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WWDC: New LCD Displays
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Damn
No apple brand monitor for less then 1299
grrr.
Hell you can get a Dell SYSTEM+ 15" flat panel for 499
grrr
No apple brand monitor for less then 1299
grrr.
Hell you can get a Dell SYSTEM+ 15" flat panel for 499
grrr
Maybe I'm missing something...
I'm fairly new to the Mac community...I bought my first Mac (a 2.0 PowerMac G5) last Fall. I've been waiting to buy a nice 23" display since then, I've done some price comparisons, and it looks like the new Mac displays aren't too high at all. Comparatively, the Viewsonic VP230MB is $2500 and the Sony SDM/P232 is $2100.
Are there others out there in the same class as these 3?
I'm fairly new to the Mac community...I bought my first Mac (a 2.0 PowerMac G5) last Fall. I've been waiting to buy a nice 23" display since then, I've done some price comparisons, and it looks like the new Mac displays aren't too high at all. Comparatively, the Viewsonic VP230MB is $2500 and the Sony SDM/P232 is $2100.
Are there others out there in the same class as these 3?
Wow the whining is unbearable...
Anyway did anyone notice the grey looking keyboard
and mouse in the new displays QTVR pic--too bad
the link doesn't work so I couldn't see for sure--
maybe too many people watching it or...
okay just watched it and still looks grey--or just the lighting
is really bad...
soo probably not...oh well
Bring on iMacs
Anyway did anyone notice the grey looking keyboard
and mouse in the new displays QTVR pic--too bad
the link doesn't work so I couldn't see for sure--
maybe too many people watching it or...
okay just watched it and still looks grey--or just the lighting
is really bad...
soo probably not...oh well
Bring on iMacs
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DrGruv1 said:The new Sony 19" SDM-S94 is silver, 600 to 1 Contrast, 250 brightness and is $725
Thats a $550+ Difference!!!! I'm a mac fan BUT! Damn
yes, but:
Sony 19" SDM-S94 1280x1024
Apple 20" 1680x1050
Well Said
I agree fully. These new monitors are pretty sweet. Sure, they are a little pricey, but so are all things Apple. You get what you pay for. If you can't afford it, that's too bad for you, but that doesn't make the product any worse. Wide screen, tight dot pitch, ports, and the oh so cool Apple design (you know it will look swoopy and clean in the store...hardly Dell-like). It's definitely competitive.
If you want Viewsonic or Dell, go right ahead, have fun. It's a free world. Stop whining.
cr2sh said:I'm stunned... but not by the displays, by the response of you babies.
80% of the posts in this thread amount to nothing more than "boo... I can't afford that." Guess what, this is bleeding edge.. if you don't like it take a step backwards.
Since when is $7k for the fastest machine and nicest monitor complaint worthy? This isn't pre-school, kiddies.
I agree fully. These new monitors are pretty sweet. Sure, they are a little pricey, but so are all things Apple. You get what you pay for. If you can't afford it, that's too bad for you, but that doesn't make the product any worse. Wide screen, tight dot pitch, ports, and the oh so cool Apple design (you know it will look swoopy and clean in the store...hardly Dell-like). It's definitely competitive.
If you want Viewsonic or Dell, go right ahead, have fun. It's a free world. Stop whining.
Old monitors better looking!!
What's the price now for the old Apple Cinema displays and how do I find them on the Apple web site?
Personally, I think the OLD Apple displays look better and more sturdier than the new ones. I'm not really impressed with the new look. They should have just made the old style have the "aluminum" look....
By the way, did they say at WWDC if the newly released PowerMacs have the new G5 chip?
What's the price now for the old Apple Cinema displays and how do I find them on the Apple web site?
Personally, I think the OLD Apple displays look better and more sturdier than the new ones. I'm not really impressed with the new look. They should have just made the old style have the "aluminum" look....
By the way, did they say at WWDC if the newly released PowerMacs have the new G5 chip?
That one has a 25ms response time, but CNET shopper found it for 641...DrGruv1 said:OLD 350 to 1 contrast
NEW 400 to 1 contrast
OLD Brightness 230
NEW Brightness 250
Price = the same????
Really should be $999 for these
The new Sony 19" SDM-S94 is silver, 600 to 1 Contrast, 250 brightness and is $725
Thats a $550+ Difference!!!! I'm a mac fan BUT! Damn
blorp said:This is real life, buddy. A normal, sane person would not drop down $9000 (CAD) for a computer and moniter.
Well... buddy.
A normal person doesn't need a $7000 computer. This is a work station, a machine used to generate income. I'm not sure what a normal person would use a 30" display for but there seems to be some misunderstanding regarding the PRO line.
