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Those screencaps from TBS do look much like iMac screens without the iMac. But Apple wouldn't let a new product out that way, and the clear tripod doesn't look geometric enough to be Apple's current styling.

I'm guessing it's some 3rd-party Apple-rip-off PC display, which you could find and buy if you looked hard enough.
 
sorry, but I don't think that it makes sense

macsrus said:
Tiger has a 64 bit kernel.......


Sorry to sound like jragosta, but do you have any proof of this? (Or, do you mean that some parts of the microkernel will be 64-bit with everything else still 32-bit?)

Note that supporting more than 4GiB of physical RAM does not require a 64-bit kernel - Windows supports up to 64 GiB on Xeon processors, with a 32-bit o/s.

Shifting to a 64-bit operating system, by which I mean that applications can address more than 4 GiB off RAM (and memory pointers used by applications are 64-bits), is a huge undertaking. It requires new APIs and libraries, dealing with old 32-bit applications and libraries alongside 64-bit applications and their libraries, new tools, developer education, etc.

The Apple employee that I talked to said that Apple's 64-bit roadmap would be announced at WWDC. He used the word "roadmap", he did not say anything about 64-bit product announcements.

Other companies have given the tools and documentation to their developers very early in the 64-bit migration process -- that's the only way to ensure that actual 64-bit applications are ready when the 64-bit O/S appears.

So, I would be skeptical of any news that 10.4 is a true 64-bit system - it would be foolish of Apple to surprise their developers with a completed 64-bit system, and therefore to have no 64-bit applications that could actually use it.

Note that their really isn't any point in making a 64-bit version of OS X a big surprise. Everyone knows that they'll be doing, they've said that they'll be doing it.

The smart thing is to tell the developers as much as possible as early as reasonable (just like they did as OS X was in development). That way you can make a bigger splash at announcement by actually showing some big applications that *use 64-bits*.
 
When someone mentioned pizza box architecture and a hangable feature in the iMac, the logical conclusion seems obvious. When on a desk, the pizza box will be the housing and will have a flat panel monitor that folds up from the pizza box housing which sits flat on the desk. When hung, the panel is folded down so that it is flush with the box and then can be hung on the wall. The sides will have firewire, usb 2.0, power, dvi out, ethernet, modem, etc.. and of course it will be airport extreme and bluetooth out of the box.
 
how will 64-bit help a low-end consumer machine?

nagromme said:
Is this a serious question? :D

Absolutely.

What is the point of talking about 64-bits when the system won't hold more than 4 GiB, when the operating system is 32-bits, and all the applications are 32-bits?

Even when there is a 64-bit O/S and 64-bit applications, a consumer machine with 4 GiB of RAM or less won't have much of an advantage over the 32-bit versions of the applications.

It's reasonable to say that you're disappointed that the iMac might be getting the "fast G5" before the PowerBooks, but 64-bits isn't relevant....
 
iDave said:
Pardon me? Sorry to take one sentence out of context, but can you explain that statement? Or were you thinking NTSC television screen?

Sorry, but I made a mistake. I meant to say that the resolution on NTSC and PAL television was horrible and that's why LCD TVs are cheaper than monitors. As Heinlein said, TANSTAAFL.

AL-FAMOUS said:
and you argued your point against me so passionatly, infact tried to make me look stupid.....

hum anyway.. atleast you have "stepped back"

There is one reason ,and one reason only, that I have stepped back on the G5 iMac, and that's the simple fact that Apple now has a production liquid cooling system. I don't believe we'll see anything short of a liquid cooled G5 in a small form factor, because Apple doesn't believe in doing their engineering by half measures and the statement was made that the iMac was facing some rather similar problems to the PowerBook.

Obviously, a steady power supply than can be pulled from the wall, along with a more open design, would allow a solution to be found for the problem. What many people misunderstand about my arguments is that I don't say a 970 iMac is impossible, only that certain things about their fantasies are extremely unlikely. Apple could release a 970FX iMac tomorrow - provided you don't care how expensive, loud, or ugly it is. Many people don't care about at least two of those, which is why Dell is still in business, but I'm glad that Ive and Jobs do.

i take it you also take back the imac will be killed off thing???

Actually, I still wish they would kill the All-in-One concept in favor of a real consumer tower. However, the PowerMac bumps didn't make them quite the workstations I might have hoped for, so that means that this desire, too, is unlikely to come to pass at the moment.

