lucas said:
Try changing your bandwidth settings on Quicktime. 56k (default for some) settings result in postage stamp video sizes..
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Try changing your bandwidth settings on Quicktime. 56k (default for some) settings result in postage stamp video sizes..
I have a couple of comments/questions after watching the keynote video:
1. The crowd was pretty quiet during the Intel announcement. I think that indicated mixed feelings.
2. Steve kept dragging windows around his screen and the zoomed projected view had trouble keeping up. I haven't noticed that happening so much during keynotes before. Was it Steve's fault or the "cameraperson's" fault?
3. Why did people laugh for a moment when Steve was panning/zooming in his photo library while showing a bunch of apps after revealing he was using a Macintel system?
4. The Microsoft Macintosh Business Unit representative couldn't have been more wooden while reading a platitude-filled press release. It makes you appreciate Steve's talent for showmanship.
5. The vague measure of "performance per watt" was a little odd. I'm surprised he didn't say "gflops per watt" or some other slightly-better-defined term, or perhaps mention a specific benchmark. After all, he was talking to techies.
6. The first question you'd ask about technology like Rosetta is "How fast does a Rosetta'ed app run compared to a native app?" but Steve didn't mention that topic at all. Did he not have enough time or was it not good enough to boast about?
1. The crowd was pretty quiet during the Intel announcement. I think that indicated mixed feelings.
2. Steve kept dragging windows around his screen and the zoomed projected view had trouble keeping up. I haven't noticed that happening so much during keynotes before. Was it Steve's fault or the "cameraperson's" fault?
3. Why did people laugh for a moment when Steve was panning/zooming in his photo library while showing a bunch of apps after revealing he was using a Macintel system?
4. The Microsoft Macintosh Business Unit representative couldn't have been more wooden while reading a platitude-filled press release. It makes you appreciate Steve's talent for showmanship.
5. The vague measure of "performance per watt" was a little odd. I'm surprised he didn't say "gflops per watt" or some other slightly-better-defined term, or perhaps mention a specific benchmark. After all, he was talking to techies.
6. The first question you'd ask about technology like Rosetta is "How fast does a Rosetta'ed app run compared to a native app?" but Steve didn't mention that topic at all. Did he not have enough time or was it not good enough to boast about?
There is something really wrong with that stream, audio and video sync keep drifting by as much as several seconds at times. The lag may be illusory. (same goes for timing on laughter)Doctor Q said:
Roz Ho is, in fact, made entirely of wood.
I'll bet 3 gigahertz that Steve Jobs will never, ever again announce performance numbers for a future CPU
The written documentation goes so far as to say that Rosetta shouldn't be used for software that does lots of computation and not so much user interaction. That happens to match the claims from Transitive pretty well, that most of the magic would come from matching library calls to their native code equivalents. This is pretty much exactly how things worked with the transition to PowerPC. The conversion between 64 and 80 bits for floating point has to hurt.
Doctor Q said:
Steve was nervous using this computer a few times during the keynote. When Photoshop opened he excused the system...I think the laugh from the developers when he opened his photo library was more of a nervous response when things seemed to bog down a bit. Have YOU ever seen Steve make any excuses for the speed at which apps open or telling us he haid "4000" pictures so it might take awhile?
Imagine the PR nightmare if that thing would have crashed on stage? A G5 goes down on stage it could have been laughed off, because people know it was a fluke. A Macintel goes down on stage when he is trying to sell everyone on this latest and greatest system? Not good.
I have been thinking about that statistic showing ibm vs intel integer performance per watts (in the next few years) as well, as it did not sit quite well with me when i first saw it on the keynote address. This statistic was plain PR spin IMHO.
Nobody can predict the integer performance of a chip before it is an actual product, and the energy consumption is even harder to predict with many different factors playing a role. If he can predict the performance of both future product portfolios that exact he could have also seen it coming that the G5 would top off sooner than expected.
Of course, it could be he is basing himself on estimates given by both intel and ibm but who is to say whether one corporation (IBM) has a more conservative prediction (in light of earlier promises that they did not manage to fulfill) whilst the other has somewhat inflated predictions in the hope of winning Apple over as a new customer?
I watched the WWDC keynote address and it was so full of spin it made me feel pretty akward, if not sick. I have a hard time to believe the ease with which so many people around here let themselves convince about this transition when it is so obviously a strategical decision (based on peoples perception of performance and familiarity with intel and the x86 platform), not a tactical one (based on actual performance).
