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WWDC Keynote Summary

New names for Mac's

iMac= Intel puts the "i" in iMac

Matel= Kind of like the toy company..... hehe


Seriously IMO this marks the death toll for Apple hardware.
Why anyone would continue to buy Mac's (with INTEL Inside) for a higher price than a Compaq/HP... Dell....Toshiba... Gateway etc is beyond comprehension.

IMO... I still think this may turn out to be the best for Apple shareholders in the long run. Lets face it the real money is in software sales not hardware.
OS X is the first real competitor to Windows and has a reasonable chance to take a very large market share on X86.
Only time will tell.
 
Prom1 said:
Intel will surely make good on 1st/2nd generation cpu's, but when customers aren't switching in hopeful numbers to Apple, or shall I say when customers dont upgrade quickly on Mac, the cork-screw from Intel will begin. Jobs basically said that current products are not the best hardware for their customers; so when this rollover doesnt pan out then they will have nowhere to turn. I'm hoping for the best but I worry.
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That's a good point. If Intel won't deliver for Apple, then the only place to turn would be to AMD.

As far as the timing, I don't know if there is a better time really. Apple has their cash cow iPod, and really good press for Tiger. I think that will help them make it through the hard times that are sure to come, as far as hardware sales go.

I was thinking of upgrading late this year to the latest and greatest Powermac from my current Dual G5. Jeez, not now, I'm going to ride this sucker for as long as I can until the Intel Macs(! still feels weird typing that) ship.
 
Zeekium said:
so should i buy a iMac G5 or wait until next year?
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It means you should buy a PC now instead of a Mac, or else you are screwed and stuck with a computer with no future.
 
So much for Apple using the Freescale chip in its PowerBooks and iBooks. And what about the Cell chip?
 
Mike Teezie said:
That's a good point. If Intel won't deliver for Apple, then the only place to turn would be to AMD.

As far as the timing, I don't know if there is a better time really. Apple has their cash cow iPod, and really good press for Tiger. I think that will help them make it through the hard times that are sure to come, as far as hardware sales go.

I was thinking of upgrading late this year to the latest and greatest Powermac from my current Dual G5. Jeez, not now, I'm going to ride this sucker for as long as I can until the Intel Macs(! still feels weird typing that) ship.
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Just type "Mattel" to represent the toy company they will be.....:)
 
Leopard vs. Longhorn

Interesting that we'll see Tiger on x86, and not have to wait for Leopard.

Leopard.

Leopard!

I don't know why that name is funny to me. :D
 
What am I supposed to do with my superdrive iBook G4 I bought a couple months ago?

Will it even be supported 2 years from now?

Damn it to blazes!
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~loserman~ said:
Why anyone would continue to buy Mac's (with INTEL Inside) for a higher price than a Compaq/HP... Dell....Toshiba... Gateway etc is beyond comprehension.
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They'll buy Macs because OS X is still going to be designed to run on Apple hardware, NOT universally on all kinds of hardware the way Windows does.

And that's how it should be--it makes OS X a better product if it isn't bloated with support for additional harware and a chaotic array of special situations etc.

Apple can take that step too someday if they want to--sell OS X to anyone with any PC, and SUPPORT it (a nightmare)--but I'm not rooting for it.

(Yes, people will hack it to run, but that won't be for your average end-user.)

In addition, when you find a cheaper PC of similar speed to a Mac, it's generally cheaper because it's missing some things! People can grasp that Firewire, DVI, software bundles, etc. make one computer cost more than another.
 
I'm glad to see Quicktime 7 available to Windows. It won't be long before I can post sample videos using H.264 and many people will be able to view them. This switch to Intel is crazy.
 
What happens to the powerbook G5 now. Unless they're pretty close to getting the G5 in a powerbook, it would make more sense to me to move straight to the pentium M.

I was all ready to buy an ibook for when I go to college, but this turn of events combined with the fact that it's looking less and less like the ibook is going to be updated to the specs I wan't (mainly a higher res screen). So now I'm either going to get a thinkpad or build my own desktop so I can run Archlinux(I kind of like Arch better than OS X in some aspects).
 
