Sorry, arn. I'm doing my best, but the guy is asking for it.
I mean, come on..."nyah nyah nyah"? Back on the playground that would get you in a world of hurt!
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Sorry, arn. I'm doing my best, but the guy is asking for it.
I mean, come on..."nyah nyah nyah"? Back on the playground that would get you in a world of hurt!
waht about CUPS...?
You know CUPS was mentioned in there, and I am supremely interested in this, this is the missing link for home publishers, etc etc. Anyone have word on it?
You know CUPS was mentioned in there, and I am supremely interested in this, this is the missing link for home publishers, etc etc. Anyone have word on it?
I am not worried
I own 2 G3 systems. An iMac DV 400 that is 2 years old and an iBook 600 that is 4 months old. I think that 10.2 will run just fine on these machines. It will not get all the benefits that some of the Brand new towers and just released iMacs and Powerbooks will, but chances are there will be quite a bit of optmizing that will benefit all Mac users. Apple will not make this OS "uncompatible" with systems that do not have the right video card or enough memory. I am happy with the speed of OSX on my machines right now. They were both consumer entry level machines and I never expected them to shake the world, but to run fairly quick and be very dependable, which they both are.
Even though I am stuck with Rage 128's in the machines I will upgrade when OSX 10.2 comes out. Although the speed may not jump on the unsupported machines I think you will find better features and slightly more kick. Just my two cents. I am thinking of a new iMac by next winter, but I will keep my iBook for a couple more years and I will get by just fine.
I own 2 G3 systems. An iMac DV 400 that is 2 years old and an iBook 600 that is 4 months old. I think that 10.2 will run just fine on these machines. It will not get all the benefits that some of the Brand new towers and just released iMacs and Powerbooks will, but chances are there will be quite a bit of optmizing that will benefit all Mac users. Apple will not make this OS "uncompatible" with systems that do not have the right video card or enough memory. I am happy with the speed of OSX on my machines right now. They were both consumer entry level machines and I never expected them to shake the world, but to run fairly quick and be very dependable, which they both are.
Even though I am stuck with Rage 128's in the machines I will upgrade when OSX 10.2 comes out. Although the speed may not jump on the unsupported machines I think you will find better features and slightly more kick. Just my two cents. I am thinking of a new iMac by next winter, but I will keep my iBook for a couple more years and I will get by just fine.
Ok. Thanks to some smart people here, I've been enlightened...
Even though Extreme Quartz may not work on our precious iBooks, the Quartz rendering system still works, doesn't it? Do you really expect a 8mb, 2x AGP mobile graphics "controller" to be able to do justice to quartz in full screen glory like a GeForce 4 Ti could? Quartz still works, doesn't it? Now, I am a little dissapointed at these high requirements, but do you expect an iBook to run like a DP 1Ghz G4 with OS X? I certainly dont.
Now, take note that the specs on Apple's page just says recommended. Extreme Quartz will probably just be controlled by a system preference pane, and have options to turn it on, or off, or it may just be on by default, and will try to do as much as it can with any graphics card, but it won't fly unless it's using one with the specified specifications (funky wording, huh?)
Now, those of you who call brand new ibooks low-end machines, you can just go sit with your 800mhz TiBook, or DP 1Ggz G4 and do your work, or play your games... We bought our computers with what we could. If I had 3200 bucks to spend, I'd get a TiBook, but I don't, so I have an iBook. It is only natural, that when you buy the top of the line model of a computer, that you'd expect for it to be supported for at least a year, or until new models are released (which for the iBooks, will probably be soon). I'm sure that anyone (even you...) would be somewhat dissapointed if their brand-spankin' new iBook (that they worked hard in order to earn...) wasn't fast enough, or didn't have a good enough graphics card to run this wonderful new technology.
Now, I don't expect my iBook to do everything, so that's why i'm only slightly dissapointed. It's natural. I'm happy with my ibook the way it is now. It works fine, and i really don't use it much for anything but school and the internet...