His argument (non plural) for this transition was just too vague and underexposed for it to be the real reason.
Nobody can predict the integer performance of a chip before it is an actual product, and the energy consumption is even harder to predict with many different factors playing a role. If he can predict the performance of both future product portfolios that exact he could have also seen it coming that the G5 would top off sooner than expected.
Of course, it could be he is basing himself on estimates given by both intel and ibm but who is to say whether one corporation (IBM) has a more conservative prediction (in light of earlier promises that they did not manage to fulfill) whilst the other has somewhat inflated predictions in the hope of winning Apple over as a new customer?
I watched the WWDC keynote address and it was so full of spin it made me feel pretty akward, if not sick. I have a hard time to believe the ease with which so many people around here let themselves convince about this transition when it is so obviously a strategical decision (based on peoples perception of performance and familiarity with intel and the x86 platform), not a tactical one (based on actual performance).
His argument (non plural) for this transition was just too vague and underexposed for it to be the real reason.
Abercrombieboy said:
Yes the waiting for PS to open with Steve making those noises to fill the time was pretty akward. When I saw it I was thinking how that would be a perfect moment to throw in a little joke as he did on many other occasions during the presentation. He could have stressed the "enough" from the fast (enough) comment about Rosetta to break the tension. But I'm just nitpicking. The rest of the presentation was unrivalled.
Abercrombieboy said:
I think everyone knows that iPhoto is kind of slow, and there seemed to be a bit that "yeah, yeah I know" in there.
The Photoshop demo really wasn't that bad IMHO. Start times on Adobe products are nasty already, and plugins can be finicky to load. That it ran without incident was even more impressive than the fact that it wasn't so slow as to be unusable.
On the nerves in general, that's easy! Eight years later, people still keep bringing up Microsoft's plug and play demo with the blue screen (see? I just brought it up!) -- and Win98 wasn't even really an all new product.
That programmer Bob from Wolfram looked petrified to be up on stage.
3 year Mac cycle
every mac I've owned has held me for about 3 years. Except my G4 pci graphics that still cranks. 5 years and going.
I'll put my money on high end desktop in august. 2007 is a long way off and like classic, ppc apps aren't just going to vanish. Rosetta will probably work just fine too untill 2008
every mac I've owned has held me for about 3 years. Except my G4 pci graphics that still cranks. 5 years and going.
I'll put my money on high end desktop in august. 2007 is a long way off and like classic, ppc apps aren't just going to vanish. Rosetta will probably work just fine too untill 2008
A few observations...
The presentation went very well.
With the exception of Photoshop, which loaded slowly BUT was running through Rosetta, everything ran without a hitch and quickly. In fact, those Rosetta-run apps ran as fast or faster than any app I currently use on my PB.
It ocurred to me (before Steve revealed he was running an Intel chip) that everything seemed to run faster/snappier than in his previous WWDC demos. (It's too bad they didn't 'transition' to Intel sooner).
Paul Ottelini of Intel was gracious/charismatic.
Predictions...
-Although 'widget' is not a new word, Apple's coinage will turn it into techno lingo as commonplace as email or iPod, i.e., 'Get a Widget for that' or 'Widget that...', etc.
-Teaming up with Intel will increase Apple's marketshare.
-A Wintel OS X version will appear ~at the time MS releases Longhorn.
The presentation went very well.
With the exception of Photoshop, which loaded slowly BUT was running through Rosetta, everything ran without a hitch and quickly. In fact, those Rosetta-run apps ran as fast or faster than any app I currently use on my PB.
It ocurred to me (before Steve revealed he was running an Intel chip) that everything seemed to run faster/snappier than in his previous WWDC demos. (It's too bad they didn't 'transition' to Intel sooner).
Paul Ottelini of Intel was gracious/charismatic.
Predictions...
-Although 'widget' is not a new word, Apple's coinage will turn it into techno lingo as commonplace as email or iPod, i.e., 'Get a Widget for that' or 'Widget that...', etc.
-Teaming up with Intel will increase Apple's marketshare.
-A Wintel OS X version will appear ~at the time MS releases Longhorn.
Apple / Intel
Apple is going with Intel for the next generation of Macs, but who is to say in 3 years, that the freescale chip doesn't continue to develop and beat the ever many transistors that are in the Intel chips. Only time will tell. Who knows maybe they will have both chips at one point. Let's face it the G5 with Alti-Vec is a marvel, Intel -- They just ramp up the clock speed. I'll bet Apple is just keeping their options open, who is to say that Intel in 3 years can't make apple's quote like the G4 by Moltarolla, back in the hey day. IBM made the G3, moltarolla made the G4. Apple is doing what is best for apple right now. I think this is going to lead to a slug fest between apple and microsoft and the winner gets the world.