Ah well.

oingoboingo said:
It's a matter of personal taste as to what you want your monitor to do (or not to do).

True, and that's all I was saying - I don't particularly want a display that has all that crammed in to, for various reasons.

MikeTheC said:
The problem is when you appeal to the masses, you get masses of idiots for customers. That kind of constant harangue is NOT something that Apple needs or should let themselves in for. Think of this as being comparable to having a neighborhood or development where the entry price is fairly high (say $350K and up). It keeps, how shall I say, the trash out of the neighborhood.

How to put this delicately?

I delivered pizza in an upscale area - several in fact - and I noticed a couple of things that would surprise you about them. First of all, there was a kind of bullheaded belief amongst the people there that, even though they didn't know what it was like to work manual labor, we only deserved what they were willing to give us, and that was often nothing (more often than in poorer neighborhoods). On top of that, I never encountered so many people who thought they knew how to do my job better than I did, while completely failing to comply with even basic requests and guidelines that were meant to help them as much as us. They were rude as a general rule, unthinking in their criticism, and generally unwilling to even concede they might be wrong or that their supposed 'deal' they had from someone else was because of cut corners.

Actually, I guess it really is a lot like some of the mac community after all. They don't know anything about physics or electronics, constantly try to think they can improve a business Jobs is in the middle of saving, and generally complain that a crappier brand has a "better" deal, when it's really just hiding the costs and creative marketing lies. :D

ClimbingTheLog said:
If this is the removable tablet, you can have a series of contact electrodes that would hook up video, firewire, etc, when you slide the screen into the cradle. They could be positioned evenly and with the right lustre metal could even be attractive. They would be flat and unobtrusive on the portable. Positioned correctly any size screen/table could latch onto the dock/cradle/basestation.

That's a terrible idea, for several reason.

  1. The use of contacts as opposed to plugs allows for a much greater problem with lack of signal if an end-suer doesn't seat it properly. There's also the issue of the contacts becoming dirty, losing conductive material over time, and other basic issues that would affect the usability.
  2. Smart displays cost almost as much as the iMac does on its own. The chepest ones are smaller than the current screen (at a mere 12") and cost $800, while one the size of the current low-end iMac costs $1,000-1,400 and can't display video while detached.
  3. Battery life.

There's more, but that's enough reason not to do it.

AidenShaw said:
Absolutely.

What is the point of talking about 64-bits when the system won't hold more than 4 GiB, when the operating system is 32-bits, and all the applications are 32-bits?

Even when there is a 64-bit O/S and 64-bit applications, a consumer machine with 4 GiB of RAM or less won't have much of an advantage over the 32-bit versions of the applications.

It's reasonable to say that you're disappointed that the iMac might be getting the "fast G5" before the PowerBooks, but 64-bits isn't relevant....

B-but... It's got more numbers! Look!

I mean, it's got a G5, and that's obviously better than a G4 because it's bigger and shinier! No way it could at all have any downsides... So I want one. It's got more of those bit things, too. See? There's 64 of them, and not just 32! That means it's faster!

I can't believe Apple isn't putting dual G5s in the PowerBook. What do they think we are, stupid? The PC world has Pentium 4s and those Athlon 64 things in laptops, so we ought to have dual G5s! :rolleyes:

(The above is firmly tongue-in-cheek, since I know someone will misunderstand.)
 
thatwendigo said:
B-but... It's got more numbers! Look!

I mean, it's got a G5, and that's obviously better than a G4 because it's bigger and shinier! No way it could at all have any downsides... So I want one. It's got more of those bit things, too.

See? There's 64 of them, and not just 32! That means it's faster!

Well put!

For almost everyone, "64-bits" is just marketing hype until everything on the following list is true:

o The computer has more than 4 GiB of physical RAM
o OS X has been ported to be true 64-bit throughout
o Applications have been ported to the new 64-bit APIs
o You have a dataset for a 64-bit application that actually needs to hold 4 GiB or more in memory

Unless all of these are true, a 32-bit CPU will be just as good as a 64-bit CPU for almost everything.
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The G5 is a nice "shiny, fast" chip, and you should want one.

But, you want it because it's fast - not because it's 64-bit.