Anyways, back to puttiing this thread back on topic...
I think that the new Inkwell software is paving the way for touch/write screens on future Mac products, whether it is a PDA (which I think is somewhat unlikely), or an iBook with a screen that swivels, and folds back so that the screen is exposed when closed and you can write on it, and use it like a tablet Mac (i'll try not to say PC...) I believe this is the more likely thing for Apple to do, since the software is for the desktop operating system. If it were for a PDA, I don't think that they'd release handwriting recognition software like this... Besides, why else would Apple release such software for such a small hardware niche? If you ask me, all signs are pointing towards a Tablet Mac in the near future... (can you say "iBook with a touch/write screen tablet function"...)
My 2¢
Even though Extreme Quartz may not work on our precious iBooks, the Quartz rendering system still works, doesn't it? Do you really expect a 8mb, 2x AGP mobile graphics "controller" to be able to do justice to quartz in full screen glory like a GeForce 4 Ti could? Quartz still works, doesn't it? Now, I am a little dissapointed at these high requirements, but do you expect an iBook to run like a DP 1Ghz G4 with OS X? I certainly dont.
Now, take note that the specs on Apple's page just says recommended. Extreme Quartz will probably just be controlled by a system preference pane, and have options to turn it on, or off, or it may just be on by default, and will try to do as much as it can with any graphics card, but it won't fly unless it's using one with the specified specifications (funky wording, huh?)
Now, those of you who call brand new ibooks low-end machines, you can just go sit with your 800mhz TiBook, or DP 1Ggz G4 and do your work, or play your games... We bought our computers with what we could. If I had 3200 bucks to spend, I'd get a TiBook, but I don't, so I have an iBook. It is only natural, that when you buy the top of the line model of a computer, that you'd expect for it to be supported for at least a year, or until new models are released (which for the iBooks, will probably be soon). I'm sure that anyone (even you...) would be somewhat dissapointed if their brand-spankin' new iBook (that they worked hard in order to earn...) wasn't fast enough, or didn't have a good enough graphics card to run this wonderful new technology.
Now, I don't expect my iBook to do everything, so that's why i'm only slightly dissapointed. It's natural. I'm happy with my ibook the way it is now. It works fine, and i really don't use it much for anything but school and the internet...
Anyways, back to puttiing this thread back on topic...
I think that the new Inkwell software is paving the way for touch/write screens on future Mac products, whether it is a PDA (which I think is somewhat unlikely), or an iBook with a screen that swivels, and folds back so that the screen is exposed when closed and you can write on it, and use it like a tablet Mac (i'll try not to say PC...) I believe this is the more likely thing for Apple to do, since the software is for the desktop operating system. If it were for a PDA, I don't think that they'd release handwriting recognition software like this... Besides, why else would Apple release such software for such a small hardware niche? If you ask me, all signs are pointing towards a Tablet Mac in the near future... (can you say "iBook with a touch/write screen tablet function"...)
My 2¢
Ahh. I feel stupid...
I mean "Ink" when I said "Inkwell"
The name of Apple's new software is "Ink"
Just wanted to straighten something out. I think Inkwell was for the Newton OS. I'm not sure, but if someone could verify, that would be great...
I mean "Ink" when I said "Inkwell"
The name of Apple's new software is "Ink"
Just wanted to straighten something out. I think Inkwell was for the Newton OS. I'm not sure, but if someone could verify, that would be great...
it definitely sucks that folks with 2 month old ibooks will not be able to fully utilize the upgrades. i hope that the recommended graphics card is a bit higher than truly needed, for all your sakes...
also, just because jobs didn't get into the nitty gritty, isn't it relatively safe to think that they would have continued tweaking things that woudl speed up the os overall? i mean, for the most part with each .1.x update one aspect or another has gotten better or faster, other than just new/added features. so i'd bet that even without the q. extreme it will be faster.
