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This quite some take. Me like.
Maybe there’s a within reason middle ground but at that point I would say that it’s more about expectations: “I was expecting this thing I bought to do task A, B, C and vacuum cleaning, but it didn’t, hence I won’t buy it anymore and look for a better one that does it”.

I would like to also add, on the ownership of things for the sake of flames, we rarely really own anything at least in the advertised sense… a phone, PC, etc nowadays loses internet connection long enough and it gets seriously crippled. It will still work but so many of the features won’t.
If we stop paying the “property rights/taxes”, “car’s matriculation”, etc we basically are forbidden to use those owned things.
So many things “we own” are a very weak link away to feel like we don’t or taken away at least temporarily.

That’s well said Amartinez.
It’s impossible that X product will meet expectation or satisfaction of everyone. For those unhappy? Send it back or, if too late, lesson learned— choose a competitor’s product next time. Fortunately there is a choice when it comes to smartphone platforms.

And aptly put regarding Ownership. We may own the metal plastic etc etc but ownership of (as I’ll put it) code/software is more along the lines of a lol limited partnership. There will be no ‘I own it so you must change that’ from Apple orGoogle or MS or anyone else.

Ultimately, they’re using an unserious argument to further a bigger agenda(some wittingly, many unwittingly). No one seriously thinks there’s a number of IPhone customers out there clamoring to sideload. No one believes sw must change because ‘I own it’. It’s comical.
Anyone who follows the equities market and big tech business news knows what’s happening. Business is a big time hard contact sport and no one’s a saint, Apple hits hard too. The privacy push-blocking data collection was a an offensive hard hit. It will take a while before we know the negative financial ramifications for a number of companies (I know of two that admitted their financials would take a hit). To hit back at Apple, the App Store(Services) is Apple’s massively growing solid gold soft spot (It’s also something that makes other big tech afraid … it probably should). That’s all this is. It’s a return punch to Apple’s softest spot using the legal and media (and internet) fist. It’s interesting to watch but bet the rent check the App Store will still be the App Store same time next year.
 
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Apple’s selling roughly 10 million Macs a year to folks that have never owned a Mac before, maybe more in this last year. It appears that macOS doesn’t need decent 3D games with decent graphics to sell. Surprising, I know, but true!
Mass is not class, a few million flies eat 💩daily!
 
Apple’s selling roughly 10 million Macs a year to folks that have never owned a Mac before, maybe more in this last year. It appears that macOS doesn’t need decent 3D games with decent graphics to sell. Surprising, I know, but true!

U4U, is that just the last year (last 3 quarters)? If have a link to that information, I’d love to read it.
Next Apple quarterly report is in about 3.5 weeks. Very interested to see if Mac increased over a very unexpected spike in general Mac/PC sales (biggest YoY was Mac). If this quarter somehow/someway sees growth over last quarter(it’s not a small IF)? Then there’s a new sheriff in town, his name is M1.
 
These companies have their own platforms and don’t require Apple APIs to function. If there was no difference there would be no point. Disney and Netflix aren’t trying to undermine the platform development by luring developers to use them instead of directly using the platform Apple is supporting. They are also not charging 3rd parties to put content that would be on Apple’s platform and wanting to pay Apple nothing in return. So, the difference is huge.

Netflix users signup on Netflix, Disney people do the same. The only reason Microsoft wants to be on the App Store is either access to APIs or Apple App Store customers. Most are not Xboxers and could care less about Microsoft gaming. If so, they would have no need to be on the store anyway and Apple would have no issue with an App the only accessed Microsoft’s platform. They wanted to setup shop in the App Store and market their competitor. That is hot garbage! Like target setting up a pop up Outside the entrance of Walmart and then telling Walmart customers to go to target instead.
First, how would you know that most App Store users are not Xbox gamers? Weird claim.

Secondly, if apple would have no issue why did they make it so complicated for Microsoft? Remember the proposal of every game in gamepass having to have its own App Store page? They knew Microsoft wouldn’t do that because it’s way too much hassle. Frankly, it was a dick move on apple’s part.

Thirdly, the App Store allowing for competitors to market their apps? Hot news here; the majority of apps in the App Store are competitors to the first party apps. The difference here is apple has Apple Arcade, which is a dedicated revenue source so they want to ring fence that under the guise of protecting the user. Anti-competitive? I guess so.
 
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Since when is Apple tech being used for free? Didn’t you buy your $high end$ devices and licensed the required OS for your use? Wasn’t the API licensed for use by devs already? Haven’t you bought the iPhone, iPad, Macbook or iMac to access apps and services you need or was just for you to travel around showing off how cool you look with an iPhone in your hand?

