Sure you can 'word' something. I worded the sentence this way, for instance. Granted, it is much more common to see it used as a noun.
Remember that every word processing document has words, (well for most purposes.)
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Re: Re: Re: X11 Beta 3, Mac OS X 10.2.5 Seeded, iWorks, Tidbits...
i'm sorry, i saw benjaminpg's comment and i couldn't help it
i'm sorry, i saw benjaminpg's comment and i couldn't help it
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: X11 Beta 3, Mac OS X 10.2.5 Seeded, iWorks, Tidbits...
Ahhh, youth. Back when the MONTHS actually mattered... How charming.
Ahhh, youth. Back when the MONTHS actually mattered... How charming.
i totally agree, all my magazine subscriptions also need renewing then, but i'll still renew .mac and get 10.3 cant wait.
im 17 o yea
about 10.3, i will bet you a good bit they won't charge you another 129$ for an upgrade. 10.1 was hardly a feasible OS. you were kind of forced to upgrade if you had it. 10.2 is more stable than just about any home user can ask for. there will be minimal coercion to upgrade like 10.2, i think. i expect a 50-70$ price tag.
words and months
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words you don't know, use sherlock to look them up. one of the advantages of on-line discussion, noone can see you reach for your dictionary. Don't embarras yourself needlessly.
Kansaigaijin, 43 years, 10 months old.
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words you don't know, use sherlock to look them up. one of the advantages of on-line discussion, noone can see you reach for your dictionary. Don't embarras yourself needlessly.
Kansaigaijin, 43 years, 10 months old.
Re: words and months
Hey, you're pretty funny.
And Thank God there's someone else here who isn't a teeny bopper.
Hey, you're pretty funny.
And Thank God there's someone else here who isn't a teeny bopper.
I think apple created safari because they were sttuck with slower procs (we all admit it) and it forced them to innovate to provide a browser with usable speed. Quartz Extreme was the same idea, if we had pentium 4s, they could use whatever crappy code they wanted and it would feel fine...I hope the office suite is also innovative, but I wonn't bash Office. Its not perfect. I love Excel, think word is ok, and would switch from powerpoint if I could, but it is the standard...look at the questions everyone asks when they are considering switching. I just switched to apple and love it, but if .doc and .xls support isn't perfect, then I will have to go back. At least now. Maybe if windows starts using standard XML, or if all of a sudden all offices start only using rtf or Quark then I could stay...I wish I could use Nisus, its great and the guys are wonderful guys, but I need to be realisitic...
Maybe I'll start...maybe I'll write my thesis in html...or not
Maybe I'll start...maybe I'll write my thesis in html...or not
iWorks
iWorks would be great as long as it is compatible with Microsoft Office file formats.
I really would like to see Safari finished up first though. I am sick and tired of all the problems I have with other browsers.
I hope that 10.2.x isn't going to be too expensive. I guess it would depend on what they add to the package. I would gladly pay $130 or so if it included a one time upgrade to the FAXstf (Name?).
On that note, does anyone know if apple internal modem in the Quicksilvers have updatable firmware? Secondly, if it does, can it be updated to v.92?
iWorks would be great as long as it is compatible with Microsoft Office file formats.
I really would like to see Safari finished up first though. I am sick and tired of all the problems I have with other browsers.
I hope that 10.2.x isn't going to be too expensive. I guess it would depend on what they add to the package. I would gladly pay $130 or so if it included a one time upgrade to the FAXstf (Name?).
On that note, does anyone know if apple internal modem in the Quicksilvers have updatable firmware? Secondly, if it does, can it be updated to v.92?
Originally posted by MrMacman
good news keeps on coming.
iWorks would be nice, you know what we all need?
A $300 Total-Apple bundle software suite. Everything from iLife to the new iWorks.
Maybe this can be out for MWNY!
when is MWNY?
Apple didn't get 4 Billion in the bank by being a charity. I'd expect 10.3 to to be a full $129 and have the necessary new features to entice many 10.2 users to upgrade. Expect one 10.x release per year and that release will but $129. The thing is it's going to be difficult for Apple to entice more users to upgrade as 10.2 is fairly solid and users won't be as apt to switch.
Re: Re: X11 Beta 3, Mac OS X 10.2.5 Seeded, iWorks, Tidbits...
I have MS Office 98, and I run almost exclusively OS X (I honestly can't remember the last time that I booted into OS 9). Office 98 runs just fine in classic mode. Are you saying that Office 2001 doesn't? And if that's not what you're saying, then why aren't you using Office 2001?
Originally posted by vollspacken
I still have a student copy of MS office 2001 for os9 that I cannot use because I'm a osX-only user since I bought my 15" tiBook
I'm not willing to spend a sh**load of money for MS word for X (...and I don't want to pirate either), and hope that apple comes finally up with a descend word processor (pleeeeaaaaaase
I have MS Office 98, and I run almost exclusively OS X (I honestly can't remember the last time that I booted into OS 9). Office 98 runs just fine in classic mode. Are you saying that Office 2001 doesn't? And if that's not what you're saying, then why aren't you using Office 2001?