regardless, i'd like to have seen a fully supported (at least supported by ALL currently available macs and the ones within the last year or so) upgraded system... but who knows, perhaps this just wasn't possible...
nickgold... just an idiot. not worth my/our time.
also, just because jobs didn't get into the nitty gritty, isn't it relatively safe to think that they would have continued tweaking things that woudl speed up the os overall? i mean, for the most part with each .1.x update one aspect or another has gotten better or faster, other than just new/added features. so i'd bet that even without the q. extreme it will be faster.
regardless, i'd like to have seen a fully supported (at least supported by ALL currently available macs and the ones within the last year or so) upgraded system... but who knows, perhaps this just wasn't possible...
nickgold... just an idiot. not worth my/our time.
Uh, okay, "jelloshotsrule."
Listen, everyone who is wetting their panties over this is obviously a dork. If you can honestly say to yourself that your iBook or whatnot sucks, and you just can't stand it now that it's not fully supported by every feature of OS X, go sell it on ebay and get a peecee. You will obviously enjoy its vastly superior operating system, as opposed to OS X, which runs well enough for most folks, but not you.
If you are a professional who uses your Mac for hardcore apps, and an iBook is all you can afford, and you feel a little hurt about the fact that you won't be able to eek a little more performance out of your system -- I feel your pain. Apple does offer loans -- maybe it's something to consider for your next purchase?
If you are a lame little kid who wants to whine about the fact that your completely disorganized CD of 4000 pirated MP3s doesn't scroll quite as beautifully as you would like in the finder -- get a life, or a girlfriend, or something. Friends? Some personal satisfaction in your life outside of the scroll speed of your computer's freaking windows? Geez Louise!
*rant on*
Anybody who expects any corporation, including Apple, to look out for their personal needs is a very ignorant soul indeed. Capitalism does not exist to serve you. It exists to make some people wealthy. That is the American way, and if you don't like it, do something constructive about it. But to piss and moan as if you expect corporations to serve every last need of every last niche market segment is simply laughable. For goodness' sakes, many corporations make decisions that screw over people in serious ways every day. Like oh, such-and-such corporation sold your fascist government weapons, which allowed them to terorize the populous? I feel bad for those people. They are getting screwed by corporations. Your stupid Finder isn't as freaking optimized as it could be? Are you really that self-absorbed? Complain about something that's worth complaining about, otherwise, shaddup.
*rant off*
Originally posted by nickgold
Uh, okay, "jelloshotsrule."
thanks for the wink. but i'll pass buddy.
when people pay apple 1500+ dollars they can expect something in return.
i agree that it can't be expected for ALL systems to run everything perfectly. if that were the case, there would be no separation and thus no point of getting a high end computer.
however, it is unfortunate that in this case, the people that could most use the os speed boost is the people with slightly slower/older computers, which are the ones that won't optimize the new quartz changes..
OpenGL
I don't believe we have to have the latest wiz-bang video card that you'd be left in the cold. The reason for this is that Quartz Extreme is about re-writing Quartz in terms entirely of OpenGL. So, ANY video card that handles OpenGL should give you some more kick. Otherwise, your CPU will have to handle the OpenGL operations just as it is today with the present OpenGL-less Quartz.
SJ offered the WWDC audience a very, very impressive demonstration with all of the 2-d and/or 3-d objects moving in the foreground with a DVD playing in a background. All this with no visible jitter!!! My current Windoze2K Dell Dimension XPS T500 (500 MHz PIII) can't even handle a 400MB .avi without jittering like a crack junkie with withdraw. I have to close out all of my applications and set the .avi player that I use to a high process priority.
So, if one does not have a 4x AGP with 32 MB of DDR, you're still going to have some jitters if you run to many things at the same time. If my assumption about OpenGL simply executing on your CPU is true, then it sounds to me that Quartz Extreme simply means that if you want jitter free, anti-aliased, beautiful graphics, you'd need a higher-end Mac.