Apple is going with Intel for the next generation of Macs, but who is to say in 3 years, that the freescale chip doesn't continue to develop and beat the ever many transistors that are in the Intel chips. Only time will tell. Who knows maybe they will have both chips at one point. Let's face it the G5 with Alti-Vec is a marvel, Intel -- They just ramp up the clock speed. I'll bet Apple is just keeping their options open, who is to say that Intel in 3 years can't make apple's quote like the G4 by Moltarolla, back in the hey day. IBM made the G3, moltarolla made the G4. Apple is doing what is best for apple right now. I think this is going to lead to a slug fest between apple and microsoft and the winner gets the world.
minimax said:
Those numbers had to be based on Dothan/Yonah. Which is by far the coolest chip on the market, but is not necessarily representative of all of Intel's chips (Prescott anyone?).
And sorry, must disagree, the strategic decision is based on the actual performance (or rather failure to perform) on the part of IBM/Moto in delivering a cool mobile chip and on the actual performance of Intel with its Pentium-M chips. Further it is based on failure of IBM to crank out chips and the ability of Intel to crank out chips.
While you can never predict the future with 100% accuracy, you can look at what has happened in the past and draw reasonable inferences. That's what Apple has done.
abc123 said:
I agree, I am not even going to tell my non-tech savvy friends and family about the switch. It'll confuse non-tech people and honestly, it'll be transparent.
BTW...for the clapping thing...
In my head I heard a modified quote from Star Wars Episode 3...
"So this is how the PowerPC dies...with thunderous applause."
Just finished watching the KN and I have two words:
Yeah, right.
Apple tends to never like to admit mistakes and say things like "We were planning it ten years ago."
There is no way they made Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, and Panther for x86. I mean...do they just have money to blow? "Cross platform by design"...more like "Cross platform by the time the programmers finish it after working 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. Then we can release it next year."
If it was "Cross platform by design," there is no way that it will take them 1 year to develop Macs with...'intel inside'. Rip on the G5 processor(s) and slap in an intel processor...that cannot take an entire year.
Yeah, right.
Apple tends to never like to admit mistakes and say things like "We were planning it ten years ago."
There is no way they made Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, and Panther for x86. I mean...do they just have money to blow? "Cross platform by design"...more like "Cross platform by the time the programmers finish it after working 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. Then we can release it next year."
If it was "Cross platform by design," there is no way that it will take them 1 year to develop Macs with...'intel inside'. Rip on the G5 processor(s) and slap in an intel processor...that cannot take an entire year.
swheeler said:
You're not the only one. I have the same type of connection and have tried every type of setting in three different programmes...maybe in the ultimate plan for my life this keynote is just something I'm not supposed to watch...lol.
fitinferno said:
It's definitely for sure now that I'm not supposed to watch it...lol. I tried it again and they must've changed the link a bit since I last tried it because it gave me the "low" "medium" "high" options...and now, it works well on low but QT crashes on every attempt to play it at 5:00 in or sooner...darn...one of the few things I've never liked about Apple is the QT player...
Abercrombieboy said:
It won't make your iMac any slower 2 years from now.
Hasn't it always been that way, what you buy today is obsolete after a year or two?
I say go get what you need now, or enjoy what you have now till it is time to upgrade.
I'm still happy with my stuff and it does everything I need it to do right now.
Remember, if you buy a loaf of bread today, tomorrow it will be from yesterday.
wdlove said:
Actually, that was one of the things I was expecting. There's hardly any point in announcing anything else in the keynote, as everyone would still be talking about the switch to Intel regardless.
Give it a week or two, let the fuss die down, then start sending out the invites.
This is a sad sad day indeed.
What I don't get is Steve in the Keynote kept says PPC and Intel, while he should have stated it as X86, since Intel is not the only company that makes and designs X86 chips.
And WHY INTEL, I would have gone with AMD, far far better choice?
Steve is smoking some good stuff indeed.
What I don't get is Steve in the Keynote kept says PPC and Intel, while he should have stated it as X86, since Intel is not the only company that makes and designs X86 chips.
And WHY INTEL, I would have gone with AMD, far far better choice?
Steve is smoking some good stuff indeed.