I think that if they 970fx production has ramped up enough, we will see PowerBook G5s at WWDC. Even if production hasn't increased enough, I think that we will at least see them previewed at WWDC.
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WWDC PowerBook G5 2.2GHz?
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wow. i'd be really suprised to see a 2.2GHz G5 PowerBook anytime soon... that's a massive speed jump.
it's probably more likely that if the G5 was to be realeased it'd be around the 1.7 or 1.8GHz speeds.
mind you, if Apple wants to put the G5s in iMacs the PowerBooks would also have to be updated to use the same speed (at least) processor.
it's probably more likely that if the G5 was to be realeased it'd be around the 1.7 or 1.8GHz speeds.
mind you, if Apple wants to put the G5s in iMacs the PowerBooks would also have to be updated to use the same speed (at least) processor.
Calebj14 said:
Funny that people really think that. Maybe its presented by some aliens from mars
Calebj14 said:
Are you a betting man?
No G5 PowerBooks will be released until 2005. As for being previewed, I don't think Apple has ever really "previewed" new hardware which is 6 months (or more) away from release (let alone shipping dates) - Apple has always just previewed software, as it is doing with Tiger @ WWDC. Plus Apple will have enough to announce at WWDC as it is - PowerMac updates, possible iPod updates, possible iMac updates, iTMS Europe, new displays... PowerBooks are going to be at the bottom of the list, especially since they were just updated. Heck, technically eMacs are due for updates before PowerBooks at this stage of the game.
Squire said:Not a crack at all, ~Shard~. It's just that this elo guy does seem to be copying exactly what you've been saying (word for word nonetheless!).
Squire
No worries Squire, just having some fun myself.
starcrossed said:
I say buy now, people who are honestly expecting a G5 powerbook at WWDC, only 2 months after the release of the lateset update, are on glue (no disrespect intended).
The current lineup ARE the new PB's, they only came out on April 19th. More importantly, they didn't ship to many people until a month ago. They had a significant price drop when they came out. For people to expect more only a month or two later is a serious pipe dream. Some people seem to think if they want it bad enough that they will get it sooner. Then there is the real world.
Look at how this thread got started. An anonymous idiot posts a report with absolutely NO foundation whatsoever. The site he posted it on put so little faith into it that they actually pulled it from their site. And yet, even with how completely unfounded this rumor is look at how many people think it is still going to happen.
The bottom line, Apple manages its inventory well. Some people have said that the last update was just to clear old stock out of channels... A) Apple doesn't carry months of stock anymore (they got bit by that bad in the 90's) and B) they are making these machines daily. Furthermore, Apple has never updated the PB lineup twice in a 2 month period (And no, the 15" in Nov 2002 and the 12" and 17" in Jan 2003 doesn't count). Finally, there are heat issues besides the processor.
A new chip will come in the PB lineup, of course. Is it going to happen immediately after an update... not likely. Look to September or or more likely January for that.
Cheers!
James
elo said:
No problems at all elo, glad to have you in the forums and particiapting in the discussions - we're just all having some fun here and as Squire pointed out, he thought it amusing that you're comments were mirroring my own.
And by all means, if you have "inside information", please share it - just please don't convey it with the attitude of the now infamous NeatGekko, who was arrogantly stating his wild predictions as fact (he actually guarranteed 3 GHz G5s @ MWSF!) Thanks for the reply James L, I clearly see your point about how the time the latest Powerbooks finally got in the hands of their first consumers has only been about a handful of weeks, so the line is perspectively, extremely young. So either I wait 22 more days to see what happens, or just give in and enjoy my PB now and not be waiting till the shipping day in September or an annoucement in January and shipping in the Spring '05. But as I think about it, the current machines, yes have old G4s, but are still fairly decent machines. I imagine going from my iMac 800mhz G4 to the Powerbook 1.5Ghz G4 would already be great power boost for me, and I can always load that baby with more ram to keep it purring for at least two years, and it also has specs that are higher than the requirments of the power hungry apps I use, so I should be okay. However Apple/Steve Jobs can be unpredictable at times so I'll probably at least give it a week to think it over and watch for any more rumors then I'll make my decision.
jeff.macaddict said:
B.S.
Toshiba just announced 1.8" 60GB drives, so there are no 80GB ones. AGP Pro is 8x, not 16X. The technology that you're referring to is PCI-Express, and it's bleeding edge in laptops right now. The G5 doesn't support partal bus modifiers, so the 2.2ghz would have to be 1.1ghz, 550mhz, or some other whole-number variant, just as the 3.0 would have to be 1.5ghz, 750mhz, or another variant. There is no PC4000 SO-DIMM RAM and using full-sized DIMMS would take an inordinate amount of space in a laptop, especially with that PCI-Express GPU and giant heatsink for the 3.0ghz G5.
Last, but not least... How the hell would it increase battery life, while entirely moving to hotter, faster parts?
James L said:
Ah, lovely. That's what I get for posting right after work has been beating me senseless.
Guys, get real. Stop and think how powerful and advanced the last Powerbook release is? There is nothing on the Wintel side that can touch the new Powerbooks. Almost all of the Centrinos have 3600 rpm drives and a 32 mb video card. Plus the chip used in them is nothing more than a glorified Pentium 3. Intel won't tell you that because it hurts their marketing campaign. The other option in the Wintel world is to get one of the standard P 4 laptops that weigh between 11 and 12 lbs, has 1 hour of battery life and run hot enough to fry eggs on the cover. The Powerbooks are the most powerful and elegant laptops available today.
stockscalper said:
You know, I'm all for supporting Apple, but that's one of the most ignorant blanket statements I've ever heard. The new batch of Pentium-M processors pretty well kills single G4s on most benchmarks, because it defeats the desktop Petium 4 on a lot of things. There are also plenty of PC manufacturers that make top-end Centrino laptops that are at least somewhat feature competitive with the Powerbook and do it at around the same price.
