new ipod is coming. I waited for my last one and two weeks later a new colour version came out. Now I'm desperate for a replacement, but the 5G versions are so last year. If I have to wait any longer I might buy a Zune (chokes on vomit, not even funny as a joke). At least the 6G will arrive in the UK before the Zune does. I'll shut up now, as I'm going off topic. It's my birthday today and I'm a little giddy, sorry... Be nice, I'm old now...
I'll have someone there(I'll be away) at 6PM make sure I have my iPhone!
God,typing those word, I get giddy!!
(I think I'm a loser, but I don't care!!)
God,typing those word, I get giddy!!
(I think I'm a loser, but I don't care!!)
I can't say that I'm disappointed, but I guess this can be attributed to my lack of susceptibility to hype Who needs to be wowed nowadays anyway? Besides, Apple has yet to release new hardware other than beefy mbp's. If a little slack in the Leopard/iPhone keynote is the worst we should suffer this year, I guess it's not all so bad.
Who needs to be wowed nowadays anyway? Besides, Apple has yet to release new hardware other than beefy mbp's. If a little slack in the Leopard/iPhone keynote is the worst we should suffer this year, I guess it's not all so bad. 
Lame Keynote, nice Leopard features
My quick take:
Very lame keynote even if it was for devs. Showed only two new quite major features in Leopard, while the Leopard website has at least another dozen really awesome features.
I am a dev with ADC Select, but did not go to WWDC. Leopard is a huge deal. The only reason this was a lame keynote was because instead of talking about dev specific new things in leopard or Server or if he must, talking about the other Leopard features features that the public hasn't seen, he talked about 8 things he talked about Last Year. And the iPhone 'SDK' is near, but not totally worthless.
My quick take:
Very lame keynote even if it was for devs. Showed only two new quite major features in Leopard, while the Leopard website has at least another dozen really awesome features.
I am a dev with ADC Select, but did not go to WWDC. Leopard is a huge deal. The only reason this was a lame keynote was because instead of talking about dev specific new things in leopard or Server or if he must, talking about the other Leopard features features that the public hasn't seen, he talked about 8 things he talked about Last Year. And the iPhone 'SDK' is near, but not totally worthless.
I have to agree with this. Most large businesses want their apps available from a web browser, it's easier to maintain. Salesforce.com on an iPhone, the Google apps should work as well. If I were a sales guy, and could at least look at Office docs, maybe server a powerpoint from it, then I would want one.
*after reading 3 pages of whiners*
I want to hear your opinion if you are a developer of software for the OSX platform. And I understand you care about WWDC.
If you own stock, I understand that you care, but I don't want to hear what you think.
If you don't own stock or develop software, I don't care how disapointed you were in the World Wide Developers Conference. So ****.
Honestly kids, people who make their living writing software for OSX paid a lot of money to go to a conferenece to hear about the future of their jobs, and learn something about developing software for it. They did not go to the keynote to learn how to use something, nor did they go to hear about the next version of iLife. They have workshops to attend, and they want to hear Steve talk about the future of the platform, which they did.
The rest of you ignorant little self centered brats who think Steve should be making your dream device and are pissing and moaning because he didn't announce your special device can seriousn'y jump off a cliff. I'm sick and tired of it. I want to join in on some constructive critisium on Apple products as a FUTURE OSX developer, and a possible WWDC attendy next year, but no, anything I say will get drowned in your bile.
Thank you for contributing to the human race. And yes, I'm well aware I'm venting and that I'm not contributing either. I blame you for that.
~Tyler
Earendil
Sheesh what a whiner.