I don't feel you guys that bought iBooks or whatever fairly recently have been screwed because I BELIEVE the only screwing that you'll get is that your machine won't render your graphics as well as a kick-ass $3k machine. OpenGL should still run on your CPU. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Eirik
PS. I'm not looking for more flames in this thread. I'm hopeful that my supposition that the OpenGL will simply run off whatever can execute OpenGL. Your video card may do it. Then again, if your video card really sucks compared to these 'kick-ass' cards, maybe you don't want your Mac to off-load OpenGL execution. Well, this turned out to be a ****ed posting!!!
I don't believe we have to have the latest wiz-bang video card that you'd be left in the cold. The reason for this is that Quartz Extreme is about re-writing Quartz in terms entirely of OpenGL. So, ANY video card that handles OpenGL should give you some more kick. Otherwise, your CPU will have to handle the OpenGL operations just as it is today with the present OpenGL-less Quartz.
SJ offered the WWDC audience a very, very impressive demonstration with all of the 2-d and/or 3-d objects moving in the foreground with a DVD playing in a background. All this with no visible jitter!!! My current Windoze2K Dell Dimension XPS T500 (500 MHz PIII) can't even handle a 400MB .avi without jittering like a crack junkie with withdraw. I have to close out all of my applications and set the .avi player that I use to a high process priority.
So, if one does not have a 4x AGP with 32 MB of DDR, you're still going to have some jitters if you run to many things at the same time. If my assumption about OpenGL simply executing on your CPU is true, then it sounds to me that Quartz Extreme simply means that if you want jitter free, anti-aliased, beautiful graphics, you'd need a higher-end Mac.
I don't feel you guys that bought iBooks or whatever fairly recently have been screwed because I BELIEVE the only screwing that you'll get is that your machine won't render your graphics as well as a kick-ass $3k machine. OpenGL should still run on your CPU. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Eirik
PS. I'm not looking for more flames in this thread. I'm hopeful that my supposition that the OpenGL will simply run off whatever can execute OpenGL. Your video card may do it. Then again, if your video card really sucks compared to these 'kick-ass' cards, maybe you don't want your Mac to off-load OpenGL execution. Well, this turned out to be a ****ed posting!!!
Originally posted by nickgold
Uh, okay, "jelloshotsrule."
Listen, everyone who is wetting their panties over this is obviously a dork. If you can honestly say to yourself that your iBook or whatnot sucks, and you just can't stand it now that it's not fully supported by every feature of OS X, go sell it on ebay and get a peecee. You will obviously enjoy its vastly superior operating system, as opposed to OS X, which runs well enough for most folks, but not you.
If you are a professional who uses your Mac for hardcore apps, and an iBook is all you can afford, and you feel a little hurt about the fact that you won't be able to eek a little more performance out of your system -- I feel your pain. Apple does offer loans -- maybe it's something to consider for your next purchase?
If you are a lame little kid who wants to whine about the fact that your completely disorganized CD of 4000 pirated MP3s doesn't scroll quite as beautifully as you would like in the finder -- get a life, or a girlfriend, or something. Friends? Some personal satisfaction in your life outside of the scroll speed of your computer's freaking windows? Geez Louise!
*rant on*
Anybody who expects any corporation, including Apple, to look out for their personal needs is a very ignorant soul indeed. Capitalism does not exist to serve you. It exists to make some people wealthy. That is the American way, and if you don't like it, do something constructive about it. But to piss and moan as if you expect corporations to serve every last need of every last niche market segment is simply laughable. For goodness' sakes, many corporations make decisions that screw over people in serious ways every day. Like oh, such-and-such corporation sold your fascist government weapons, which allowed them to terorize the populous? I feel bad for those people. They are getting screwed by corporations. Your stupid Finder isn't as freaking optimized as it could be? Are you really that self-absorbed? Complain about something that's worth complaining about, otherwise, shaddup.
