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But when Android started copying iPhone he said this:

So basically, Steve Jobs can copy and steal at will but he gets his panty's caught up in a bunch when it happens to him.

Interesting that people don't have a problem with that hypocrisy. Why is that?

I don't know where this thread ended up... but I have to comment. After being in technology and software development for over 25 years now, I can say that your argument is shallow and very one-sided. There are very few what I would call "true original inventions" most are based on concepts that may have existed for a while but modified to match other new technology. But sometimes a new invention is about how you combine what's known and how it's implemented can be an all new approach.

The best example of this is the iPhone 1. No new technology there... all the same ingredients you could find in hundreds of other devices. But how it was mixed and finally brought to the market was completely new at the time and definitely a new "invention" that everyone quickly set off to copy.

Steve was smart enough to see technologies and how they could be used in different ways far beyond what most could. Even the original GUI OS concept that was taken from Xerox Parc back in the 70/80's... they didn't steal the code, but the concept inspired Steve/Apple to take that, mix in a mouse (another existing invention) and really take computing in a new direction.

You don't have to invent flour to be the worlds best chef.
 
Was going to say the same. Their UI is a zillion times nicer than Apple's. Unless this is ripped off also, they clearly have good taste and probably could have come up with nice looking, unique designs for their own hardware.

i dig their UI thats all. flat done right
 
Wow
Why do fanboys assume that criticism of Apple is like insulting their god?
Listen, people criticising Apple often choose Apple as a brand exclusively but why should that mean that they can’t be called out if they lie and cheat? Come on man, get a grip and get those rose spectacles off.
Wow seriously condescending. Anyone using the word "fanboy" and "your god" (sic) threads on thin ice in claiming the high ground ( these are loaded word and you know it) Your post is pure irony btw! Claiming detachment while obviously furiously pushing buttons...
 
Its not like Jony is completely innocent from copying though. People who think otherwise have never heard of Brauns most influential designer Dieter Rams...
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Ahh, I can just picture you sitting there, patting yourself in the back, thinking you are so smart because you think you posted something original. Those pictures in your post, and your argument, have been used hundreds of times in other threads. Yawn.

Whoever put that montage together, way back, is grasping at straws -- his or her argument is useless (and your post is next to worthless).

LOL...that calculator is rectangular, it has a window to display numbers, and it has buttons, therefore Apple is not allowed to create a rectangular calculator with buttons? You gotta be kidding me.
 
Personally... it's when they use words
Wow

Wow seriously condescending. Anyone using the word "fanboy" and "your god" (sic) threads on thin ice in claiming the high ground ( these are loaded word and you know it) Your post is pure irony btw! Claiming detachment while obviously furiously pushing buttons...


Personally, it's when they use words like "lie" and "Cheat" that drive me nuts. Do they realize how many people are at Apple and how in all my years of business, I can't imagine the executive team or anyone at Apple (or most companies) scheme to "lie" and "cheat". It's like a conspiracy theory that just does not make sense. Apple is made of real people who I'm sure are working their asses off to compete in a very competitive world these days.
 
It's not theft when it's legal. Apple has bought out lots of companies. There's been talks about Apple buying ARM and having their own CPU, thus competing against Intel, costing them millions as well. But nobody will have an issue with that, right?

So basically, it's excusable when Apple does it, but not when it's someone else.

Hardly objective.

What?

Not that Apple is doing this, but your argument is that Apple buying a company and investing in it, whilst capitalising on the purchased IP so as to compete in a market that it currently does't have a presence in, is the same as someone else starting up a new company, pinching IP from a competitor and then producing cheap knock offs is the same?

Wow. Just wow.
 
Improved multi-touch? Is that what Apple's invention is? I'm sure that would hold up in the United States Patent & Trademark Office.

'Hey, we wanna patent something that's already patented... but with quirks'

Funny, when competing cell phone manufacturers tried doing THAT with software patents, Apple went litigious on the entire industry!

You really need to do your homework on this. It is perfectly legal to patent an idea that improves upon an existing patent.
 
Not sure if you're joking, but no they don't. There's hundreds of "copied" versions on the market in look alike cans. It's their recipie that makes it different which is known as a Trade Secret. If you were serious, that was a horrible analogy because it would prove the opposite of what you most likely thought.

If you somehow got their recipe you have every right to make it exactly the same and call it anything other that Coka Cola
You are certainly welcome to believe that, but that's simply not how reality works. And since we are all subject to reality and not simply what someone believes, well, that pretty much takes care of that.
 
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The best example of this is the iPhone 1. No new technology there... all the same ingredients you could find in hundreds of other devices.

Actually... the Blackberry people took an iPhone 1 apart, and their shocked reaction was "they put a bloody computer in the phone!". That was absolutely new at the time (and makes anyone comparing the iPhone with the LG Prada a laughing stock).
 
