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WWDC Keynote Summary

This is getting more and more like a Star Wars movie with every thread I read. First we're led to believe Intel are part of the enemy, and we need the power of the IBM to protect us. But now it turns out that IBM are the dark side, and Intel are on our side. I'm confused, are clones good or bad? ;)
 
1984 said:
I really don't see what the big deal is. Look at your Mac and imagine that it has an Intel processor inside. Big deal. Apple isn't about to start making generic boxes or anything. Relax.

Watch the keynote. The developers there didn't seem to care much. Why should you? This means better processors. This means we will actual get a PowerBook that's worth a damn. Obviously the PowerPC roadmap looked like crap, especially for portables which as you may have heard outsold desktops this past year. Cell is not a good chip for personal computers. IBM has failed to deliver 3.0 Ghz chips to Apple. Why should they sit around any longer? Why should they just let the company die? They needed to do this and this was the time to do it.

By the way, can some Mac Genius figure out how to actually download the keynote as opposed to just streaming it? I know there used to be a secret way of doing this but I can't figure it out.


http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jun/wwdc2005/wwdc_2005_1_h264_all_ref.mov

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rtsp://a2047.v1411b.c1411.g.vq.akamaistream.net/5/2047/1411/1_h264_650/ 1a1a1ae454c430950065de4cbb2f94c226950c7ae655b61a48
a91475e243acda3dac194879adde0f/wwdc_2005_1c_h264_650.mov
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Man, I'd love to know how to download it too. I've been trying my best to use the stream of it, but it just is refusing to work on my computer. Does anyone have any tips? I've played around w/the streaming settings quite a bit and still nothing :( No matter how decently it starts working, it always times out.

Ironically, it was working better on RealPlayer than QT...
 
Cybernanga said:
No more being held to ransom by IBM and thier slow development of the PPC chips.
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I'm not sure it's really IBM's fault here. They seem to have developed some rather good chips for Sony and Microsoft recently given enough money. Maybe Apple just didn't want to pay that much and so have decided that the only way to match the Intel based PCs is to have an Intel chip in there.

It means they have no development costs to pay for their own CPU. Their Macs are always going to be as fast as the competition. It does mean that Macs are never going to be faster than PCs now and with the larger OS overhead and GCC's poor code optimisation, I'd bet on Macs being slower with the same CPU. Now we don't have Altivec to pull us through on certain tasks.

But it does seem like they're taking out a Porsche engine and installing a Ford, and that rankles.
 
actually this is good for the POWER architecture

..IBM can now go directly to a CELL PROCESSING CHIP and not worry whether Apple uses any of their chips or not.

MOTO was the victim..and they don't know it yet.

Intel might have been on the ropes IF IBM could have delivered the cooler laptop chips...but neither IBM Semi, Moto Semi, or Intel
Semi wants to miss out on the Cell Patents..they are circleing the wagons for Cell...and attempting to keep the patents "US Bound"...hint hint..neither MS,
Intel, IBM or any other US Co. is the enemy gang.

Who is?

China.

WW
 
Mike Teezie said:
That's a good point. If Intel won't deliver for Apple, then the only place to turn would be to AMD.

As far as the timing, I don't know if there is a better time really. Apple has their cash cow iPod, and really good press for Tiger. I think that will help them make it through the hard times that are sure to come, as far as hardware sales go.

I was thinking of upgrading late this year to the latest and greatest Powermac from my current Dual G5. Jeez, not now, I'm going to ride this sucker for as long as I can until the Intel Macs(! still feels weird typing that) ship.
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Intel will deliver for Apple because they will be delivering the same chips to every other PC manufacturer.
 
iGary said:
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That is based on what is currently available. I think the G4-based Macs will be the first to switch to Intel next year, with the Power Mac, Xserve, and iMac switching over in 2007. Obviously whatever Intel will have in 2007 will be much faster than the current G5s, so that graph is meaningless.

There is also no reason to not buy a PPC Mac today, since they will be supported until at least the end of 2008, probably longer for the major software developers. If you are planning to buy a laptop next year, then I would wait for Apple's first a "Mactel".
 
Prom1 said:
I too was in denial!

…Apple, IBM, Motorola all formed the AIM Alliance; the 1st generation of cpu's from Motorola insulted Apple Corporation & its customers (remember the promised 450/500/550Mhz cpu's, instead shipped 400/450/500Mhz at the same price)!!
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Correction: You're talking about the FOURTH generation of PPC chips, the G4. There was the 601, 603/603e, the 604/604e and the G3 before that, which all were stellar performers in thier day.
 