*rant off*
Unbelievable...you manage to dance around the issue with each new post. Really that's quite an achievement.
So what's your take on PowerBooks...and the fact that your Daddy always buys you a new one, and you don't need to worry about shelling out the dough yourself?
OS X updates should include software optimizations, not new hardware requirements. Grow up.
Nickgold....
Come on dude, you're making a fool of yourself. How can you call people losers for complaining about what their macs can or cannot do when you are complaining about the complaining that they are doing? I don't know what your problem is but if you have some sort of valid point why don't you try to make it instead of just ranting.
Oh, and Rower, I know about the TiBooks, I have one. It s a bummer but I am happy with it the way it is. I run dual monitors and edit in Final Cut with little or no render time and that it pretty impressive in my book.
I think we should try to start looking at the QE thing as a high end bonus for people who are really serious about doing graphic or video work. People who get paid to do that kind of work should really have a tower anyway. Lets all just look at it as an add-on to the pro line and leave it at that. Besides, in a year almost everyone with G3's will have a new computer and everyone will be glad to have QE making their computing experience so nice and fluid!!!!! I know I will!!!
Regards,
Matt
P.S. if Apple made it so everyone could use QE and it improved everyone's system they would lose a TON of sales! We don't want that! Let not discourage their inovation.
P.S.S. Rower, what makes you think the code is bloated? Just wondering
Come on dude, you're making a fool of yourself. How can you call people losers for complaining about what their macs can or cannot do when you are complaining about the complaining that they are doing? I don't know what your problem is but if you have some sort of valid point why don't you try to make it instead of just ranting.
Oh, and Rower, I know about the TiBooks, I have one. It s a bummer but I am happy with it the way it is. I run dual monitors and edit in Final Cut with little or no render time and that it pretty impressive in my book.
I think we should try to start looking at the QE thing as a high end bonus for people who are really serious about doing graphic or video work. People who get paid to do that kind of work should really have a tower anyway. Lets all just look at it as an add-on to the pro line and leave it at that. Besides, in a year almost everyone with G3's will have a new computer and everyone will be glad to have QE making their computing experience so nice and fluid!!!!! I know I will!!!
Regards,
Matt
P.S. if Apple made it so everyone could use QE and it improved everyone's system they would lose a TON of sales! We don't want that! Let not discourage their inovation.
P.S.S. Rower, what makes you think the code is bloated? Just wondering
Originally posted by G4scott
Right. They have 2x AGP but unfortunately the graphics controller is a ATI RAGE Mobility 128 which is pre-Radeon
I own a 2002 iBook and I would really like to see the technology (Quartz Extreme) implemented for it. This laptop is only 2 months old. I don't to start thinking about a replacement already just because of this.
But who knows... maybe Apple will support older chips in some time
Re: Nickgold....
Maybe "bloated" isn't the best term, but it's the most common one when referring to slow running code.
The high overhead of the Aqua graphics slow down the overall speed of the system. I would have been happier with code optimization over higher hardware requirements.
Maybe "bloated" isn't the best term, but it's the most common one when referring to slow running code.
The high overhead of the Aqua graphics slow down the overall speed of the system. I would have been happier with code optimization over higher hardware requirements.
I gave in ...
I went to the apple store this evening and bought a new Ti PB 800. My mint condition 3 month old TiPB 667 is now for sale on ebay for $1500. Yes, I'm pissed (a $2k loss in 3 mo) ... but if you want to have the latest and greatest toys, you should expect to upgrade once or twice per year regardless of whether you are on the Windows or Mac platform.
I went to the apple store this evening and bought a new Ti PB 800. My mint condition 3 month old TiPB 667 is now for sale on ebay for $1500. Yes, I'm pissed (a $2k loss in 3 mo) ... but if you want to have the latest and greatest toys, you should expect to upgrade once or twice per year regardless of whether you are on the Windows or Mac platform.
