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X11 Beta 3, Mac OS X 10.2.5 Seeded, iWorks, Tidbits...

Originally posted by SoonToGetAMac
Also, iWorks is bad grammar. With a noun, like Tunes, its fine. iWorks just sounds bad.
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Tunes and Works are both nouns, dude. it's just your taste. don't jump on them for "grammar;" there is no rule for what you can put an "i" in front of in the English language. this is like that whole "Think Different" grammar debate:rolleyes: lol :D ;)
Originally posted by Nermal
I don't think they'll call it Document. With Keynote, you make presentations, but the app isn't called Presentation. If Apple use the same naming scheme then their word processor may be called Letter, or Report, or some other type of document you can make with it.
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how about if they called it "Wedding Invitation"?
 
Originally posted by Nermal
I don't think they'll call it Document. With Keynote, you make presentations, but the app isn't called Presentation. If Apple use the same naming scheme then their word processor may be called Letter, or Report, or some other type of document you can make with it.
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How about Thesis and Ledger? =)
 
Originally posted by Cecret
Even if it is a $300+ app package, it will still be worth it, given the cost of the ms alternative. And I'm sure we will see package/bundle deals with purchase of other hardware or os software.
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If it costs $300+ it would sell like crap. It is guaranteed that it will not remain compatible with MS Office for very long. We are already hearing that MS Office 2003 (all hail XML) will not share files with other versions of MS Office. Forcing an upgrade of Office, and oh yeah, it will only run on win2k or XP (for the Windows version).

Apple needs to put effort into OOo (OpenOffice.org) instead of trying to re-invent the office suite of software.
 
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You do realize that this is a cross-platform application. And if Apple decides to create the entire office suite and manages to make a better product than MS... it will of course also affect the little scenario that you described.

All I am saying is that they can't overlook the importance of their spreadsheet app and it's importance in terms of getting people to completely ditch MS office.

One or two good apps like keynote and a possilbe document can't get people to switch from office. The chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
 
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Originally posted by Shadowfax
good luck with windows, lol. isn't that like saying, "if my girlfriend dyes her hair red, i'm going to shoot myself?" i mean, you're wlecome to, but that kind of smarts isn't typical of Apple users. You do realize that you'll still be able to use MS word if you really want to, right?
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I'd like to think so. Why do u think apple would be introducing their own product line of applications like Safari, Keynote, and unfortunately "Document". I'll tell u why, Microsoft will probably be backing out pretty soon. Internet Explorer (which im using right now), PowerPoint, and Word will most likely be gone. And by the way, I wouldnt leave the mac if anything happened, i would use my mom's IICI, if all else failed.

-ray
 
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Originally posted by rman2008
If Apple names a word processing app named "Document". That would be enough to make me switch to windows. I thought "Mail" was bad.

-ray (am i the youngest member of macrumors ,13 years old?
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You maybe, but I am 14?

Power to the little Mac ones !!!
 
Re: Re: X11 Beta 3, Mac OS X 10.2.5 Seeded, iWorks, Tidbits...

Originally posted by rman2008
If Apple names a word processing app named "Document". That would be enough to make me switch to windows. I thought "Mail" was bad.

-ray (am i the youngest member of macrumors ,13 years old?
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So 'Word' is somehow better? or 'Office' ? Even 'Windows' is a crappy piece of nomenclature...

'Document' is something you do... as in:

"I'm going to document the history of native americans in the south west from 800 A.D. to 1200 A.D."

...you can't 'word' anything to my knowledge, neither can you office anything either, though Office is at least a place you go to do things.

13 is old enough to form opinions so I'll give you that... ;-p well, i get to have one too...
 
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Originally posted by foniks2020
So 'Word' is somehow better? or 'Office' ? Even 'Windows' is a crappy piece of nomenclature...

'Document' is something you do... as in:

"I'm going to document the history of native americans in the south west from 800 A.D. to 1200 A.D."

...you can't 'word' anything to my knowledge, neither can you office anything either, though Office is at least a place you go to do things.

13 is old enough to form opinions so I'll give you that... ;-p well, i get to have one too...
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lol, im sure document will be a good application. im not doubting apple with that. but could i at least persuade you, that document is not THAT good of a name. and uhh ive always been told i have a large vocab, but tell me what nonmenclature is?
 
Originally posted by yzedf
Apple needs to put effort into OOo (OpenOffice.org) instead of trying to re-invent the office suite of software.
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I doubt they can take OpenOffice's codebase without some GNU mess. i think their Unix release was from BSD, which i don't think has to do with the GNU GPL.

I'd like to see them reinvent this, like they seem to have done with Keynote. you don't usually innovate by appropriating others' code base.

about the XML-based office 2003/2004, i'll bet apple can write an interpreter and encoder for it and release it as an update over the internet... i don't see how changing is that big of a deal. i could be way off, but i bet they are looking ahead at what MS is going to do and can sort of facilitate the program to be update ready. who knows. I'll just keep my eyes out.

update on X11b3: i ran it with KDE 3.1, just wonderful. i love that cmd-q works finally, lol.
 
