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XBox 360 Specs Released [Triple Core @ 3.2Ghz each]

HD is the reason to get this, I think they would be shooting their self in the foot if they didn't offer backwards compatability. (in the video they show some live thing with a Fable icon, I think that just about assures it) I've got a nice Sony 34" 1080i TV her just BEGGING for some HD content. I don't have ANY yet, freaking cable is so unbelievably expensive.
 
The revealing show on MTV was awful. I learned more from this forum about the Xbox than the entire show. Thats 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back :(
 
Anybody have a BT link of the MTV show? I want to see some of the game demos.
 
jiggie2g said:
For the most part these specs are very impressive but the part that dosen't seem to make any sense is that about the GPU performance. It says 500M triangles/sec , and nothing about the fill rate which is getting even more important that polygon count. My Leadtek Geforce 6600GT does over 400M Triangles/Sec when OC'ed and 375M stock. The Geforce 6800 Ultra Does over 600M Tri/sec and the ATI Radeon X850XT PE does over 800M Tri/sec.

For the Xbox to be based on the R500 core which is 1 gen after the X850 series it should do close to 1 Billion Polygons/sec or 10 billion pixels+texels/sec. 500 million just seems very underpowered with all that CPU horsepower under the hood , i would go as far as to call a GPU a bottleneck. If that is the they would have been better off with a X800XL since that is more powerful hitting close to 700M Tri/sec. this has got to be a mistake.

I know the R500 core will suppoert 3Dc , SM 3.0 and full 32bit color precision processing.Plus it's a 500mhz core so it's gotta be atleast a billion Tri/sec.
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Might this have to do with the fact that it only has to "fill" a 720p or 1080i screen? On your computer, the graphics system has to scale a little more. Now granted in theory they could do 1080p but not likely, almost no TVs support that. All those triangle fills have little to do with actual preformance. If they didn't then why would the leader of all benchmarks flop between cards and games so much??
 
jared_kipe said:
Might this have to do with the fact that it only has to "fill" a 720p or 1080i screen? On your computer, the graphics system has to scale a little more. Now granted in theory they could do 1080p but not likely, almost no TVs support that. All those triangle fills have little to do with actual preformance. If they didn't then why would the leader of all benchmarks flop between cards and games so much??
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It'd be pretty cool if I could hook up the XBOX 360 to my Apple Cinema Display.
 
We'll find out the PS3 and Revolution specs on tuesday at E3 anyway, but a little speculation is still fun anyway. Considering that the Revolution is rumored to be launching in the middle of 2006 and the X-Box is supposed to launch in October, I doubt that a 4 core 2.5 Ghz processor is not possibility. I mean Microsoft could use the same strategy of selling their consoles for hundreds of dollars less than they actually cost to make in order to compensate for the fact that there launching first. But the X-box did lose 4 billion dollars! And while Microsoft can throw money away, I think the investors are actually looking for profits this time around which should level the playing field quite a bit. I mean I'm sure they'll sell there consoles at a loss and make up for it on software royalities like all companies due, but they can't afford to undercut themselves as much as they did last time. Here's hoping they fail.
 
jared_kipe said:
I've got a nice Sony 34" 1080i TV her just BEGGING for some HD content. I don't have ANY yet, freaking cable is so unbelievably expensive.
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Man I wish I had that problem..Cable's like 40 bucks a month and you have a 34"1080i TV ??..

But My impression is that the "custom PPC" isn't like the G5 in Macs..If it were,that 360 would have WAY too much cpu power for what it does.
 
after reading several forums i noticed the topic of using the 360 as a general purpose pc comes up a lot. sorry guys but it's not happening. microsoft will subsidize the machine losing money on each $299 xbox 360 unit they sell, but they hope to gain it back in the future through the games and xbox live service.

if people used it as a pc, microsoft would never get their money back, so you can rest assured microsoft has made it a point to make this thing damn near impossible to mod or crack.

a 9.6 ghz pc w/ 512 ram and that ati card for only $299 is too good to be true. :rolleyes:
 
iGary said:
Isn't Apple supposed to get the goodies first? :confused:
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What is it with you guys? These aren't G5's. They're stripped down PowerPC's that run at a higher clock speed.
 
It seems like apple has been seriously stitched up by IBM.

I 'm not suggesting that apple should use the Xbox cpu but this development obviously has discredited all the speculations suggesting that the G5 has reached it's clock speed limit.

It also shows how ridiculous the latest power Mac update really was.

If IBM could manufacture a Triple Core PPC at 3.2 GHz for Microsoft and a Quad Core PPC at 4.0 GHz for Sony there is absolutely no excuse for not speed bumping the 2.5ghz G5 to 3.0ghz or even making it a dual Core at the earlier speed.

The people at IBM have obviously been busy over the last couple of years developing some revolutionary technologies for their PPC chips.
All that at the expense of Apple ofcourse, which has simply been left in the dark.