Here we go. Why do peeps get so emotional over a computer web site? Relax everyone. Nickgold has some very solid points. His delivery is harsh and some get offended.
What you call "getting the shaft", apple calls "Give'em a reason to upgrade". And yes, there will always be the guy standing there as the doors close one inch in front of him. And in this case... it is you. BacktotheMac.... I remember you. You posted a thread about old powerbook vs ibook. You thought real hard about your purchase, now you gotta live with it. I wish your money was better spent, and i really am sorry you cant use the new feature, but as one already said, you knew you couldnt upgrade it. And what should apple have done, not offer the new feature until 32 mb video was standard on systems for X months (and who defines X? their marketing department, or who?).
One of the first things peeps noticed was that the video card was not fully being used for window resizing. Now apple is getting that done, some can take advantage of it, some cant. More will in the future. Please do not consider their business decisions as screwing you.
What you call "getting the shaft", apple calls "Give'em a reason to upgrade". And yes, there will always be the guy standing there as the doors close one inch in front of him. And in this case... it is you. BacktotheMac.... I remember you. You posted a thread about old powerbook vs ibook. You thought real hard about your purchase, now you gotta live with it. I wish your money was better spent, and i really am sorry you cant use the new feature, but as one already said, you knew you couldnt upgrade it. And what should apple have done, not offer the new feature until 32 mb video was standard on systems for X months (and who defines X? their marketing department, or who?).
One of the first things peeps noticed was that the video card was not fully being used for window resizing. Now apple is getting that done, some can take advantage of it, some cant. More will in the future. Please do not consider their business decisions as screwing you.
The only computer I own is a 450 G4 Sawtooth that, yes, me "papy" bought me for a college computer. It ruled at the time, but was starting to get a little long int he tooth if you know what I mean. But now I will be able to upgrade my Rage 128 AGP card for a few hundred clams, and be able to get a serious performance boost. (By the way, you don't see me whining that a few monthsafter I got the system, Apple started offering the Rage 128 Pro AGP w/ the Sawtooth systems, and all I got was a lousy Rage 128. Boo freaking hoo!)
What am I saying?
HAHAHAH
Ahem cough cough, and now~
Well this has been a very interesting thread to say the least.
I feel that I can add something to it.
Firstly.
iBooks are not top of the line. They have the G3 chip in it.
Everyone know that this is an old chip.
Having the newest iBook does not make it top of the line,
It has a G3 chip in it!
If anybody thought that they were buying an iBook which would run ANY version of OSX fast and snappy.
Then they dont understand the current Apple situation and that is why they own an ibook.
These are low cost units and not designed to bring a premium in speed.
There is no reason for these haples people to be angry, they should instead try to understand the computer world better before they make a purchase!.
The call for higher end graphics cards is not strange in the least.
There are certain chips that can do certain types of work.
Apple is saying that Extreme will only work on certain chips.
This is similar to what happens when new games appear and demand certain effects from graphic chips to produce certain effects.
Actually 32 megs is low if you take into consideration what is possible in a more objective light and I fear that soon 32 which is now the minimum, will soon be as valueless as 16 when 64 becomes the new standard.
Apple states that for OPTIMUM performance use 32 megs.
So any agp graphics chip that can run the code will work, the more ram the better, simple enough.
Remember that this quartz extreme is not to appear for quite some time and that standards can change very easily! Apple will not come out and say that 32 is too low when that is all the newest powerbooks have!
I am certain that 64megs is really what the min will be!
I am quite amazed by the fact that a $3000 computer can be rendered as sadly obsolete by the company that creates both the hardware and the OS.
There has been an error in planning this all out.
So, I am not interested in iBooks being useless because I think that they always were, and those that bought these units have made an error in judgement. You just dont buy a computer with an old CPU that cant run a new os properly. If your poor then you need to wait or get a Pcheese.