I could get on dell.com right now and configure a Precision 670 that has NO WHERE near the screen real-estate (one 19" lcd) that costs $6000. Why would a normal, sane person though buy a precision workstation?
It's a work station. The powermac with 30" lcd.. is a work station.
Like I said, take a step back.. these prices aren't that outragous.
johnnypark1 said:
Hey Johnny Park! (heh heh)
You're right. This is the price range for these high-end monitors. I believe many of the complainers on the board are used to pricing out 17 inchers. There is a BIG difference in price when you step up to the big leagues.
--DT
Cooknn said:
That Sony has dual DVI inputs (front switchable) and is also the A grade panel used on the LUMA series. It's far better than any of the current 23" LCDs on the market. It also has been doing everything the Apple 23" will do in 2-4 weeks from now for the last 2 years or so. Plus, it helps that Sony actually makes LCD panels and does the tech work there whereas Apple buys what's available to them.
I really think the monitor prices aren't too bad. This kind of stuff is expensive, really expensive, yes there seems to be a need for a 17" be it widescreen or not and I think Apple may realise this by the way they have kept the 17". However maybe they just can't compete with cheap LCDs so they stick to the premium markets (ie the big widescreens).
I'm not really convinced by the look of the displays though. They just look ugly head on, although they look nice from the side. I'll reserve judgement till I see one in person.
A 30" would be awesome to have but who has that sort of money? And the Nvidia 6800 looks like a good card, its supposed to be better than the x800 for Open GL I thought, and I thought that is important for macs, however I may be wrong? and $600 sounds expensive but a PC card is $500 + the dual DVI stuff and smaller market probably comes out about right.
I'm not really convinced by the look of the displays though. They just look ugly head on, although they look nice from the side. I'll reserve judgement till I see one in person.
A 30" would be awesome to have but who has that sort of money? And the Nvidia 6800 looks like a good card, its supposed to be better than the x800 for Open GL I thought, and I thought that is important for macs, however I may be wrong? and $600 sounds expensive but a PC card is $500 + the dual DVI stuff and smaller market probably comes out about right.
What a bunch of little whiners. Those of you on your price high-horse screaming about buying a viewsonic: Have you actually priced these? Sure, you can get a semi-comparable 20" for an amazing $200 or so less, but no firewire, no widescreen, etc, etc. And the only 23" offered by viewsonic costs $2800US (do the math, that's $900US MORE then the Apple) AND has less pixels (the same as the 20" models) AND 25ms response time.
And here's another lie, the 23" does not require a new graphics card, only the 30" monitor, a size that NO OTHER VENDOR is offering. When you're the only company selling something, well, you can charge a premium if you like, but I don't think it's out of line to pay $500 more for a 30% larger screen, especially since viewsonic's target market is bargain-basement. And of course you need a special graphics card, there's over 4 MILLION bloody pixels! Let's try and base our comments at least loosely on FACTS. No wonder Dell is doing so badly if all their employees do is spend time FUDding on Mac boards.
And here's another lie, the 23" does not require a new graphics card, only the 30" monitor, a size that NO OTHER VENDOR is offering. When you're the only company selling something, well, you can charge a premium if you like, but I don't think it's out of line to pay $500 more for a 30% larger screen, especially since viewsonic's target market is bargain-basement. And of course you need a special graphics card, there's over 4 MILLION bloody pixels! Let's try and base our comments at least loosely on FACTS. No wonder Dell is doing so badly if all their employees do is spend time FUDding on Mac boards.
What I want to know...
Is...DOES THIS MONITOR GAME?
Those who know what I mean, please help me out! If it truly has 16 MS response time, that would be very slick! Who makes the panel (those who know what I am talking about please respond)? At what color depth does it have 16 MS response?
Honestly, I don't game as much on my PC as I used to, but, the monitor still needs to perform to those kind of specs!
I'm a PC user, so I'm pumped they dropped ADC for DVI. Now where to dig up the money....
I think Apple needs to send these to the nice folks at TomsHardware so they can review it.
Is...DOES THIS MONITOR GAME?
Those who know what I mean, please help me out! If it truly has 16 MS response time, that would be very slick! Who makes the panel (those who know what I am talking about please respond)? At what color depth does it have 16 MS response?
Honestly, I don't game as much on my PC as I used to, but, the monitor still needs to perform to those kind of specs!
I'm a PC user, so I'm pumped they dropped ADC for DVI. Now where to dig up the money....
I think Apple needs to send these to the nice folks at TomsHardware so they can review it.