64-bits isn't relevant today, it's just marketing hype (unless you're running 64-bit Linux, which I doubt).
 
I just love this community...

Guys, I know this is a little off subject, but I just had to say it: this Mac community thing is great !!!

I have been a lowly user of MS machines since the days of DOS 4.0 :eek: and, after having worked my latest Pentium 3 to the bones, I have finally decided to switch to Mac. Reading your rants and comments has been slightly instrumental in this decision...

ANYWAY, I am now praying all possible divinities for a new iMac G5 to be announced at the WWDC on Monday. But, if nothing is revealed, I'll just have to go ahead and buy that PM G5 2.0GHz I have been drooling over since it came out. It's a hard life... :p
 
thatwendigo said:
B-but... It's got more numbers! Look!

I mean, it's got a G5, and that's obviously better than a G4 because it's bigger and shinier! No way it could at all have any downsides... So I want one. It's got more of those bit things, too. See? There's 64 of them, and not just 32! That means it's faster!

I can't believe Apple isn't putting dual G5s in the PowerBook. What do they think we are, stupid? The PC world has Pentium 4s and those Athlon 64 things in laptops, so we ought to have dual G5s! :rolleyes:

(The above is firmly tongue-in-cheek, since I know someone will misunderstand.)

It is so confusing because the G5 is only 25% more than a G4, but it is 64-bits instead of 32-bits so it should be twice as much. On the other than it is 1 more than a Pentium 4 but barely 1/12 of an Athlon 64.

Damn all these numbers. It is so confusing. All I know is my 8088 must kick all their butts.
 
Jagooah said:
Guys, I know this is a little off subject, but I just had to say it: this Mac community thing is great !!!

I have been a lowly user of MS machines since the days of DOS 4.0 :eek: and, after having worked my latest Pentium 3 to the bones, I have finally decided to switch to Mac. Reading your rants and comments has been slightly instrumental in this decision...

ANYWAY, I am now praying all possible divinities for a new iMac G5 to be announced at the WWDC on Monday. But, if nothing is revealed, I'll just have to go ahead and buy that PM G5 2.0GHz I have been drooling over since it came out. It's a hard life... :p

I am in the same boat. I think that I could be very happy with a 1.5 to 2.0 G5 iMac (depending on screen size of course) if new iMac's do not come next week, I will have to look at getting the 1.8 G5 dual. Though it may have to be a refurb unit.
 
pjkelnhofer said:
It is so confusing because the G5 is only 25% more than a G4, but it is 64-bits instead of 32-bits so it should be twice as much. On the other than it is 1 more than a Pentium 4 but barely 1/12 of an Athlon 64.

Damn all these numbers. It is so confusing. All I know is my 8088 must kick all their butts.

Your 8088 must bow to my 68040! :D
 
My first Post:)

Okay I was thinking last night, something I rarely do...

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=484
When Jobs was demonstrating the new Airport Express, Walt Mossberg said that the biggest problem he saw was that users had to get up and walk to their computers to change play lists. Jobs joked that walking was good, but when pressed, he smiled a wry smile. AppleInsider correspondents took this to mean that Apple is developing in this area, and the Airport Express is just a step along the way.


We know Apple has been working with Tivo... what it this hanging display is a WiFI Media center that controls Music and video and can be used with an existing Tivo - there is a LAN line on Airport Express that would make it easy to use with a Tivo...

(Sorry if this has been talked about already I did not see it;)

EDIT: I did see a mention of an "iBox" - this would be close to it but more of a WiFi divice that worked as a Media remote with a touch screen that would be about the size of a 15" monitor that sent comands to a computer and a Tivo etc... no keyboard needed.
 
thatwendigo said:
Your 8088 must bow to my 68040! :D

8088, 68040, PAH! Can anything truly outperform a trusty MOS 6510 running at a blindingly fast 0.9875 MHz, as found in the orginal Commodore 64? I think not... :p
 
I'm happy

Jagooah said:
...ANYWAY, I am now praying all possible divinities for a new iMac G5 to be announced at the WWDC on Monday. But, if nothing is revealed, I'll just have to go ahead and buy that PM G5 2.0GHz I have been drooling over since it came out. It's a hard life... :p

I just got a new Dual 2.0 Ghz G5, and I'm really happy with it. Sure, it cost a boatload, but has such a great design.

