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Originally posted by buffsldr
Straight to all people reading (or scanning) these threads:

Here is the readers digest version

Back: I feel cheated. I paid for a comp with a standard os and now I cant take full advantage of an update.
Grok: that is your own fault, you knew the g3 was not optimized for your comp.
Rower: You are young and stupid <insert more personal attacks here>

rower didn't really attack grok, at least not right away. grok has been presenting his points pretty much with a levelhead.

rather, it was nickgold that, though he made some decent points, acted in a disrespectful way towards people who were (understandably, whether rightfully or not) upset that their systems (including the latest ibooks, as well as pre-800 tibooks) won't get the FULL load out of QE.

i think the thread would have remained pretty civil if the egging on by nickgold hadn't started it.
 
Originally posted by buffsldr
Straight to all people reading (or scanning) these threads:

Here is the readers digest version


Back: I feel cheated. I paid for a comp with a standard os and now I cant take full advantage of an update.
Grok: that is your own fault, you knew the g3 was not optimized for your comp.
Rower: You are young and stupid <insert more personal attacks here>

Its a cruel hard world, ain't it?

My responses were to nickgold and nickgold alone.

He acted immature and made no valid points for his argument. I called him on it, and let him know I didn't appreciate his posts...at a level he could understand. I'm sorry the rest of you had to endure it.

Do some research the next time you decide quote someone, <insert personal attack here>! ;)
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


My responses were to nickgold and nickgold alone.

I was waiting for the crowd to start chanting 'Fight! Fight! Fight!'

It was a bit of good, amusing reading, both of you seemed pretty much unwavering in your position. As I put in my previous post, or what I tried to say, was that there might be some options that we're not sure about yet for people who are getting screwed by this upgrade, at least that's what I'm hoping for. It does suck that Apple is just forcing this down our throats and expecting us to take it. I certainly hope this doesn't become a regular thing.

'Thank you sir, may I have another!'
 
Originally posted by dukestreet
I was waiting for the crowd to start chanting 'Fight! Fight! Fight!'

It was a bit of good, amusing reading, both of you seemed pretty much unwavering in your position. As I put in my previous post, or what I tried to say, was that there might be some options that we're not sure about yet for people who are getting screwed by this upgrade, at least that's what I'm hoping for. It does suck that Apple is just forcing this down our throats and expecting us to take it. I certainly hope this doesn't become a regular thing.

'Thank you sir, may I have another!'

And a voice of reason is heard whispering faintly on the breeze...

I've said this elsewhere, but my point now is exactly the one that you made: "until we see it running on our machines, we don't know how well or how poorly it will run on hardware that doesn't meet the required specifications".

I'll bite your leg off!!
 
I've been avoiding this on principal.

But it's out of control.

There's only 1 machine out that Steve has said was designed specifically for OS X: The LCD iMac. This means EVERY other product will have to rev ABOVE the LCD iMac. If you couldn't see that one coming I'm suprised you survive crossing the street.


(Mischief exits the auditorium as SPLAT Div. Clowntroops close off the exits and begin pumping soft merengue in through the ventillation.):eek:
 
Re: I've been avoiding this on principal.

Originally posted by mischief
(Mischief exits the auditorium as SPLAT Div. Clowntroops close off the exits and begin pumping soft merengue in through the ventillation.):eek:

to me this type of talk just begs to have someone make a 3D animation (or any type of animation for that matter) of said incident.

you should work up a little script and then get duke to animate it. afterall, the guy's a kid at heart. so he'd be happy to do it. catch him before he has to head to the retirement home.... haha :eek:
 
Are you telling me that I missed a good argument? Damn, double damn. How did this thread get to "Travis" proportions? What did I miss? Man, that will teach me to not notice the number of posts rapidly increasing... Foo...
 
Ok, to pour a little fuel on the fire...

From the sound of the argument in here, it seems to me that you all must have been unaware of the class action lawsuit filed against Apple computer by the consumers who purchased iBooks in reliance on Apple's promise that OSX would work well on their G3's, althouth they would not be 'optimum.'

So, Backtothemac is not alone, nor is his frustration unfounded, nor was his decision "stupid." Rather, it was a decision made my a great deal of Apple customers based upon Apple's assertion that OSX would work fine on the G3s.

Didn't you all notice how quickly after OSX was initially released and people started complaining about its performance with the G3s that Apple came out with revision after revision to correct that problem? (Yes, lawyers working to make macs work better)

Let me guess, you want a link... let me see what I can dig up.
 
I like all the heated talk, thats why i jump in.