I'm in the same boat as you. Bought my first Mac (G5) last fall, and have been waiting for a new 23". Considering the price of the competition I think it's a no-brainer to go with the Apple 23", especially since we already own a G5. No-brainer that is, if you're prepared to drop another $2Kjohnnypark1 said:
benpatient said:
Here is the sad thing. Even with a 15k Machine, you will still get the spinning beach ball from time to time! I hope they fix that in 10.4
Toppling...
Has anyone else noticed that the new monitors look like they would easily topple forward? They look so front-heavy. I'm sure Apple has worked around this, but I wonder how... that base must weigh a ton.
Has anyone else noticed that the new monitors look like they would easily topple forward? They look so front-heavy. I'm sure Apple has worked around this, but I wonder how... that base must weigh a ton.
Don't forget history
Most everyone here seems to have forgotten that the 23 inch CinemaHD was initially $3499 (if I recall correctly). When others came out with similar displays 6-12 months later Apple dropped the price. The price has been declining since. I expect the same thing to happen with this new 30 inch display.
Also the video card to drive it is not too expensive in comparison to what else can run this display. The only universally available chipset I know of that can drive this many pixels is the FireGL set. In a very quick search of the 'net I cannot find any cards based upon that chipset for under $500. Thus Apple's card probably is reasonably priced.
True, the price for this pair is more than any of us want it to be. However, for the cutting edge really to be the cutting edge sometimes it has to be the bleading edge.
Most everyone here seems to have forgotten that the 23 inch CinemaHD was initially $3499 (if I recall correctly). When others came out with similar displays 6-12 months later Apple dropped the price. The price has been declining since. I expect the same thing to happen with this new 30 inch display.
Also the video card to drive it is not too expensive in comparison to what else can run this display. The only universally available chipset I know of that can drive this many pixels is the FireGL set. In a very quick search of the 'net I cannot find any cards based upon that chipset for under $500. Thus Apple's card probably is reasonably priced.
True, the price for this pair is more than any of us want it to be. However, for the cutting edge really to be the cutting edge sometimes it has to be the bleading edge.
cr2sh said:Well... buddy.
A normal person doesn't need a $7000 computer. This is a work station, a machine used to generate income. I'm not sure what a normal person would use a 30" display for but there seems to be some misunderstanding regarding the PRO line.
I could get on dell.com right now and configure a Precision 670 that has NO WHERE near the screen real-estate (one 19" lcd) that costs $6000. Why would a normal, sane person though buy a precision workstation?
It's a work station. The powermac with 30" lcd.. is a work station.
Like I said, take a step back.. these prices aren't that outragous.
You've got a point. The PowerMac G5 IS a pro machine. It is supposed to cost a lot. You get what you pay for, right? Right. I understand why the dual 2.5 costs $4100.
Let us get back on track, though: the displays. They are great. They look good, have a good resolution - I want one. But I cannot see why the 30" would cost $500 MORE than the top-of-the-line G5? I really want the 20" display. I do. But for the $1799 that it costs, I could get 2 Samsung 173Ts (GREAT displays, by the way), have 34" of display, and save $440. For every 3" on the Apple store, you add $1000. The 17" is $999. The 20" is $1799. The 23" is $2799.
I'm just saying that, while the displays are great, they are overpriced...buddy
I personally think they are Ugly and for that Prize they are Ugly as Hell!!!
I'll stick to the older Cinema Display and the one's from LaCie.
I'll stick to the older Cinema Display and the one's from LaCie.
I'm lucky ?
I just bought the newer g5 and the older 23" 4 days ago and to my surprise, I got notification that they were going to upgrade my monitor to the newer model. I suspect this is to prevent complaints from people such as I who bought the monitors so close to the release of the new ones. No matter... I'm excited.
I'm a hardcore x86 user and now is the time to relearn and explore my creative side =)
crossing my fingers ....
I just bought the newer g5 and the older 23" 4 days ago and to my surprise, I got notification that they were going to upgrade my monitor to the newer model. I suspect this is to prevent complaints from people such as I who bought the monitors so close to the release of the new ones. No matter... I'm excited.
I'm a hardcore x86 user and now is the time to relearn and explore my creative side =)
crossing my fingers ....
They are beautiful, but certainly do not make me like my 20" ACD (now old style) any less.
I personally like the tripod arrangement, the single cable and the USB ports (although firewire is cool),
No biggy, it's nice to see Apple's homepage with all new stuff on it!
I personally like the tripod arrangement, the single cable and the USB ports (although firewire is cool),
No biggy, it's nice to see Apple's homepage with all new stuff on it!