I doubt apple can afford to create an application to compete with office without charging a decent amount of money for it. Especially since if you want them to continue supporting it, they need to keep getting money for it. I'm positive it's not going to be coming free on the new machines like iLife, but,... i dunno
As far as the names, naming it Document would be way past... everything. They need to pick a good name. Like it or not, a name represents and application.
As far as the names, naming it Document would be way past... everything. They need to pick a good name. Like it or not, a name represents and application.
I used Office 98 in Classic for some time, and finally got Office X. I HATE Office X.
(a)It's ugly. Uglier than Office 98, which doesn't even match the OS.
(b)It doesn't use system services. If they were going to make an office suite for OS X, why wouldn't they make use of all the free functionality off of the "Services" menu?!?
(c)It's not customizable. I've gotten pretty used to being able to modify the interfaces of OS X programs to my liking with interface builder, and with Office X, I can't do that.
Give me those three things, and I'll pay as much for iWorks as they charge for office (assuming It's compatible with office documents).
That said, for the sake of the mac platform I hope office x continues to exist.
(a)It's ugly. Uglier than Office 98, which doesn't even match the OS.
(b)It doesn't use system services. If they were going to make an office suite for OS X, why wouldn't they make use of all the free functionality off of the "Services" menu?!?
(c)It's not customizable. I've gotten pretty used to being able to modify the interfaces of OS X programs to my liking with interface builder, and with Office X, I can't do that.
Give me those three things, and I'll pay as much for iWorks as they charge for office (assuming It's compatible with office documents).
That said, for the sake of the mac platform I hope office x continues to exist.
nice truism.
If you say so.
What are you going on? they did it once, therefore it's canon, they are going to do it forever and ever, glory be to the father SJ, his son SW, and the spirit of Apple? meh!
that's what i said, dude. i don't get what you were trying to say at all now.
Re: Re: Re: X11 Beta 3, Mac OS X 10.2.5 Seeded, iWorks, Tidbits...
...because i don't want os9 on my computer when I can have osX (office would be my only non-osX application). that's the reason why I bought thinkfree office in the first place, but it's so horrible that I actually think about installing os9 on my external FW-hd again, in order to finish my senior paper.
BTW, I don't care, what they call the office suite - iWord, Document, iStink or iPoo, whatever!!! - I just want it to be good...
vSpacken
...because i don't want os9 on my computer when I can have osX (office would be my only non-osX application). that's the reason why I bought thinkfree office in the first place, but it's so horrible that I actually think about installing os9 on my external FW-hd again, in order to finish my senior paper.
BTW, I don't care, what they call the office suite - iWord, Document, iStink or iPoo, whatever!!! - I just want it to be good...
vSpacken
My First Post
Well, since people are posting their age, I thought I'd mention that I'm 23 years-364 days-23 hours old
One more hour!!! Woo Hoo
Oh, and a new Apple office suite would ROCK!
Well, since people are posting their age, I thought I'd mention that I'm 23 years-364 days-23 hours old
One more hour!!! Woo Hoo
Oh, and a new Apple office suite would ROCK!
Personally, I think "Document" is a good name, even a very good name. I'm a business user and cringe over "cutsey" names. Document states very clearly what the application does and it's very no nonsense about it. It also has a serious, hefty sound to it, like it has some power. I'm guessing that this name will stick, and that "iWorks" is for internal use only.
A couple of other thoughts: While I agree with the idea that something like iLife should be Mac-only, there's much greater need (and even more perceived need) for standardization among office suites. If Apple can truly surpass MS Office (and despite some of the issues we all have with Office, that won't be easy to do), it should consider doing it cross-platform. At the very least, if the suite is good enough, the *possibility* that it could go cross-platform might give Microsoft some incentive to keep Apple happy. Along the same lines, Apple should consider using the .doc format as standard and making a major effort to see that document formatting is preserved accurately if opened in Word. If there is even a chance that a document I send for business purposes won't look correct on the recipient's machine, then I can't consider the program. And I think many other users will face this dilemma. Finally, it and other Apple programs should be relentlessly Dock-aware. Microsoft's Mac division has done this very well but Apple, oddly, has not.
I'm looking forward to iWorks (or whatever it's called), but I'm going to have to be convinced to use it.
elo
A couple of other thoughts: While I agree with the idea that something like iLife should be Mac-only, there's much greater need (and even more perceived need) for standardization among office suites. If Apple can truly surpass MS Office (and despite some of the issues we all have with Office, that won't be easy to do), it should consider doing it cross-platform. At the very least, if the suite is good enough, the *possibility* that it could go cross-platform might give Microsoft some incentive to keep Apple happy. Along the same lines, Apple should consider using the .doc format as standard and making a major effort to see that document formatting is preserved accurately if opened in Word. If there is even a chance that a document I send for business purposes won't look correct on the recipient's machine, then I can't consider the program. And I think many other users will face this dilemma. Finally, it and other Apple programs should be relentlessly Dock-aware. Microsoft's Mac division has done this very well but Apple, oddly, has not.