Ahh, I can just picture you sitting there, patting yourself in the back, thinking you are so smart because you think you posted something original. Those pictures in your post, and your argument, have been used hundreds of times in other threads. Yawn.

Whoever put that montage together, way back, is grasping at straws -- his or her argument is useless (and your post is next to worthless).

LOL...that calculator is rectangular, it has a window to display numbers, and it has buttons, therefore Apple is not allowed to create a rectangular calculator with buttons? You gotta be kidding me.

Well, apple didn't let samsung make app icons with rounded edges... just saying...

Get off your high horse man. I never said apple aren't allowed to use similar designs. I was merely pointing out that jony sees it fine to copy (or be inspired) by other things and consider it a homage. Whereas any resemblances to apple designs leads to lawsuits. Just because they have been pointed out yet again doesn't make them any less relevant, no matter what you personally think.

Now why don't you give yourself a pat on the back for being needlessly condescending to a stranger in a public forum like the hundreds of times that it has been done before...
 
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OK, I've had a look at their website, I think it's a bit of a stretch to call that an Apple rip off. Apple didn't invent minimalism.

Never said it was a "rip off" but it most certainly behaves like the apple store. The similarities just look like they aren't being very creative. IMO of course.
 
Actually... the Blackberry people took an iPhone 1 apart, and their shocked reaction was "they put a bloody computer in the phone!". That was absolutely new at the time (and makes anyone comparing the iPhone with the LG Prada a laughing stock).

I wouldn't use what BBRY says as evidence that Apple invented "putting a computer in a phone".

Considering that any smartphone, by definition, even at the time was essentially a tiny computer in a phone :p Believe it or not, Including early blackberries. the fact that they made that EGADS moment despite their OWN bloody products was more telling about how stupid they were as a corporation at the top, than saying apple invented putting a computer in a phone.

there were many existing "computers in phones" before the iPhone. That essentially is what any palm based, or windows based PDA and early cell phone was.
 
Ahh, I can just picture you sitting there, patting yourself in the back, thinking you are so smart because you think you posted something original. Those pictures in your post, and your argument, have been used hundreds of times in other threads. Yawn.

Whoever put that montage together, way back, is grasping at straws -- his or her argument is useless (and your post is next to worthless).

LOL...that calculator is rectangular, it has a window to display numbers, and it has buttons, therefore Apple is not allowed to create a rectangular calculator with buttons? You gotta be kidding me.

A 4 year old can clearly see that the interface of the iPhone calculator is nearly identical to the physical one next to it. Yes, most calculators are rectangular with buttons.... But do they all have rounded buttons? Are they all black? All of them have a small yellow "=" button in the lower-right corner?

If you SERIOUSLY (ask yourself, seriously) can't see the design similarities, you are in a very serious state of denial.
 
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Its not like Jony is completely innocent from copying though. People who think otherwise have never heard of Brauns most influential designer Dieter Rams...
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Again and again, repeats of the most ridiculous accusations against Apple, this time however with at least one photo that demonstrates what nonsense it is!

Someone seems to be suggesting that Dieter Rams and Jony Ive look similar... I think Mrs Rams and Mrs Ive would be very surprised to hear that.

2nd photo: Can you tell me where you see any similarity? Especially with the photo on the left showing an LP player on top of a speaker, which anyone with the slightest intelligence knows is absolutely the one place on earth where an LP player doesn't belong? (Think of vibrations from the speaker getting transmitted to the LP player. Pure idiocy. Dieter Rams would shoot you if that is how you used his system).

3rd photo in the first and the third row: So the two most different looking items that you could think of, and Apple managed to copy them simultaneously with the iMac! That is pure genius, and my admiration for Jony Ive has no end. The first item is a TV. An ordinary TV with a huge glass tube, about as deep as high, and since it shows a pretty picture, and the iMac shows a pretty picture, the iMac is obviously copying the TV. At the same time, the iMac also manages to copy Rams' great loud speaker. That speaker is actually almost man high, and wider, and is hanging in a frame. Since the two iMac photos show the same iMac, just from different angles, the first photo makes it blatantly obvious that speaker and iMac don't look one bit similar.

4th photo: That's the radio clock that supposedly looks like an iPad. But for that, they had to put the clock on its side. In reality, you would have it standing flat. And if you took a photo not exactly from the front, you would see that it is about 5 inch deep, not 1/2 inch like the iPad. Similarity = zero.

Photo pairs 5, 6 and 8 are hilarious. The pair 5 and the pair 6 are commonly used to demonstrate the similarity between some Dieter Rams design and a Mac Pro. However, and that's where are copycat accuser made a big mistake, the left picture of pair 5, the left picture of pair 6, and both pictures of pair 8 show the exact some Braun product! So you are telling us with a straight face that the MacPro looks like a radio... How stupid can you be. BTW in photo five, the left side shows a speaker covered with cloth, the right side shows the Mac Pro's aluminium grill.