I'm going with Thinksecret about no new iMacs on Monday. I'll be happy if the displays start at under $1000 though, because I'll get a 20". I predict though that there will be lots of people says how ugly they are because that always happens with new Apple products. However, when you see one in person that are incredible. The best part I liked on Thinksecret's article was:

"Employees tell us that Apple is laughing at the rumors on this one -- spearheaded by recent analyst prognostications -- and the company is loving the hype that just makes everyone want to pay attention to WWDC even more."

I wish I could work at Apple if not for that reason alone. I'd love to come into work laughing about all the crazy rumors that come out. Board meetings must be fun...

Jobs: To start this meeting I'd like to mention our new products coming up. They are a Quad 16 Ghz G5 iPod that you can insert in your nose, and a new Powerbook that is so smart that it reads your mind and does your work for you. LOL, at least that's what our rumormongers are saying we are deveolping. Anyway, back to Tiger...
 
Soire said:
I'm backing ThinkSecret on this one. Hopefully the displays will have immediate shipping...

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/wwdc04apple.html

:)

I tend to agree with them as well unfortunately, especially if there is no telecast/webcast of the keynote. There is no way they wouldn't have a web/store stream if a major consumer hardware product like a new iMac was going to be introduced. I'm starting to think it's just going to be Tiger and displays as well which is rather disappointing. The iMac is in dire need of at least some kind of update, even if it's just to a 1.5 GHz G4, plus a modest price cut wouldn't hurt at all either...
 
ThinkSecret has had some hits and some misses before. They were right about the new iPod 4-button re-design when everyone said they were full of it, for instance.

But they are also sticking to predictions of new NON-ADC displays, right on the heels of ADC PowerMacs--that's just bizarre.

So now when they say no new iMacs, they're really on the line :) We'll know soon. http://www.thinksecret.com/news/wwdc04apple.html

(Are we really STILL discussing 64 bits a year later? Obviously it's of current use on the desktop in only a handful of obscure situations, and no new announcements will make it suddenly important to mainstream computer use.)
 
The one thing that I just don't understand, if there is no new iMacs coming why aren't there any (or very few) in the retail channels. Try your favorite mail order supplier (i.e. macmall) or CompUsa, they don't have them in stock. So why would Apple not supply the retailers with iMacs if no new updates are coming?
 
I think you have to look at the way Think Secret Phrased the story. They left themselves no room for error. Although done with humor, there is little way to talk your way out of a prediction this form. They are, in a sense, staking thier reputaion on the prediction of no new iMacs. In the rumors game, you can always leave some wiggle room, and some outs. Words like possibly, most likely, sources indicate, etc all give you a small safety net to bail with. This TS report is full of statements directly telling the reader of no new iMacs. Look back at some of their stories and you can even see the tone is different. I think they have some serious insight on this and feel strongly about it.

As for the feed, I believe other Steve notes at various venues had feeds added at the last minute (well, last 24 to 48 hours at least). So, its possible, I think, for the video feed to still be possible. But the lack of video does make me think nthing as revolutionary as an all redesigned iMac will be discussed.
 
no new iMac = big huge gaping hole in model lineup

Think Secret is saying a definite "NO" to iMacs at WWDC. I really hope this isn't true. If it is, I will have to put off plans for my first Mac indefinitely. Theres no way I'm paying a minimum of 3000 for a system with 256MB RAM and a 3 year old video card. Especially with Tiger most likly only a few months away. Thats another $129.

If Apple doesnt come out with a new design soon, I know exactly why they only have 5% market share. Theres absolutely no middle to upper middle performance machines offered. Its either the old, slow, overpriced iMac... the even slower eMac, or the 3000-5000 PowerMac systems. Thats just terrible.

I understand the need to have "flagship" products. The model thats reserved for the upper class, and the commoners strive to attain. That is the Apple PowerMac, the BMW 7 Series, the Samsung 80 inch plasma display. But what all these companies understand, save Apple, is that this model is not to be the prime moneymaker. Its to serve as a testiment to the quality, competence and vision of the company. I don't think Apple has to compromise quality to obtain a moderately priced, attractive and on par performance machine. I don't think the AIO is it. If it was, Dell would be selling them like hotcakes.

In summary, Steve.. give the common man a computer he can take home to his mother. Economies of scale will thank you in the long run.
 
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