Actually, most PC laptops have something like SiS or Intel integrataed graphics at the low end. If you move into the professional sector, like IBM's thinkpad T4x series, you see things like 7200RPM drives, but a lot of the OEMs cut corners somewhere.
Come on. I love the mac and all, but you don't accomplish anything by using such blantantly misinformed rhetoric. The "nothing more" Pentium M has a revised memory bus, vastly more advanced cache, and more execution units than its little brother, while also managing to outperform Pentium 4s at around double it's clockspeed.
There are a large number of things that are available on the PC side that don't come over to us, from true subcompacts and tablets on to the huge slabs of "desktop replacements" that you're talking about. It's the strength of their market - more choice and generally cheaper prices. This has all been overly simplistic cheerleading, and it's not at all what we need to be doing when it comes to Apple.
I'll go with you on elegance, but I can't follow on performance with a fully clear conscience.
stockscalper said:
Where did you get this info? I see 128MB video card ram PC laptops. Moreover the Pentium M/Centrino(The glorified Pentium 3) kicks Pentium 4's ass in similiar clock frequencies. Intel will probably use Pentium M as the successor to Pentium 4.
Maverick
PS: So ,the G5 PowerBook is realy needed for Apple, for performance issues.
PS2: And there are some Athlon64 PC laptops on the market too...
I, for one, think it will be here sooner than some people think, just because Apple loves surprises.
maverick13 said:
I get this info from manufacturers' spec sheets that are sent to me. As a corporate president I have final authority on what we buy. I just went through an exercise two weeks ago and reviewed the VAIO's, HP's and Toshibas' and the specs I quoted were what was given in the pricing info. The Sony had a nice screen, but except for that the Wintel machines are way behind the Powerbooks. They are slow, hot, ugly and clunky. That was my impression after spending a significant amount of hands on time with them.
stockscalper said:
Maverick13 is right, the Pentium M is considered are far better chip than the Pentium 4, and there are those who believe the next generation chips will be based on the M. I also believe the Pentium M is a better chip than the G4 MHz for MHz. As to whether it is not a "glorified Pentium III" you can find plenty of arguments about if the Pentium M was truly "designed from the groung up" as Intel claims. No matter what, it was designed to be a mobile chip and is excellent at that.
Also, PB's have a reputation for being amongst the hotter of laptop computers. I totally disagree with your assement of the Windows laptops. Don't get me wrong I would love to have a PB myself, but there are plenty of other laptops I wouldn't classify as slow, hot, ugly or clunky.
~Shard~ said:No problems at all elo, glad to have you in the forums and particiapting in the discussions - we're just all having some fun here and as Squire pointed out, he thought it amusing that you're comments were mirroring my own.
It's a deal!
Acutally, I almost never have insider information; usually I'm just as surprised as everyone else.
elo
thatwendigo said:You know, I'm all for supporting Apple, but that's one of the most ignorant blanket statements I've ever heard. The new batch of Pentium-M processors pretty well kills single G4s on most benchmarks, because it defeats the desktop Petium 4 on a lot of things. There are also plenty of PC manufacturers that make top-end Centrino laptops that are at least somewhat feature competitive with the Powerbook and do it at around the same price.
Actually, most PC laptops have something like SiS or Intel integrataed graphics at the low end. If you move into the professional sector, like IBM's thinkpad T4x series, you see things like 7200RPM drives, but a lot of the OEMs cut corners somewhere.
Come on. I love the mac and all, but you don't accomplish anything by using such blantantly misinformed rhetoric. The "nothing more" Pentium M has a revised memory bus, vastly more advanced cache, and more execution units than its little brother, while also managing to outperform Pentium 4s at around double it's clockspeed.
There are a large number of things that are available on the PC side that don't come over to us, from true subcompacts and tablets on to the huge slabs of "desktop replacements" that you're talking about. It's the strength of their market - more choice and generally cheaper prices. This has all been overly simplistic cheerleading, and it's not at all what we need to be doing when it comes to Apple.
I'll go with you on elegance, but I can't follow on performance with a fully clear conscience.
out of interest how long do you spend reserching and typeing out your epic post's?
ill eat my hand if powerbooks dont come~Shard~ said:No problems at all elo, glad to have you in the forums and particiapting in the discussions - we're just all having some fun here and as Squire pointed out, he thought it amusing that you're comments were mirroring my own.
When the G5 models of the PowerBook line arrive, don't expect the clock speed to be near what the PowerMac series will have. Despite the 90nm fabrication process, it's still a processor in need of more cooling than a notebook form factor can provide at full speeds.
What did they do with the XServe? They removed one drive bay to allow more air and they sped up the eight fans to compensate for the lack of air volume. Can they do this with a PowerBook? No. However, a machine running at 1-1.2 GHz might be cool enough to avoid a meltdown.
Perhaps, a new metal alloy capable of dispersing the heat to the exterior and gloves for the user to wear.
What did they do with the XServe? They removed one drive bay to allow more air and they sped up the eight fans to compensate for the lack of air volume. Can they do this with a PowerBook? No. However, a machine running at 1-1.2 GHz might be cool enough to avoid a meltdown.
Perhaps, a new metal alloy capable of dispersing the heat to the exterior and gloves for the user to wear.