BUT to tell me that a new Ti, the 667. will not be up to par so soon,
POints out to me a huge error in planning.
I think that this error was made a long time ago.
This whole affair is happening because of Apple hardware problems that have been around for a long time now.
Apple is going through a hardware crisis, that is obvious. If apple was at the same hareware as Pcheese, we would not be having these threads.
Most of us know this and is why we all try to wait it out as long as we can before buying. The cost, hardware, performance ratio is not good right now.
Due to hardware and the new OS problems.
And that is going to create issues for a lot of people who are not aware of the situation and buy when it is unwise.
So to recap this long winded diatribe.
iBook buyers are dumb and for calling our attention to it, are even more so!
Apple is crawling out of a hardware problem that has been going on for years, when they need it more than ever with the new OS.
We all know that already.
$3000 Ti books can be useless very quickly!
Is this a good time to buy?
Hell no! Send a message to Apple!
" Get your hardware together or we will not buy anything "
Suddenly you will see your DDRam and Quartz increases with new huge speed bumps. Consumers have the power if they know how to use it!
Well this has been a very interesting thread to say the least.
I feel that I can add something to it.
Firstly.
iBooks are not top of the line. They have the G3 chip in it.
Everyone know that this is an old chip.
Having the newest iBook does not make it top of the line,
It has a G3 chip in it!
If anybody thought that they were buying an iBook which would run ANY version of OSX fast and snappy.
Then they dont understand the current Apple situation and that is why they own an ibook.
These are low cost units and not designed to bring a premium in speed.
There is no reason for these haples people to be angry, they should instead try to understand the computer world better before they make a purchase!.
The call for higher end graphics cards is not strange in the least.
There are certain chips that can do certain types of work.
Apple is saying that Extreme will only work on certain chips.
This is similar to what happens when new games appear and demand certain effects from graphic chips to produce certain effects.
Actually 32 megs is low if you take into consideration what is possible in a more objective light and I fear that soon 32 which is now the minimum, will soon be as valueless as 16 when 64 becomes the new standard.
Apple states that for OPTIMUM performance use 32 megs.
So any agp graphics chip that can run the code will work, the more ram the better, simple enough.
Remember that this quartz extreme is not to appear for quite some time and that standards can change very easily! Apple will not come out and say that 32 is too low when that is all the newest powerbooks have!
I am certain that 64megs is really what the min will be!
I am quite amazed by the fact that a $3000 computer can be rendered as sadly obsolete by the company that creates both the hardware and the OS.
There has been an error in planning this all out.
So, I am not interested in iBooks being useless because I think that they always were, and those that bought these units have made an error in judgement. You just dont buy a computer with an old CPU that cant run a new os properly. If your poor then you need to wait or get a Pcheese.
BUT to tell me that a new Ti, the 667. will not be up to par so soon,
POints out to me a huge error in planning.
I think that this error was made a long time ago.
This whole affair is happening because of Apple hardware problems that have been around for a long time now.
Apple is going through a hardware crisis, that is obvious. If apple was at the same hareware as Pcheese, we would not be having these threads.
Most of us know this and is why we all try to wait it out as long as we can before buying. The cost, hardware, performance ratio is not good right now.
Due to hardware and the new OS problems.
And that is going to create issues for a lot of people who are not aware of the situation and buy when it is unwise.
So to recap this long winded diatribe.
iBook buyers are dumb and for calling our attention to it, are even more so!
Apple is crawling out of a hardware problem that has been going on for years, when they need it more than ever with the new OS.
We all know that already.
$3000 Ti books can be useless very quickly!
Is this a good time to buy?
Hell no! Send a message to Apple!
" Get your hardware together or we will not buy anything "
Suddenly you will see your DDRam and Quartz increases with new huge speed bumps. Consumers have the power if they know how to use it!
