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WWDC PowerBook G5 2.2GHz?

thatwendigo said:
Those "speed bumps" have also included at least three changes in processor - 7455 to 7457 to 7447A. The first two are pin-compatible, but I've heard some mutterings that the last is not compatible with the others and would require a new pin-out for the socket and minor revisions to the motherboard.

Oh, and I'm one of those people who does expect the G4 to "keep getting faster," because the core is about to be the basis for a new processor. The FreeScale e600 is a G4-based design with on-die memory controller, 400mhz FSB, low power consumption, and a clockrate that should be introduced around 2.0ghz at a mere 17 watts peak. The dual-core version adds a second logical core, and only 8 more watts, for a dual 2.0ghz chip at 25 watts peak expenditure.

That is what I want in the PowerBook.
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A. The last chip revision was from 7447 to 7447A, and yes, they are pin compatible.

B. Steve Jobs himself has said that Apple is working on fitting a G5 into the PowerBooks. (I'm too lazy to find the link but it's on this site somewhere.) And no, Steve wasn't being cute when he talked of a G5, i.e. he's not thinking some future Freescale chip a "G5." The G5 is going into the PowerBook. It's just a matter of time, and of which flavor--970fx is the most likely but Apple-IBM may have something completely new up its sleeve.
 
jeff.macaddict said:
There will be no PowerBook, there will however, be an XBook.

-15 and 17 only.
-Aluminum enclosure, all of which resembles the speaker grill on the current PBs.
-1 and 2 iPod hard drives, totalling 160 GBs, for pro apps where multiple drives come in handy.
-2.2 and 3.0 GHz G5 processor with 1.2 GHz and 1.8 GHz system bus.
-2 and 4 GB PC4000 RAM
-16X AGP Pro GPU with 512 MB VRAM
-3 USB, 2 FW400, 2 FW800, ADC (XBook must be plugged in) and DVI (full size)
-Swap Bay- A second optical drive, or a second battery.
-Built in mini WiFi
-Longer lived battery, yielding a claimed 8 hrs.

This will be sold alongside the existing portable options. Prices rumored to start at $3,499 and $4,099

This is real people!
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1 or 2 iPod type HDs totaling 160GB?!?! What the heck were you smoking? Coulda had a good rumor-float going but...

1 - iPod HDs in a box this size doesn't make any sense at all
2 - iPod HDs MAX size is 40GB now and 60GB 'late summer'
3 - iPod HDs are slower than 2.5" normal laptop drives
4 - Normal 2.5" are cheaper and have no problem fitting into the current super slim PowerBook design so in a thicker designed systems like you've detailed above certainly wouldn't have any problem using a 2.5" drive too.

I won't even get into full ADC on the system...

Finally with the amount of ram that video card has... how many fans with that sucker have anyway?!?! :lol: :lol:

The only way you could ever come up to 160GB using iPod hard drives (OR Toshiba 1.8" drives as most people refer as) would be to use THREE drives (1 @ 40GB + 2 @ 60GB) and even then I'm betting that the 60GB when it does ship will be pretty much reserved for a new iPod when it gets announced. Heh, you shoulda left well enough alone and just quoted 160GB HD size (without going over the top and trying to shoehorn in the word iPod when it clearly doesn't make any sense for a product like this) you might have suckered more people.

Live and Learn... :p
 
dongmin said:
B. Steve Jobs himself has said that Apple is working on fitting a G5 into the PowerBooks. (I'm too lazy to find the link but it's on this site somewhere.) And no, Steve wasn't being cute when he talked of a G5, i.e. he's not thinking some future Freescale chip a "G5." The G5 is going into the PowerBook. It's just a matter of time, and of which flavor--970fx is the most likely but Apple-IBM may have something completely new up its sleeve.
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Oh yes, there is no doubt there will eventually be a G5 PowerBook, and I realize Jobs said this, but as you said - it's a matter of time. Early 2005 is my guess.

Of course, the more important question is does a G5 PowerBook make sense, and is it the most logical thing to pursue right now? Sometimes companies get caught up in doing something for the sake of doing it, and not considering whether it's the right thing to do or not, or does it make sense and is it feasible. The average uneducated consumer is like this as well - they just want the latest and greatest technology in everything regardless of if it makes sense or not, and paying no consideration to any type of re-engineering work, etc. that may need to be accomplished, let alone a slew of other technological and business-related factors.