Switch to Intel: Meh, doesn't seem like as big a deal as it's being made into. Apple certainly won't drop G5 support for a LOOOONG time as it would hurt their software sales too much. And the good news is that when it's time for me to buy a laptop in 2007, it won't still be a 1.5 Ghz G4.
I was happy to hear that Leapard is planned for 2006/early 2007, as I think that it'll completely rule Longhorn at that point - Spotlight will have evolved into so much more. And again, the timing is perfect - I'll be able to score it on my 2007 laptop along with iLife '07 (God that sounds weird).
The iPod podcasting interface I'm exciting to see in the stream - I want to see Apple's take on this.
Although I'm a bit upset that no products came out. No iSight or Airport Express 2, no new shuffles or iBooks (although I had my doubts about those). I mean the Apple homepage hasn't changed in forever! Oh wait, it's a link to widgets now. Gosh! Ever exciting (actually their redesigned widget browser is nice though).
And MacWorld Paris is in September? Let's hope Tuesdays bring good things.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
Yeah I know...that is the FUNNIEST website on the world wide web right now! Oh Apple you crack me up sometimes. Please if anyone on here works for Apple have that site taken down. It makes you look like a huge hypocrite and really makes your choice of Intel look pretty dumb to the average consumer.
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i disagree. look, correct me if i'm wrong, but just because steve jobs said they've been running os x on an x86 chip, that doesn't mean they're necessarily going to be using a pentium or any other existing chip. That's precisely why he said it's going to take a couple years and it's not going to be a cheap move.

i'd be really surprised if the next generation mac runs on an existing chip. that would be highly uncharacteristic of apple.

so, no, the pentium bashing isn't hypocritical. and i don't think Apple ever formall bashed intel, or even microsoft for that matter. they just show the benchmarks and claim to be faster than a pentium. which is true. And so NO WAY will they put a f@cking pentium in a mac. come on people! intel is going to build a new processor, just like ibm did.

let's all try to be ABOVE average consumers, ok? if you want a mac, and need one now, go get one. anyone who's been in the market knows you can ALWAYS wait for the next best thing.
 
Apple does stuff right.

Looking at the statistics in this article, it's clear that Apple is doing quite a few things right. I can't say I agree with the transition to the Intel Chips, but who knows, it might be the right move.
 
Excellent News!

Leopard, what a brilliant name! (How does a Leopard change its Spots?, old Rudyard Kipling Tale)

Anyway, I think this is good news for us all. The PPC chip was stagnating and we weren't seeing faster chips coming out, or G5 for the portables. Like Steve said, they've had OS X running on Intel chips for 5 years now, so you know it will be just as solid and reliable as it is on our current machines.

The fact that they are using Rosetta means that all our PPC apps will run on the new Intel Macs, and the fact that if you use X-Code to develop, it's really easy to create a FAT Binary that will run on both platforms means that we don't need to worry about compatibility issues.

This will also mean an end to all those Big-Endian, Little-Endian issues, (Programmers will know what I mean, it was a pain for cross development)

To all those of you saying my brand new machines is now obsolete, that's not the case. Your current machine is no more or less obsolete than it would be if Steve had just announced a 4Ghz G5 Powerbook, or a G6 Powermac. Your current machine will still boot up in the morning, and the software will still run. Rosetta should mean that even the apps compiled for Intel chips will run on the PPC chips so there is no problem.

And don't view Rosetta as some sort of Virtual PC or Classic type emulation, it is som much better than that it's almost unbelievable.

No more being held to ransom by IBM and thier slow development of the PPC chips.

Oh, and even if Apple were to allow OS X to run on any old DELL machine, which they won't, the experience would be nothing like it is on a propper Apple Machine wheather it has PPC, Intel or Goblins as a CPU, so don't worry about that happening either.
 
Use it...

LaMerVipere said:
What am I supposed to do with my superdrive iBook G4 I bought a couple months ago?

Will it even be supported 2 years from now?

Damn it to blazes!
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USE IT...Jeeezz, why did you buy it?

Didn't anyone read the Keynote blogs..."universal binaries"...software for both platforms delivered on 1 CD...