Jezzz. This is classic double dipping … aka selling exactly the same thing over and over and over again to the same person ... The “thing” is “to do what was supposed to do” when you bought in the first place … that is run the apps and digital services that you need or want.

Not judging Apple at all, they do what it best for them. I’m actually judging you and customers like you that tend to argue more in favor of Apple than yourselfs and drag everyone else down, including me. Weak minds in my opinion.

Would it be a bad thing for you or someone else to also have an xCloud or Stadia app in our $1.2k devices? Why is it good for you to be forced to use web browser instead of an app in your $1k iPhone … because Apple wants even more $$$ … heck in my $2k iPad Pro?

Why Why Why?

So please explain to us ignorant customers why you want to pay for the same thing more than once?
So let me get this clear. Various other companies sell computers and tech products but don't provide an app store or api's for their systems. LG sell laptops and phones, so do Lenovo, where is their app store and SDK? Where is their app review service?

On one hand you are saying that we pay for all of this from the sale of a single device from apple (and subsequently accuse them of double dipping). Yet with other companies in your eyes they must be robbing us! As they don't provide what apple is providing.

And before you say other companies products are cheaper, thats not necessarily the case. There are laptops with comparable specs that cost just as much as Apple's or more.

So your logic doesn't really make much sense here.
 
So let me get this clear. Various other companies sell computers and tech products but don't provide an app store or api's for their systems. LG sell laptops and phones, so do Lenovo, where is their app store and SDK? Where is their app review service?

On one hand you are saying that we pay for all of this from the sale of a single device from apple (and subsequently accuse them of double dipping). Yet with other companies in your eyes they must be robbing us! As they don't provide what apple is providing.

And before you say other companies products are cheaper, thats not necessarily the case. There are laptops with comparable specs that cost just as much as Apple's or more.

So your logic doesn't really make much sense here.

So buy one of those other devices then?
 
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Unhappy with Apples decisions in this regard, not enough to make me go android, but still uhappy with them. Idiotic, close minded view.

However, extremely happy that this is finally out of beta! Doesnt seem like Mac devices are supported yet though, for some strange reason. Not even Safari in m1 Macs?
 
Apple can still feature cut webkit to destroy xCloud, or “accidentally” introduce a bug that leads to heavy lagging which is sooooooo difficult to find and fix. Apple platform must be forced to openness, also to allow other web engines to run.

Hypothetically speaking yes but why would they and the backlash would not be to their benefit.
 
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Anyway, it’s funny that Apple needs Microsoft to make macOS being able to have decent 3D games with decent graphics. ROFL, because macOS sucks for games, sounds like Microsoft is silently helping them out again, what a comedy…

I bet we’ll soon see a banner on Apple.com, making use of the situation: “Now you can finally play decent games on our crap platform, and on our low tech shared memory M1 cpu/gpu soup.”

I like your fresh paint on the Apple is doomed sign. Has been a while.
 
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Their customers aren’t locked out while Apple is not responsible for hosting, marketing, processing, or support in any way. They win, because they are not being forced to support a network they are not getting paid for. It’s a web browser and they have supported web apps from day one.
In fact, Steve Jobs wanted web apps only. It was the only way on the original iPhone (O remember those early days well, jailbreaking was fun😅)
 
Yup that sums up Windows for you for 25 years.
You surely mean that Apple still needs Windows XP to build Apple Hardware. 🤣
Shame, Shame, Shame - walk of shame - GOT!


 
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the thing is the tech isn't going to evolve anytime soon because the bottleneck is the path from your home over the internet to the server and back.

Maybe, in the next 10-20 years, the internet overall could have a much lower latency on average. But not going to happen anytime soon overall.
Nvidia GeForce now is radically better than when it launched. I have friends over and they don’t even realize I’m not playing on a real console. Gigabit internet is good
 
You surely mean that Apple still needs Windows XP to build Apple Hardware.
Shame, Shame, Shame - walk of shame - GOT!



Get the right tool for the job I guess. Enjoy the Windows pile then.

#Miesepeter
 
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Nvidia GeForce now is radically better than when it launched. I have friends over and they don’t even realize I’m not playing on a real console. Gigabit internet is good
Yeah I used GeForce before.

Like with all cloud gaming it is dependent on your connection to the server. That's the bottleneck.

And that's why it won't evolve overall anytime soon.
 
Such a weird way to make an offer. Why not just „3 months trial“ that’s it!
This requires the subscriber to be legit. The $1 requires you to set up a payment, with a credit card, which requires an address and a zip code match. Not a perfect system, but xbox wants to have people create real accounts. And these new accounts will (i would bet) auto renew if you don’t cancel. So the $1 charge validates the billing/credit card for the pending subscription. Once your billing info is a set up, you are also much more likely to buy other products from the store as well.
 
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