Will there be G5 PowerBooks? Yes. Does it make sense to shoehorn in a server-class chip into a laptop? I guess that's up for debate, but I haven't seen many Itanium laptops around - seems like Intel has a different take on things, and perhaps another G4 revision would make sense in Apple's case. Will it happen? I personally don't think so, but as for comments made by posters like thatwendigo, I completely agree with what they're saying.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for G5s in everything, but it's not always as simple as that!
 
Guys, I must also tell you that the new powerbooks will be able to masquerade as you so that you can send them to work in your stead. They will do your job more effectively than you would have and you will get big promotions accompanied by big fat paychecks.

It's the new Powerbook NGH: Not Gonna Happen.
 
DaveGee said:
1 or 2 iPod type HDs totaling 160GB?!?! What the heck were you smoking? Coulda had a good rumor-float going but...

1 - iPod HDs in a box this size doesn't make any sense at all
2 - iPod HDs MAX size is 40GB now and 60GB 'late summer'
3 - iPod HDs are slower than 2.5" normal laptop drives
4 - Normal 2.5" are cheaper and have no problem fitting into the current super slim PowerBook design so in a thicker designed systems like you've detailed above certainly wouldn't have any problem using a 2.5" drive too.

I won't even get into full ADC on the system...

Finally with the amount of ram that video card has... how many fans with that sucker have anyway?!?! :lol: :lol:

The only way you could ever come up to 160GB using iPod hard drives (OR Toshiba 1.8" drives as most people refer as) would be to use THREE drives (1 @ 40GB + 2 @ 60GB) and even then I'm betting that the 60GB when it does ship will be pretty much reserved for a new iPod when it gets announced. Heh, you shoulda left well enough alone and just quoted 160GB HD size (without going over the top and trying to shoehorn in the word iPod when it clearly doesn't make any sense for a product like this) you might have suckered more people.

Live and Learn... :p
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I can't believe you thought I was at all serious. :p I was merely making a specultion that is just as believeable, and just as reliable as the one that started all this madness.
 
It wouldnt really surprise me a whole lot if Apple would put out an update to the PB G4s only a couple of months before releasing a PB G5...it would be a great way to get one last sales boost out of that mature design.....
 
I believe I mentioned previously that the G5 PowerBook would not arrive during 2004. Once again: Apple is working hard on a G5 PowerBook. When it's ready, it will be nothing short of spectacular. And that won't be during 2004.

elo
 
elo said:
I believe I mentioned previously that the G5 PowerBook would not arrive during 2004. Have people really not figured out who I am, or are they just not listening?

Once again: Apple is working hard on a G5 PowerBook. When it's ready, it will be nothing short of spectacular. And that won't be during 2004.

elo
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or, option 3, they don't care who you are? If you want to say it, say it.
 
elo said:
I believe I mentioned previously that the G5 PowerBook would not arrive during 2004. Have people really not figured out who I am, or are they just not listening?

Once again: Apple is working hard on a G5 PowerBook. When it's ready, it will be nothing short of spectacular. And that won't be during 2004.

elo
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I've got it...YOU'RE ~Shard~!

Squire
 
System bus?

The great strength of the PMG5s is their blazingly fast system bus. What does a G4 top out at? 133mhz? With a 1.5Ghz proc.?
All of the PMG5's have a bus equal to half the proc speed. :eek: Will this feature find its way into the new PBG5's? :confused:
If not, they'd may as well keep on scaling the G4's! :eek: :confused:
 
i can't believe you are eating this up

reading some of the posts in this thread really made me laugh.

there will NOT be a PowerBook G5 before the end of the year.

it will be too hot, it wouldnt make sense considering G4's were just updated, since the highest feasible DDR SODIMM available now is 1GB, it would max out at 2GB anyways, and plus, look at older releases. anytime they update a line, they ALWAYS update it's capabilities. what would they update, thats not already top of the line in the powerbook G4 series?