It is as simple as that really...
 
nsjoker said:
after reading several forums i noticed the topic of using the 360 as a general purpose pc comes up a lot. sorry guys but it's not happening. microsoft will subsidize the machine losing money on each $299 xbox 360 unit they sell, but they hope to gain it back in the future through the games and xbox live service.

if people used it as a pc, microsoft would never get their money back, so you can rest assured microsoft has made it a point to make this thing damn near impossible to mod or crack.

a 9.6 ghz pc w/ 512 ram and that ati card for only $299 is too good to be true. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, and we all know how secure Microsoft products are :rolleyes:
 
Okay since you guys are either shouting:

"OMG AMAZING!"

or

"OMG IMPOSSIBLE!"

Let me explain.


1) These are stripped down PowerPC's. Not G5's. So no, these are not faster than a PowerMac.

2) This graphics card is part of the next gen graphics cards to come out this year. By the time the XBox 360 comes out that card and BETTER will be out for the PC and Mac. It's the R500 graphics card.
 
mandis said:
It seems like apple has been seriously stitched up by IBM.

I 'm not suggesting that apple should use the Xbox cpu but this development obviously has discredited all the speculations suggesting that the G5 has reached it's clock speed limit.

It also shows how ridiculous the latest power Mac update really was.

If IBM could manufacture a Triple Core PPC at 3.2 GHz for Microsoft and a Quad Core PPC at 4.0 GHz for Sony there is absolutely no excuse for not speed bumping the 2.5ghz G5 to 3.0ghz or even making it a dual Core at the earlier speed.

The people at IBM have obviously been busy over the last couple of years developing some revolutionary technologies for their PPC chips.
All that at the expense of Apple ofcourse, which has simply been left in the dark.

It is as simple as that really...
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You are completely uninformed.

Firstly, IBM has a special PowerPC. It's in order (most chips are out of order), and far lacking in performance per MHz.

It is the only IBM chip that runs at over 3 GHz.

There are three of these in the XBox 360. Cheap little processors with a high clock speed.


The Cell has ONE 4 GHz PowerPC and four APU's. When they say "four core" only ONE core is a PowerPC.

We don't WANT these in a PowerMac.


YOU ARE MAC USERS! Don't you know the MHz Myth?
 
risc said:
I don't want to get banned so I'll just say check http://www.torrentspy.com/

<cough> directory.asp?mode=torrentdetails&id=290410 </cough>
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gah ignore it, you should just sit in a corner and jam something repeatedly in your eye, it's more entertaining.

The movie from Our Colony is far better and more informative.

http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v1_750k.wmv

and for those like myself who doubted those specs are real, they are now posted on the official Xbox site. Unless they have a serious hardware problem in the next few months those are pretty certain now. Plus even if they do have a problem I'm sure Bill will throw a couple of million towards fixing it. They must be taking a huge loss and hoping for huge sales to drop all this new hardware in there for $299.
 
Peace said:
Man I wish I had that problem..Cable's like 40 bucks a month and you have a 34"1080i TV ??..

But My impression is that the "custom PPC" isn't like the G5 in Macs..If it were,that 360 would have WAY too much cpu power for what it does.
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Like it dosen't have an insane amount of CPU power already , I man the Xbox uses a freakin 733mhz Celeron , the Gamecube uses a 500mhz G3 , PS2 300mhz
Emotion Engine.This is just redicuilous by comparision.

Stripped down G5 or not this is one powerful gaming console and i feel it's gonna be much more then that. 3.2ghz is still 3.2ghz even for a P4 that is fast , let alone a PPC CPU but 3 of them is just plain over kill for a gaming box. this thing should do stuff like Final Fantasy The Movie in real time. I can't wait for HALO 3
 
jiggie2g said:
Like it dosen't have an insane amount of CPU power already , I man the Xbox uses a freakin 733mhz Celeron , the Gamecube uses a 500mhz G3 , PS2 300mhz
Emotion Engine.This is just redicuilous by comparision.

Stripped down G5 or not this is one powerful gaming console and i feel it's gonna be much more then that. 3.2ghz is still 3.2ghz even for a P4 that is fast , let alone a PPC CPU but 3 of them is just plain over kill for a gaming box. this thing should do stuff like Final Fantasy The Movie in real time. I can't wait for HALO 3
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3.2 GHz is NOT 3.2 GHz. Lower instructions per clock cycle AND the fact that its in order (IIRC in order chips usually get about 50% the performance of Out-of-order) mean that its about equivilant to a tri-1.6 GHz system, maybe less?

And from the design it will SUCK for anything outside of floating point.
 
At least someone built a better G5... maybe Apple can license it and throw OSX on there...
 
Zigster said:
At least someone built a better G5... maybe Apple can license it and throw OSX on there...
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For. The. Gazillionth. Time. It is NOT a G5.

And Microsoft didn't build it. IBM did.
 
nsjoker said:
microsoft will subsidize the machine losing money on each $299 xbox 360 unit they sel
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Price hasn't been set yet, but I believe the prices will be $399 or $449 at least. This is a product for those who already own an old game console and are looking to upgrade. $299 is just way too low for this sort of graphics powerhouse. Microsoft owns the PPC chip design so costs would be lower, but not by much.
 
Lacero said:
Price hasn't been set yet, but I believe the prices will be $399 or $449 at least. This is a product for those who already own an old game console and are looking to upgrade. $299 is just way too low for this sort of graphics powerhouse. Microsoft owns the PPC chip design so costs would be lower, but not by much.
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Since the HD won't be included, $299 is somewhat reasonable.
 
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