A 4 year old can clearly see that the interface of the iPhone calculator is nearly identical to the physical one next to it. Yes, most calculators are rectangular with buttons.... But do they all have rounded buttons? Are they all black? All of them have a small yellow "=" button in the lower-right corner?

If you SERIOUSLY (ask yourself, seriously) can't see the design similarities, you are in a very serious state of denial.

Leonard, look closer.

Small LCD display with digits made of segments, grey on greenish background vs. high resolution font, black on white/blue gradient background.

Two round lights, red and green, and two tiny switches, vs. nothing.

25 keys vs 20 keys.

Different arrangement of the remaining keys.

And now take both devices and rotate them by 90 degrees...

Original keys in a rotated position vs. totally new layout with enhanced functionality.

Nothing vs. speaker at the top and home button at the bottom.

I think a 4 year old would see that there is actually very little similarity.
 
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Ahh, I can just picture you sitting there, patting yourself in the back, thinking you are so smart because you think you posted something original. Those pictures in your post, and your argument, have been used hundreds of times in other threads. Yawn.

Whoever put that montage together, way back, is grasping at straws -- his or her argument is useless (and your post is next to worthless).

LOL...that calculator is rectangular, it has a window to display numbers, and it has buttons, therefore Apple is not allowed to create a rectangular calculator with buttons? You gotta be kidding me.

We agree that much of what Ive does is Braun/Rams based. He did say he is a big admirer of that design school.
The iPhone 4 held sideways has the same design as an old BRAUN stereo receiver I have. Which BTW then became thinner and thinner.
Since good design follows function it is still difficult to implement it within given technologies (component restrictions etc.) That is where Apple shines. I bet Ive does not like the protruding camera.

There are plenty of American horror show designs where I can only shake my head.
Sunbeam, Black & Decker, Broan, Whirlpool make me never wanting to buy their products as they are ugly.
Funny that producing an item with bad design costs almost as much as good design.
 
Never said it was a "rip off" but it most certainly behaves like the apple store. The similarities just look like they aren't being very creative. IMO of course.

You know what's most obvious about it being an Apple Store rip off? Xiaomi could've chosen literally hundreds of colors for their employee's tshirts to wear in the store, maybe thousands. What did they choose? The exact same ones that Apple employees wear. This was one of the arguments in the Apple lawsuit against Samsung. Samsung could've used a limitless amount of icons for their photos app. What did they choose? A flower, just like Apple.

Some companies make their theft too obvious.
 
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Sure, it's unoriginal. I agree. And I also agree that many other companys, not just Xiaomi are aping Apple... whats worse is that not even Apple gets it right in the cell phone market and companys still think the way to go about it is by copying a flawed design, LOL.

In the end, DOES IT REALLY MATTER TO ANY OF YOU?

No. Your iPhone is no less of an iPhone just because a copy exists. People are gonna want that shiny apple logo to make their fashion statement anyway.

Bladerunner - does it matter to any of us since most of the people on this website use an iPhone and would obviously know the difference if we were handed both products? No, it doesn't. But thats not the point, which you are completely missing.

This DOES matter when people are interested in buying a smartphone for the first time, or want to change from their current device. It creates confusion in the market, because their is not enough of a difference between the products. Apple has spent decades and probably billions of dollars building a brand centered on quality and ease of use. The last thing they would want to do is have people believe they make bad products or poor software. Which is why they defend their products so much.

Not everyone has the luxury of being close to an apple store, where its pretty cut and try of who makes what. If someone walks into a cell phone store looking to buy a phone, they might see an iPhone and Xiaomi product next to each other. To that person, they look almost exactly the same, but say they decide to go with the Xiamoi phone, and they have a poor experience for whatever reason. They probably won't buy that phone again or recommend it to their friend. Now factor that out to a large group of people.... see what the problem is? They don't care that who makes the phone, they just know what the product looks like and they have a bad experience with it.

Any company that gives a crap has this concern. Doesn't matter if your the largest company in the world, or trying to get started on kickstarter.
 
Why do fanboys assume that criticism of Apple is like insulting their god?
Listen, people criticising Apple often choose Apple as a brand exclusively but why should that mean that they can’t be called out if they lie and cheat? Come on man, get a grip and get those rose spectacles off.
Um hold on one second you will see i was not picking on anyone in particular. i was making an observation. Yes you will see even i am critical of apple now and again. I was nearly pointing out that some of these posters don't even seem to own/use/have an apple product ( yes some posters even admit it) so it puzzles me why they come to this website only to post anti apple posts
 
Dieter Rams considers this to be a homage and not a copy.
and rightfully so.

but do you not see the hypocrisy?

Apple has history of outright copying design. They have been proud of it in the past.
However, if someone copied something of Apples, they cry foul and scream and moan.

I'm not saying the copying is necessarily a good thing. Just that Apple corporate tends to be very two faced
 
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