I'm looking forward to iWorks (or whatever it's called), but I'm going to have to be convinced to use it.
elo
I tend to believer Apple is fairly consistent with OSX. Although they've had relatively few 10.x releases they've all been full pop.
I'm just trying to temper any thought that Apple will be doing anyone "favors" by making 10.3 less than full price. It sets a dangerous precendent in which users who don't feel like the upgrade is "worth" 129 will be quite vocal.
Yes we said the same thing. I however feel like Apple will still charge $129. There are plenty of 10.1.x users who skipped Jaguar. Sure Apple could offer tiered pricing but that's yet another SKU to keep track of.
At any rate it'll be interesting to see what happens. 10. Betas should be out within the next Month and a half. Apple will have some suprises come shipping time.
OK, so it's not an arguable disagreement, we pretty much disagree on principle. i still don;t think that apple has enough OS X history to be sure of it yet. we'll see, yep.
happy birthday, man!Originally posted by knoxer
Well, since people are posting their age, I thought I'd mention that I'm 23 years-364 days-23 hours old
One more hour!!! Woo Hoo
Oh, and a new Apple office suite would ROCK!
'i'
So might they each be simply dubbed something like this:
Document
Spreadsheet
Database
Keynote
or maybe the 'i' theme will remain
iDoc
iCalc
iBase
Think there might be a Windows version of this? I doubt it, but it would be kind of cool if they did make a Windows (or better yet, a Linux) version to attract PC customers.
I think the most attractive part to AppleWorks is the low price. 6 apps for less than $80 (or $40 for educational customers). I hope they keep that low pricing, but if Keynote alone costs $99, then I doubt that a new suite will be similarly low priced. However, if they can keep it below $200, then that would be good, or as one person suggested, price each one at $79, but bundle them together for $200. This would keep it lower than MS Office normally.
I was also hoping for a new image processor, but that might not happen.
All and all, AW does most of what I want, but here are a few things I'd like to see.
Mouse scrolling (works in OS 9, but not OS X for some reason)
Exporting spreadsheets to HTML
Integration of the database with CGI/Perl or PHP...now THAT would be sweet.
New menu icons -- to give it a new, fresh look.
So might they each be simply dubbed something like this:
Document
Spreadsheet
Database
Keynote
or maybe the 'i' theme will remain
iDoc
iCalc
iBase
Think there might be a Windows version of this? I doubt it, but it would be kind of cool if they did make a Windows (or better yet, a Linux) version to attract PC customers.
I think the most attractive part to AppleWorks is the low price. 6 apps for less than $80 (or $40 for educational customers). I hope they keep that low pricing, but if Keynote alone costs $99, then I doubt that a new suite will be similarly low priced. However, if they can keep it below $200, then that would be good, or as one person suggested, price each one at $79, but bundle them together for $200. This would keep it lower than MS Office normally.
I was also hoping for a new image processor, but that might not happen.
All and all, AW does most of what I want, but here are a few things I'd like to see.
Mouse scrolling (works in OS 9, but not OS X for some reason)
Exporting spreadsheets to HTML
Integration of the database with CGI/Perl or PHP...now THAT would be sweet.
New menu icons -- to give it a new, fresh look.
Sweet!
I'm glad Apple is taking the iWorks step. I hope it's compatible with MS Office docs, but with greater ease than AppleWorks. I've been using Office X for too long - It's a fine program, but I'd rather give money to Apple than to Microsoft.
With 10.3 Panther, Apple should wait awhile. Working at the Apple Store I heard countless gripes from people about having to shell out $130 for the latest and greatest. The should set a date past the one year for Jaguar - that way Panther will probably be better received.
And good about the 17" PowerBooks. Hopefully this means they'll introduce the new 15" PB soon
I'm glad Apple is taking the iWorks step. I hope it's compatible with MS Office docs, but with greater ease than AppleWorks. I've been using Office X for too long - It's a fine program, but I'd rather give money to Apple than to Microsoft.
With 10.3 Panther, Apple should wait awhile. Working at the Apple Store I heard countless gripes from people about having to shell out $130 for the latest and greatest. The should set a date past the one year for Jaguar - that way Panther will probably be better received.
And good about the 17" PowerBooks. Hopefully this means they'll introduce the new 15" PB soon
ColoJohnBoy-
When did Jaguar actually ship. I know Apple released a Press release last July but did Jaguar actually ship in July?
When did Jaguar actually ship. I know Apple released a Press release last July but did Jaguar actually ship in July?