I suppose you bought your iBook dissatisfied with its performance, fully aware of the eventual release of Quartz Extreme, and were misled by Apple into believing that the system you purchased would support it. And now that Quartz Extreme has been announced, and it does not in fact support your system, your iBook has gone permanently stale and is utterly unusable.
BZZZZzzzzt! Let's step out of bizzarro-world for a sec, shall we?
Your systems all run OS X in an acceptable fashion, especially if you're not a dolt who has 4000 MP3s in a single folder on a CD-ROM and feels a little put off that the Finder doesn't scroll as well as you think it ought to. OS X will continually be optimized and extended, and your systems will no doubt be able to take advantage of many of these new enhancements (Bluetooth, new iApps, QT6, etc. etc. etc.)
Originally posted by nickgold
The only computer I own is a 450 G4 Sawtooth that, yes, me "papy" bought me for a college computer. It ruled at the time, but was starting to get a little long int he tooth if you know what I mean. But now I will be able to upgrade my Rage 128 AGP card for a few hundred clams, and be able to get a serious performance boost. (By the way, you don't see me whining that a few monthsafter I got the system, Apple started offering the Rage 128 Pro AGP w/ the Sawtooth systems, and all I got was a lousy Rage 128. Boo freaking hoo!)
What am I saying?
HAHAHAH
My god! Your stupidity grows with each new post! I can actually see your IQ dropping with each and every one. Quick, stop now before it spreads to someone else!
Did you not see my very specific reference to PowerBooks? You can read, can't you?
What do you say to the guys who bought a "top of the line" machine two weeks ago, only to find that Apple has pretty much said, "Sorry, go buy a new one."
Let me spell this out for you:
Tower == upgradable
Laptop != upgradable
Did that make it through your thick skull?
PS. It's obvious that you don't have to pay for your own machine, but I'm pretty impressed you actually admitted it.
What part of "32MB VRAM recommended for optimum performance" don't you dunderheads understand? Since when in computerese does "recommended for optimum performance" mean "absolutely required?" The 550 and 667 TiBook owners WILL INDEED be able to take advantage of Quartz Extreme, just not as much as people with 32+ MB AGP Radeon cards. That would stand to reason, somewhat, wouldnt it?
I am just wondering whether I should go for an overpriced Mac Radeon AGP 32MB (they are about twice as expensive as the PC versions), or the way-beyond-my-needs Radeon 8500. I will probably try to find a secondhand original Mac AGP Radeon, or hope that ATI gets smart and releases a more middle-of-the-road Radeon AGP 2x/4x board at some point in the not-too-distant future.
i think you make some decent points here. but you put your foot in your mouth when you start talking down to people who are upset. it's alright for them to be upset, whether they "should" be or not. if you spoke your feelings like a mature adult i'm sure plenty of people would respect it and show you respect in turn. but instead you come across as an ass. just use the intelligence you have to use it a bit more wisely and maybe enlighten some people in the meantime.
Yes, I agree with you there. It doesn't mean "absolutely required", it just means a top-of-the-line machine two weeks ago will have much poorer performance compared to the new ones.
The major complaint is that this seems to be a blatant move on Apple's part to coerce people into buying new hardware when their current hardware is more than adequate.
It also looks like PCI cards are left in the dust...
it's a reasonable request to want the current hardware line to have totally optimized performance for system software...
on the same note though, rower (and other ibook folks), keep in mind that apple "recommends" a g4 to run os x.
so maybe if you think about the graphics cards in that sense for quartz extreme... maybe you won't be as upset.
either way though, i hear where you're coming from. but i don't think it's totally unreasonable. just not ideal.
on the same note though, rower (and other ibook folks), keep in mind that apple "recommends" a g4 to run os x.
so maybe if you think about the graphics cards in that sense for quartz extreme... maybe you won't be as upset.
either way though, i hear where you're coming from. but i don't think it's totally unreasonable. just not ideal.