WWDC: New LCD Displays

[iloveMac]

WOW!!! Amazing

I was slobbering as I was reading the new specs on the 30" cinema display. I did notice one thing though. The new Dual DVI graphics card caught everyone in this forum by surprise. Not one person mention the new card. Apple done it to us again.

 

[Veldek]

Let me get this straight...if I want to use two of the new displays with my G5, I need to buy a freaking adapter? If Apple is ditching the proprietary ADC, why the heck is their cutting edge machine still saddled with an ADC card?

Dual DVI cards should at least be a BTO. Gimme a break.

Well, the 6800 is a dual DVI card available as BTO.

 

[QCassidy352]

congrats to apple....it is now once again possible to spend over 15,000 dollars on a single workstation without buying any "accessory" upgrades.

strictly speaking,

dual G5 2.5
load the RAM
dual 30" monitors (along w/obligatory gfx card upgrade)
dual 250gig HDDs

I didn't even have to add a fibre-channel card to get it over 15K.

amazing.

i wonder how clocked-down the 6800 is going to be?

and that machine would be a very high end work station for very serious professionals.

Some companies' websites have different links when you go in: like "home," "education," and "professional." Then, when you go in, you only see the products that are intended or that market.

Apple isn't so patronizing that they assume people can't tell the difference - but the complaints on this board are making it clear that they have overestimated their average consumer.

Apple does not expect a home user to spend $7000 on a computer + display. These are high end items for real professional users with professional budgets who actually need this level of power and performance, and it's a very good thing that Apple offers these high end options for those who need them.

 

[mikefl420]

Not that you asked, but here's my opinion...

What did they change? Just the outer casing? Does that justify maintaining the same cost for over 18 months ??

Well, Apple increased the Contrast Ratio and Brightness considerably, added two FireWire ports in addition to the existing USB ports, gave us the ability to adjust the tilt of the screen, and switched the industry standard DVI. Factor in the rising price of aluminum and inflation and the price seems fair to me. Hell, we're lucky they didn't raise the price.

As far as the comments I've seen concerning the price of the Nvidia GeForce 6800 Ultra, the price seems consistent with that of the PC version of the card which I have found to be around $499. I'm just happy we're not a step behind anymore.

Well, begin the rumor mill... Only 365 days til WWDC 2005!

 

[sfwalter]

2-4 weeks delay

 

[DrGruv1]

Not that impressed...

OLD 350 to 1 contrast
NEW 400 to 1 contrast

OLD Brightness 230
NEW Brightness 250

Price = the same????

Really should be $999 for these

The new Sony 19" SDM-S94 is silver, 600 to 1 Contrast, 250 brightness and is $725

Thats a $550+ Difference!!!! I'm a mac fan BUT! Damn

 

[AidenShaw]

*August* for 30" video card

The Apple pages say that the video card won't be available until August.

Add the card and monitor to a 2.0GHz dualie, and the ship date changes from "Next day" to "August" !

 

[snahabed]

So the 17" old-style Display seems to only be available in the education store.

They don't think ANYONE with a G5 will want a smaller and/or relatively low-cost option??

I guess it is time to start finding out who makes the best third-party displays, especially if they are aluminum style. Formacs are G4 styled, but nice. Who else?

 

[Savage Henry]

If my near-future needs are of such that a powermac is required, then I would not think twice about these beauties. And the tech level is pretty hot as well.

But I can see why the Stevenote wasn't broadcast. New screens and a small cuddly Tiger does not make rock and roll.

Share-price since 10am - dropped a buck.........

 

[PieMac]

Any body know of any mention of price reductions for the old model 20" and 23" displays? Surely they'll reduce the prices on them to clear them out...?

 

[blorp]

Well, I won't be buying a display from Apple. 20" for $1799 CAD is outrageous. It took 18 months for this? I am not impressed.

 

[the future]

I completely, absolutely, unconditionally LOVE the new design. I cannot even begin to imagine how sleek and gorgeous they will look "in person" in all their huge, yet fragile, aluminum glory. We totally need a dreamy-eyed emoticon, Arn. Or at least a drooling one.

Boo for no price cuts, of course. And for neither having a new 17" nor dropping the price of the old one which looks very odd now on the Apple Store pages and is actually by far the most overpriced of all models.

What is really, really, really cool is that with that 6800 card you can actually connect 2 (two) 30" displays to a G5. Not that I could afford a setup like that, but one can dream/drool (even without the appropriate emoticon).

 

[bertagert]

So the 17" old-style Display seems to only be available in the education store.

Actually its right below the other 3 displays in the reg store for $699. A little confusing but its there.

 

[nyprospect]

It's to pricey.how about us poor folk .i guess i have to stick with my pc and just buy a samsung lcd they look the same.

 

[cr2sh]

I'm stunned... but not by the displays, by the response of you babies.

80% of the posts in this thread amount to nothing more than "boo... I can't afford that." Guess what, this is bleeding edge.. if you don't like it take a step backwards.

Since when is $7k for the fastest machine and nicest monitor complaint worthy? This isn't pre-school, kiddies.