FireWire 800? check.
Superdrive? check.
USB 2.0? check.
DVI Video? check.
Airport Extreme? check.
Gigabit Ethernet? check.
Bluetooth? check.

in the older releases, they were identified by what capabilities they had. (ie DVI Powerbook, Gigabit Ethernet, etc.) and there's nothing to update, unless something like firewireless would be ready and apple actually wanted to do it. the only update i could see would be the 100GB hard drives that were rumored. so wow, a 1.6 GHz G5 with the only difference being a 100GB hard drive? psh, what an update over a 1.5GHz G4!

people, don't believe something that's anonymous. you all are tools that do. he/she is probably sitting back laughing at you all now.
 
Squire said:
I've got it...YOU'RE ~Shard~!

Squire
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Hey, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Is this some indirect crack against me and my posts?! ;) :)

Well, this elo guy does seem to be copying exactly what I've been saying (word for word nonetheless!) - but I ensure you I have no idea who this guy is... and why he's making such a big deal about who he is.

Hmm, perhaps he's... NEATGEKKO!!! :cool:
 
even if they announce it on WWDC, it'll probably only start shipping 2 months later, or maybe even January. if so, then the time-interval between updates would be more plausible.
 
Ryan1524 said:
even if they announce it on WWDC, it'll probably only start shipping 2 months later, or maybe even January. if so, then the time-interval between updates would be more plausible.
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As I said before, I don't know if Apple would do this unless forced into it by chip delays from IBM. Usually, when a RevB of a product is announced it ships essentially right away, so unless there are some huge changes to the PowerMac line thus warranting longer shipping times, I don't think Apple will want to do the old "release now, ship in x months" game again - especially not with there already being an entire year between PowerMac updates. If Jobs has to announce yet another 2, 3 or 4 month wait on top of that, then many people will be quite upset. As I said, if his hands are essentially tied due to technological setbacks over the past few months, so be it, but I think Jobs would want to do everything possible to ensure that once the new PowerMacs are announced, they will be available immediately.

Perhaps this is in part why the wait for PowerMac updates has been so long - new models were possibly ready a couple months ago, but Jobs wanted to hold onto them until WWDC when he coulsd showcase them AND announce that they are shipping instantly. That would be the formula for good press. Now if he announces the new PowerMacs are shipping right away AND the new top-end is a 3 GHz G5, then that will be BIG news. :cool:
 
Analog Kid said:
Sounds like a G5 iMac to me... 15" comes in at 20 lbs.
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The only problem is that its a -biiitch- to carry that thing because its weighted so oddly. No way it'll fit in a briefcase either. ;-)

20lbs is a bit more than 10-15 though. ;-)

Now if I could get the iMac with just the base... except more CUBE shaped than round... then we'd have something. Add in one of those collapsable flat-panels and I'd be kicking ass and taking names.
 
Wow, I'd love an XBook. :)

17" wide-screen
*Carbon fiber case*
3ghz G5
1.5Ghz Bus
Graphics whatever
No illuminated keyboard (its worthless on my 15" Albook, the grey keys and light grey letters is a bitch to read... using the screen to light up the board works much better in most cases... i leave the optics off)
4 hour battery life (that 970fx scales baby)
4GB RAM max
No built in speakers... instead, a NUMPAD + page up/down/end/home, etc
Full size function keys
1x Firewire 800
2x Firewire 400
2x USB 2
ADC/DV out
gigabit ethernet
56k v.92 modem
bluetooth
airport extreme
1 cardbus slot
160GB 7200 RPM HD
mic/line-in
11 lbs

$3499.00
 
~Shard~ said:
Hey, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Is this some indirect crack against me and my posts?! ;) :)

Well, this elo guy does seem to be copying exactly what I've been saying (word for word nonetheless!) - but I ensure you I have no idea who this guy is... and why he's making such a big deal about who he is.

Hmm, perhaps he's... NEATGEKKO!!! :cool:
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Not a crack at all, ~Shard~. It's just that this elo guy does seem to be copying exactly what you've been saying (word for word nonetheless!). ;)

Squire
 
jeff.macaddict said:
There will be no PowerBook, there will however, be an XBook.

-15 and 17 only.
-Aluminum enclosure, all of which resembles the speaker grill on the current PBs.
-1 and 2 iPod hard drives, totalling 160 GBs, for pro apps where multiple drives come in handy.
-2.2 and 3.0 GHz G5 processor with 1.2 GHz and 1.8 GHz system bus.
-2 and 4 GB PC4000 RAM
-16X AGP Pro GPU with 512 MB VRAM
-3 USB, 2 FW400, 2 FW800, ADC (XBook must be plugged in) and DVI (full size)
-Swap Bay- A second optical drive, or a second battery.
-Built in mini WiFi
-Longer lived battery, yielding a claimed 8 hrs.