Whats really funny or sad to me, is this.
I am surfing on my iMac and always use it post, surf or something else mundane.
Yet, though I am within the limits of the so called MIN.
I DO NOT have what I would call proper functioning of the OS.

Example: I have tried to refresh this browser window many, many times so that i could see some of the jpg's that havent loaded fully.
The point is that they don't.
Sometimes they do, most of the time they do, then other times it dont.

This tells me that the MIN is a joke. OSX is a glutten of an Os like many games are that demand so much from hardware. Any freaking purchase this close to the crest of the wave is gonna fall victim to the god of insufficient techware. There is a wave coming, we all know it. Buy on the crest of it and you will surf out the wave in style, buy too soon and Wipe Out!

If I can hold out till the next powerbook upgrade that would be smart.
But I feel something stupid coming onto me.
Must buy powerbook 800, even though its isnt right.
Even though I know I will wipe out.
How can something wrong feel so good?

If it doesnt fit you can't convict.
 
Originally posted by mcrain
Ok, to pour a little fuel on the fire...

From the sound of the argument in here, it seems to me that you all must have been unaware of the class action lawsuit filed against Apple computer by the consumers who purchased iBooks in reliance on Apple's promise that OSX would work well on their G3's, althouth they would not be 'optimum.'

So, Backtothemac is not alone, nor is his frustration unfounded, nor was his decision "stupid." Rather, it was a decision made my a great deal of Apple customers based upon Apple's assertion that OSX would work fine on the G3s.

Didn't you all notice how quickly after OSX was initially released and people started complaining about its performance with the G3s that Apple came out with revision after revision to correct that problem? (Yes, lawyers working to make macs work better)

Let me guess, you want a link... let me see what I can dig up.

Don't forget the squawk when Apple said it was no longer supporting older ATI chipsets in "supported" machines...hmmm, sounds to me like they were paving the way for 10.2...
 
Re: I like all the heated talk, thats why i jump in.

Originally posted by Grokgod
Example: I have tried to refresh this browser window many, many times so that i could see some of the jpg's that havent loaded fully.
The point is that they don't.
Sometimes they do, most of the time they do, then other times it dont.

just curious: what browser are you using? more than likely that's the browser, not the os...

i could be wrong of course.
 
PEOPLE! ENOUGH! Jesus! You should all be ashamed, look at you people, grown adults some, some teens such as myself, but c'mon, just because you can type instead of talk, doesn't make it any better than if you actually said to their face. Seriously, Backtomac, yeah the dude was being a schm*ck (that allowed?) but if he was standing in front of you, would you actually yell at him like that? No, at least I hope not. Look this is very exciting stuff, all of it, and I'm glad everyone is excited, that's what Steve was getting at, but not *this* excited :) Look, all I'm saying is that you should be careful with your words, you realize that most of the people you reply to/talk to, you will NEVER see them in person (generally that is) so just try to be friendly, because then you know that somewhere out there, you do not have someone mad at you that will never be able to talk it over with. Heh heh, that was sappy, but I hope people know what I'm getting at and won't yell at me for being annoying. ::sniffle:: heh heh, j/k Take care everyone.
 
You know, I am not sure if this is the first time, but the Macrumors Article Discussion section now has two confirmed forums with over 200 posts, a few minor flame wars, and some incredible numbers of views.

As for the WWDC keynote, I am still waiting for Quicktime 6. Is Apple going to release a Public Preview series, just as they did with 5? I think someone else mentioned this as a possibility earlier.
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Any time is a great time for iPod.
 
Originally posted by nickgold


I suppose you bought your iBook dissatisfied with its performance, fully aware of the eventual release of Quartz Extreme, and were misled by Apple into believing that the system you purchased would support it. And now that Quartz Extreme has been announced, and it does not in fact support your system, your iBook has gone permanently stale and is utterly unusable.

BZZZZzzzzt! Let's step out of bizzarro-world for a sec, shall we?

Your systems all run OS X in an acceptable fashion, especially if you're not a dolt who has 4000 MP3s in a single folder on a CD-ROM and feels a little put off that the Finder doesn't scroll as well as you think it ought to. OS X will continually be optimized and extended, and your systems will no doubt be able to take advantage of many of these new enhancements (Bluetooth, new iApps, QT6, etc. etc. etc.)

LOL
Nice wake up call! :D
You are right. I didn't buy the iBook cause its exceptional performance but for its portability. I'm just saying that I would like to see that kind of technology (Quartz Extreme) used on such a tiny laptop... that's all.
 
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