 

[Photorun]

Ugh! What a waste. Yes, they look really awesome and yes, the pricing is just a little ridiculous. There's a bevy of 20 inch monitors with just as good if not better specs, also DVI, hitting the $1000 mark (at least on Buy.com) with names like Sony, Samsung, etc. Though Cinema Display is cool the other 20 inchers also give you more screen real estate, what with them being 1600 X 1200 as opposed to 1080 or whatever.

Jobs lives in rich land, I suppose if I made $68 MILLION(!) last year as he did these monitors are the change you find in the couch, however, most people cannot afford these monitors. And the 17 inch using 2001 technology costing TWICE AS MUCH (no people, the price is the same, stupid high ridiculous same, as effer) as other current 17 offerings, those offerings with twice the contrast and brightness, I mean, Jobs/Apple's heads are so far up their arses on this it's just unbelievable... what planet are they from?

 

[Cooknn]

Not such a bad price after all

I fully agree. Viewsonic, here I come! Way too much premium to pay so that the design matchs my G5 which sits under my desk...

Pricing for the Viewsonic 23" LCD is over $2200 on Best Buy. It has integrated speakers (yuck) and only does 1600x1200. The Sony 23" Widescreen LCD does 1920x1200 but is over $2200 as well. $1999 for the Apple 23" is actually very competitive.

 

[proglife]

These look great....















...for me to poop on. I'll stick with my Formac 19" for sure.

 

[nsb3000]

3. Someone might make an adaptor with graphics card so you can go powerbook --> adaptor w/card --> 30" of pure love.

I would expect Apple to introduct this at somepoint...

 

[nsb3000]

Since when is $7k for the fastest machine and nicest monitor complaint worthy? This isn't pre-school, kiddies.

Becasue this is not the 1980s. (Remeber the 10k Lisa?) Macs should be cheaper than they are...

 

[Moonlight]

Credit

God I love Apple's marketers.

you mean TBWA Chiat/Day...

 

[blorp]

Since when is $7k for the fastest machine and nicest monitor complaint worthy? This isn't pre-school, kiddies.

This is real life, buddy. A normal, sane person would not drop down $9000 (CAD) for a computer and moniter.

 

[seamuskrat]

No prosumer, middle machine

I think the Tiger looks like a fantastic update, considering. The monitor lineup looks very nie as well. Spec for spec they hold up better or the same to the competition, although they carry the Apple cost premium. That said, the problem if you need a Prosumer solution. Say, at a university, where you need a PCI slot for a data capture card, ut you do not need the horsepower of a G5. Basically, if you have a solution that requires additional internal drives, and PCI needs, you must spend a minimum of 3300 for an All Apple solution. (Yes, i know the old 17 is still available for now). Apple truly needs to have either a G4 tower again with PCI so I can add the 699 17 inch and have a nice ~2200 solution ormanage to get a betetr price point for the monitor lineup.
If I were to get a top of the line iMac it would cost me 2200.00. That gets me
• 256MB DDR333 SDRAM - 1 DIMM
• 80GB Ultra ATA drive
• Keyboard/Mac OS X - U.S. English
• 20-inch flat-panel LCD
• 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
• 4x SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
• NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
• Apple Pro Speakers
If I needed the entry Pro line it would be a G5 1.8 dual and 20 inch display for $3300.00 and the following:
Dual 1.8GHz PowerPC G5
• 256MB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 2x128
• 80GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
• NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra w/64MB DDR SDRAM
• Apple Cinema Display (20" flat panel)
• 56k V.92 internal modem
• 8x SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
So, for my 1100.00 Iget the same Ram, same drive, slightly better video, dual 1.8 instead of single 1.25 CPU and faster superdrive. I also get the much needed expandability and PCI slots. The problem is that the 3300.00 is a high price to pay for simple features. I get a lot more for that 1100.00 but if my baseline need was the eMac or the 1799 17 inch iMac, then its a huge differential to get the PCI slot.

Its too bad no one (that i know of) has come up with a PCI to FW bridge. Sell me an external box with 3 PCI slots that will run over firewire. I suspect at the bandwidth of FW 800 it would work.

But for those of us in markets where cost does matter and have specific requirements for features like internal drive expansion and PCI, and expanded video, then we are forced to look at non Apple solitions.

 

[edesignuk]

Let me just say this first. The new 30" display is, of course, awesome, there is no other way to describe it. I'd absolutely love one...but...

IMO the new look is very ugly. Yes, they have a nice slim bezel, but they just look so dull/dell

Now, $3300+$600+G5 PowerMac. Hmmmm....there's something wrong with this picture. Who, exactly, will be able to afford this? Sure, there may be some design studios interested, but I would imagine that'd be about it. It makes far more sense to go with 2 x 23" ($4000) than one 30" ($3900 inc. video card).

Where is something that would without doubt sell very well, a 17" wide screen!?

So yeah, the 30" is amazing (though still ugly), but I still struggle to understand Apple's thinking...

 

[zoozx]

Ridiculous pricing.
I'm use to getting gouged by apple but these new monitor prices are just ridiculous.
Come on steve, how many helicopters do you need?