TMO [1:38 PM] Developers applauded Steve when he said that both processors would be supported for a long time to come, and the core to this will be universal binaries. - posted by Dave

I bought a Dual G5 2.3 this afternoon, it's still the best computer on the planet, AND I expect to use it for a "long time"...
 
I really don't see what the big deal is. Look at your Mac and imagine that it has an Intel processor inside. Big deal. Apple isn't about to start making generic boxes or anything. Relax.

Watch the keynote. The developers there didn't seem to care much. Why should you? This means better processors. This means we will actual get a PowerBook that's worth a damn. Obviously the PowerPC roadmap looked like crap, especially for portables which as you may have heard outsold desktops this past year. Cell is not a good chip for personal computers. IBM has failed to deliver 3.0 Ghz chips to Apple. Why should they sit around any longer? Why should they just let the company die? They needed to do this and this was the time to do it.

By the way, can some Mac Genius figure out how to actually download the keynote as opposed to just streaming it? I know there used to be a secret way of doing this but I can't figure it out.


http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jun/wwdc2005/wwdc_2005_1_h264_all_ref.mov

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rtsp://a2047.v1411b.c1411.g.vq.akamaistream.net/5/2047/1411/1_h264_650/ 1a1a1ae454c430950065de4cbb2f94c226950c7ae655b61a48
a91475e243acda3dac194879adde0f/wwdc_2005_1c_h264_650.mov
 
Panther, Tiger, Leopard...

Who would have thought that Apple and German Main Battle Tank engineers think alike?

(I hope it is just a coincidence... it BETTER be.)
 
Guys ... I dont understand you !

Yes the PowerMacs with G5 are fast !!! And they wil lget even fast 3 ghz in winter etc. but ... The Centrino is the architecture of the future ! Intel said the future Desktop chips wont be Pentium likes this will be centrino technic !!!

And imagine a Centrino with 3 ghz and Dual core this chip will blow any CPU away !

The Dothan Chip now has 2MB L2 Cache and 533mhz bus and only 2,1 GHz THIS AMAZING CHIP HAS MORE FEATURES than any G4 need less POWER !!!!! And is as fast as a P4 3,4 GHZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you want ???????

Know imagine a Centrino with 3 ghz and Dual core this will blow a G5 because this CENTRINO WILL USE OS X thats the point he will show his DUAL powerin the best SYSTEM on the PLANTE ! not on windows !


Apple bechmarks are Win vs OS X !!! OS X is fast in Photoshop a pentium in OS X would show better iam sure ! And even Dual CPU benchmarks are unfair ! Windows cant handel 2 CPU right ... not far as good as OS X.

And dont forget about all technics DDR2 ... PCI-E ... USB ... this comes from Intel ... They bring up this things And this will help Apple to own the fastest Computers on Planet. G4 was very n1 when he appeard also the G5 and the Centrino future and Intel CPUs (not P4) will bring us speed crown too !

And Steve is right ! I turns about the System and we hae the best Operating system !
 
Just to state my point as a g5 owner and a computer person since 1983.

just like Xeon and Pentium are similar, yet require different chipsets to function, so could this next generation x86 chip. If they made Osx run on only the next variation of Xeon, it wouldnt be quite the insult to own an Apple you are worried about. There are many levels of computers for PCs, not just Dell and homemade. People buy computers of all values and for different reasons.

For all we know, a year from now, 90nM or 65nM even chips with dual cores, hyperthreading, dual channel ddr3 and optical hard drives could be the next workstation class machine. Not at 10Ghz or anything, but still, its not the cpu that really slows a system down, its everything that connects to the system bus and the bus speed itself. More cache, and better peripherals could make this next generation amazing. So chill, you are going to want to sell anything you buy after long enough.

Now that I have said that, if Apple released g5s with the same cpu and ddr2 800, full clock speed system bus and support for sataII hard drives, it would be a better system. And worth buying. And very possible, it wouldnt require nearly as much capital to revise the motherboards. The memory and other components are 3rd party afterall. Or a PCI express video card and slot! That would be nice.

The next mac Os will work on g5s for sure. Its been stated already, so thats at least two more years for my system. And only because its not a dual, would I consider getting a g5 in the interim. I think Apple will upgrade the system specs once more, and roll back the prices once and only once.
 
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