Apple needs to put effort into OOo (OpenOffice.org) instead of trying to re-invent the office suite of software.
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That's the same method of thinking that people had about the rumored Apple Browser. Everyone thought that they would use Mozilla. Didn't happen because of too much Cross Platform junk.

You may find Openoffice to be the same. If it's too fat. Apple won't use it. Besides there has been rumors that Apples had a very capable word processor for years that was never released. Not all R&D is spent on shipping products of course. I think we'll all be suprised ...once again.
 
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Originally posted by rman2008
I'd like to think so. Why do u think apple would be introducing their own product line of applications like Safari, Keynote, and unfortunately "Document". I'll tell u why, Microsoft will probably be backing out pretty soon. Internet Explorer (which im using right now), PowerPoint, and Word will most likely be gone.
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well, even if they do pull out, you'll have office X. and i can't imagine MS backing out of the mac division. you do realize they have the most apple programmers of any company in the world except for Apple itself? they would have to lay off a LOT of very productive, revenue-generating employees. Gates is a greedy, pushy jerk. he's not as arrogant as steve jobs. i don't think he'd just leave a good market to prove something.
And by the way, I wouldnt leave the mac if anything happened, i would use my mom's IICI, if all else failed.

-ray
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good call! that's hilarious, lol.
 
Honestly whatever they call it I don't care. The important thing is that it is a solid application/suite. If it is anything like keynote, I think we can expect to see some good things. As far as money is concerned...I think most Mac users will pay for it just as they pay for Office now. Obviously the cheaper the better, but I am a believer in the fact that you get what you pay for. That is why I bought my Mac in the first place. I don't mind paying a little more for a better product. I am just excited to wait and see what happens. Either way this is great news for the Apple community.
 
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Originally posted by rman2008
If Apple names a word processing app named "Document". That would be enough to make me switch to windows. I thought "Mail" was bad.

-ray (am i the youngest member of macrumors ,13 years old?
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Umm, thats why it's a *tentative* name. Go look it up.
 
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Originally posted by foniks2020
So 'Word' is somehow better? or 'Office' ? Even 'Windows' is a crappy piece of nomenclature...
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Windows, i think, is just fine in its nomeclature. the word very accurately describes the different interfaces that you work with in Windows. you even use windows in OS X :eek: :eek:

...you can't 'word' anything to my knowledge, neither can you office anything either, though Office is at least a place you go to do things.
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you can't "iTunes," or even "Tunes" anything either. i honestly missed that part where you have to use a verb as your application name... when was that established? I don't even think that "document" would be used as a verb. it's not about documenting things at all, but rather about making documents. and word is for making words. Apple's Mail app is for making emails. on the other hand, Mozilla isn't for mozillaing, or even making mozillas. and chimera isn't for chimeraing or making chimeras–i dunno about Camino... maybe it is for Caminoing :eek: :p
 
for Windows too?

Does anyone suspect that if this new office suite of applications really does have benefits over MS Office then it may be ported to Windows?

Initial reaction is obviously "no" because it would have no power to attract switchers (to Apple hardware and other software/services) if available on both Windows and MacOS. But it would give Apple presence in the PC world over and above just Quicktime, which could always stir interest and inquiry into the company. Just to give Apple more market presence, really. Not to mention the market that exists and could be exploited for a cheaper Office program that is compatible (mostly) with MS Office.

I think it would be a challenge indeed to develop the suite for a whole other varied (by its mix of hardwares and uses) platform, but could very well pay off by sales and crucial setting of company reputation in the Windoze-user world. But only pay off if it really was sweeter than MS Office, pretty intuitive to the new user (or the MS Office switcher), fast and stable.

Best of luck, Apple.
 
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Originally posted by rman2008
and uhh ive always been told i have a large vocab, but tell me what nonmenclature is?
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Nomenclature is like a naming system. I'm sure you've studied Carolus Linaeus' scientific naming-system, Binomial Nomenclature, in Science.

In case anyone cares, I'm fifteen years, six months old.
 
Works (noun)?

Originally posted by SoonToGetAMac
Also, iWorks is bad grammar. With a noun, like Tunes, its fine. iWorks just sounds bad.
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Works of art? Waterworks? He performed great works?

Works can be a noun.

On a related note, when did antique become a verb? My mother and her friends say she goes "antiquing" all the time.
 
Originally posted by cubist
I think the name of the word processor should be "Chronosymplastic Infindibulum." :)
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dude, that is awesome! that would be soo linux though. Apple takes itself too seriously to do that. I would love to see some longwinded name we could refer to by its initials though, just to piss with all the people sick of the iNames and so on.
 
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