This will be sold alongside the existing portable options. Prices rumored to start at $3,499 and $4,099

This is real people!
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hey theres no such thing as agp pro 16x

and how can you have a 3GHz g5 with a 1.8GHz system bus

and not even a fire gl has 512 vram
 
~Shard~ said:
Hey, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Is this some indirect crack against me and my posts?! ;) :)

Well, this elo guy does seem to be copying exactly what I've been saying (word for word nonetheless!) - but I ensure you I have no idea who this guy is... and why he's making such a big deal about who he is.

Hmm, perhaps he's... NEATGEKKO!!! :cool:
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Shard, I haven't been keeping up with much of the discussion, though I did read this thread. If any of my wording is similar to yours, I can assure you it's just coincidence. If you search my old posts, you'll see that I've been denying rumors of an early G5 PowerBook release for quite a while.

I also don't think I'm making a big deal about "who" I am. About a month or so ago, I had the opportunity to deliver some actual *news* to this site, but I could not reveal who I was. Though posting so-called inside information without an identity diminishes somewhat the credibility of the information posted, I made a decision to do so anyway because I thought it would be helpful to some. One person here said some very unkind things because I *wouldn't* say who I was. My identity comment was directed at that person only.

elo
 
:( Now I'm in a major bind. I have my credit card ready to purchase my very first Powerbook, and now a little rumor comes along that Apple will release PB G5s as early as WWDC. I want one so bad but I would have to still wait 22 days to find out if Apple does come through. A part of me wants to get my hands on a G5 processor and even if Jobs annouces it would still be willing to wait till September for delivery, but the other part says just give in buy one now, cause they're probably might not be much faster generally and I wouldn't have to wait, plus Rev.A models might have some little defects cause of the G5. Plus I think with Jobs already probably spending most of the Keynote discussing Tiger, possibly new PowerMacs and Displays he might not have much time to discuss Powerbooks which would need a bit of Jobs time to really discuss their design that he might not have. What to do!! :(
 
starcrossed said:
:( Now I'm in a major bind. I have my credit card ready to purchase my very first Powerbook, and now a little rumor comes along that Apple will release PB G5s as early as WWDC. I want one so bad but I would have to still wait 22 days to find out if Apple does come through. A part of me wants to get my hands on a G5 processor and even if Jobs annouces it would still be willing to wait till September for delivery, but the other part says just give in buy one now, cause they're probably might not be much faster generally and I wouldn't have to wait, plus Rev.A models might have some little defects cause of the G5. Plus I think with Jobs already probably spending most of the Keynote discussing Tiger, possibly new PowerMacs and Displays he might not have much time to discuss Powerbooks which would need a bit of Jobs time to really discuss their design that he might not have. What to do!! :(
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Since you are willing to wait until September, you might as well wait a few more weeks just in case. Personally, I don't think we'll see a new PowerBook this month, but I wouldn't be surprised to see price drops, and that's another reason to wait.
 
starcrossed said:
:( Now I'm in a major bind. I have my credit card ready to purchase my very first Powerbook, and now a little rumor comes along that Apple will release PB G5s as early as WWDC. I want one so bad but I would have to still wait 22 days to find out if Apple does come through. A part of me wants to get my hands on a G5 processor and even if Jobs annouces it would still be willing to wait till September for delivery, but the other part says just give in buy one now, cause they're probably might not be much faster generally and I wouldn't have to wait, plus Rev.A models might have some little defects cause of the G5. Plus I think with Jobs already probably spending most of the Keynote discussing Tiger, possibly new PowerMacs and Displays he might not have much time to discuss Powerbooks which would need a bit of Jobs time to really discuss their design that he might not have. What to do!! :(
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Time rewards those who wait... I am also waiting for the PowerBook G5 to buy ... when it comes out. The G5 will have a clear speed difference ,even in low GHz than current models. However I am afraid that we won't see it this
year. I am placing my bet for Jan 2005.

Maverick
 
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