QuickTime 7 for Windows is a 'public preview' release for now. Interesting is that QT7 Pro on Windows can be automated via VBScript. I'm not that suprised Apple has decided to switch to Intel chips (hopefully better Powerbooks).
 
aegisdesign said:
It does mean that Macs are never going to be faster than PCs now and with the larger OS overhead and GCC's poor code optimisation, I'd bet on Macs being slower with the same CPU. Now we don't have Altivec to pull us through on certain tasks.

But it does seem like they're taking out a Porsche engine and installing a Ford, and that rankles.
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Huh?

I would like to see some numbers on that subject. From what I understand XP has much more bloat code when compared to OS X.

Did they announce that we were going to see full intel chipsets in the next macintosh models that will run on X86? It is possible, but I believe that MacOS systems are going to have more then a unique BIOS and a minor Firware change to keep them Macintosh. I would assume (and hope) that the Apple computers will simply just use intel processors, and still make their own system boards and have their own unique hardware requirements.
 
aafuss1 said:
QuickTime 7 for Windows is a 'public preview' release for now. Interesting is that QT7 Pro on Windows can be automated via VBScript. I'm not that suprised Apple has decided to switch to Intel chips (hopefully better Powerbooks).
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I can't find where to download it...
 
Devastated

I can't believe there was no mention of Tetris in the iTunes and iPod portion of the keynote!

This is shocking. Unbelievable. Criminal! How could Jobs let his loyal customers down like that?

That's it, I'm never going to listen to music again! :mad:
 
please someone who gets to listen to the whole wwdc keynote can put it as a downloadable file... there is some people (i am one) who can't get to view it complete or at all because they have older versions of quicktime, slow connections, or simply doesn't work...
 
iMeowbot said:
I can't believe there was no mention of Tetris in the iTunes and iPod portion of the keynote!

This is shocking. Unbelievable. Criminal! How could Jobs let his loyal customers down like that?

That's it, I'm never going to listen to music again! :mad:
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LOL

well I think you will get by :)
 
I think people should stop worrying about how Apple is moving to Intel chips. If I had the money now for an iMac G5, I'd go for it. And considering that I've got support for my PowerBook for years to come with those universal binaries, I'm pretty stoked.

What I now want to know is: will this make it easier to put games on a Mac?
 
could people please stop watching the keynote!!!!!?? the video is so jerky it's impossible to follow. apple should add some more servers there to stream the video ;P
 
Windowlicker said:
could people please stop watching the keynote!!!!!?? the video is so jerky it's impossible to follow. apple should add some more servers there to stream the video ;P
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Is there any way a person can make a torrent of it? Because that would be great, even though I've got DSL. I can't wait up all night to see if it will connect.
 
after watching the keynote, i don't see the logic about the fuss consumers are making (i can understand why developers might be a little pissed off but they seemed to clap and cheer a lot for a bunch of pissed off people).

if you buy an imac G5 today, then you'll still be able to run everything for years to come because of the dual binaries. basically the only reason you have not to buy an imac today (besides not having the money or the need for one) is because you now know that between now and 2007 they will be updated, but that is a given anyway. the powermacs are not going to be left unsupported for many years to come because there are just too many people running them. when apple say that the transition will take two years, they mean the transition of their product line up, not that in two years they expect everyone to toss out their imac G5s and switch to intel.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
Sorry dude, you still have a nice computer. You are not alone everyone elses Macs resale value just hit the floor.
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Im sorry but your argumentation is way too simplistic. Firstly, the resale value of an item is always linked to the retail value of the same item lowered by a certain percentage depending on the age of the item. Second, you are assuming, for resale prices to drop that demand for used items will drop. It is more likely exactly the opposite will happen in first instance. Many people that were thinking to buy a new powerbook will settle for a second hand one as they plan to move towards a next computer sooner then expected (say instead of 5 years they plan to buy a new one 3 years down the road). On the other hand, supply will also increase as many people that were thinking of buying a replacement for their mac next year, will do it now because they can't afford waiting any longer, and buying a new one next year will indeed be throwing away your money. Those customers will replace the ones that will opt for a second hand one.
So my prediction: Mac sales will stay pretty much stable the first 4-6 months but will start to plummit from next year on. Resale value will stay pretty much stable untill shortly for the actual transition to x86 will take place.
 
i suspect that for the past five years keynotes have been given on intel machines. if i was steve i would have done that.
 
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