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djlythium said:
Who is William Gibson, and why is what they said valuable in context? Genuine curiosity. 🙏🏼
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Author of Neuromancer, and essentially created the Science Fiction genre of Cyberpunk. It’s a kind of dystopian fiction where everything is sold to the highest bidder, laws are made by corporations, and people “jack in” to the net, meaning the immerse themselves in a synthetic world of networks and computers. Quite prescient, actually.

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William Gibson's Neuromancer: A Novel Ahead Of Its Time — CyberPunks.com

The opening line to Neuromancer (1984) by William Gibson sets the tone for a dark and gritty cyberpunk world that’s progressively looking more like the world of today. An uninformed reader would be hard-pressed to imagine the book being written during the 1980s, seeing as much of the...
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If the price wasn't so high (and I could get it at a respectable price in the UK not Apple conversation craziness) I'd probably buy one. Maybe gen 2 or three the price will come down and more appealing price wise.

I think it's a great piece of kit though!
 
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phenste said:
of course they want to move units, I’m never here to deny that—they are a trillion-dollar company. how do they move them though…? by providing the best experience to remember what matters.

think about the cameras in iPhones. they went from being nearly flip-phone quality to being some of the best cameras in the portable market. some of the most important memories in my life have been captured by iPhone cameras—either by myself, or others.

this product, literally, brings a whole new dimension to that. and I think it’s amazing. call me a filthy consumerist, my brother goofs on me all the time for it, but 🤷‍♂️ can’t help it when a company consistently puts out such good products (let’s discount the 12” MacBook for a second…I was so disappointed when their new VP of ID didn’t say “aluminum” the same 😂)
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Oh, I’m not judging you at all. I’m no ascetic monk. I have stuff I don’t need. But this one just gives me the willies.
 
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Even if I had the spare cash to buy one... or could handle something like this without getting motion sick... there is one apspect that totally and completely kills the deal... Iris ID or whatever it's called. I don't use Touch ID, Face ID and I sure as blazes will never use Iris ID... I don't do biometrics. And, as it's required, to even use the Vision Pro, it's a big, huge, whopping... "NOPE!" for me.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Everything else aside ... a sky full of drones buzzing all over with packages sounds just absolutely awful

I hate when drones are overhead already
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Having been on the ground under weaponized surveillance drones, I really really feel your pain. It’s an awful sound and an awful feeling. Funny some day I’d still love to get a camera drone for documentary filmmaking. Would I freak myself out?
 
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EnderTW said:
imagine virtually walking down a virtual mall, shopping and picking things up, purchasing things as if you were there in person, all to have it seamlessly shipped to your house by drone.
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There is an old design adage that to disrupt something you not only have to do that thing as good or better, but you also have to make it significantly easier to use than the status quo options.

In the time it takes to pull out a headset and power it on and open an app and load it up and walk into a virtual mall, I could have asked Alexa to reorder something or whipped out my phone and opened a site or used AR to see what something looks like in my home and checked out with Apple Pay.

Zuckerberg has said for years the metaverse was going to change everything, and the Quest and the pandemic would have been great time to see that take off, but it never did. Passthrough is something Quest can already do, albeit crappier, but had it had traction, so many people would already be doing it because all of this already exists.
 
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randomthoughts said:
A VCR allowed people to do something they couldn’t do before: watch movies at home or record/timeshift TV shows to watch whenever you want.

What does this do that you can’t already do?

I respect you opinion, I just don’t see this as groundbreaking. I bought a Quest 2 a couple of years ago and after a month, it got old. I thought I would have meetings using it and whiteboard and have all these amazing experiences. What wound up happening was I was doing the same things more awkwardly.

Watching a movie on a 300 inch screen was cool, but it’s annoying wearing it for so long and it’s such a lonely experience. Doing things with friends is fun because of the shared experience. This is a singluar experience that only you can see. And the only way you can interact with anything is through a screen. It doesn’t bring people together. And the video conferencing experience they showed…what do others see? You with a headset on? Nothing at all?

Let’s give it time, but this is like a Newton to me.
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I appreciate your genuine curiosity!

to me, it seems they’ve figured out the lonely aspect of watching content alone with SharePlay—mind you, I’m biased, I can watch hours of YouTube content on my own without feeling lonely, just fascinated by the content (I promise smart people exist on YT ;))—and the idea of consuming content on a screen that is sized to whatever you prefer, in and of itself, is incredible to me—not to mention the immersive backgrounds they include. the 3D camera seems truly groundbreaking in a way that no company has ever pulled off before—of course you can view 3D content on any headset, that’s a basic principle, but never has one existed where you can both live, in real time, the moment that’s happening and then record it, replay it, and live it as if you were there on the same device. that’s an awesome innovation imo, ski-goggle-look be damned 😆 also, given that this can mirror a MacBook’s behavior in an AR environment, I think that’s a huge step forward for computing. I’ve about run out of steam for the day talking about this topic, and I appreciate any points you have to make about my response—happy to continue this dialogue tomorrow. :):apple:
 
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profcutter said:
Author of Neuromancer, and essentially created the Science Fiction genre of Cyberpunk. It’s a kind of dystopian fiction where everything is sold to the highest bidder, laws are made by corporations, and people “jack in” to the net, meaning the immerse themselves in a synthetic world of networks and computers. Quite prescient, actually.

www.cyberpunks.com

William Gibson's Neuromancer: A Novel Ahead Of Its Time — CyberPunks.com

The opening line to Neuromancer (1984) by William Gibson sets the tone for a dark and gritty cyberpunk world that’s progressively looking more like the world of today. An uninformed reader would be hard-pressed to imagine the book being written during the 1980s, seeing as much of the...
www.cyberpunks.com www.cyberpunks.com
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Got it. I am somewhat privy to the distopian genre, but not Gibson. Thanks!

My futurepunk genre of choice is solarpunk, and I feel like Apple would lead the way to that end.
 
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RinkDinkus said:
So I’m not the only one that was freaking out (not in a good way) when they were demoing this??

“Capture your kids birthday party so you can relive the moment like you’re there in 3D” as daddy approaches the kids with a computer strapped to his face

I really do not know how to feel about this product but it’s mostly negative feelings
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Yeah, that clip caused some cognitive dissonance mixed with a dash of dystopian unease, as did the whole presentation. I’ve always associated apple products with looking outwards towards the larger world. The VP seems like a retreat inward, to a safe space literally bounded by technology. At least for average consumer. I have no doubt it could have some great industrial, design, and education applications tho.
 
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EnderTW said:
imagine virtually walking down a virtual mall, shopping and picking things up, purchasing things as if you were there in person, all to have it seamlessly shipped to your house by drone.
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So you take an expensive, isolating VR setup and add all the menial parts of running errands in real life, and the lack of immediacy of online shopping? This is the worst of all situations. Why on earth would anyone want to live in that hellscape?
 
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pendragon1984 said:
Okay, listen, I respect the work that went into this. I can also respect this is a kind of beta hardware for something that might be practical one day in the future. Apple can totally afford to play around with ideas. So, I'm not knocking them for working on this.

However, let's be honest. How many people want to wear this thing on their head instead of watching their 65" OLED TV (or bigger for the price of this thing)? Who wants to take this on a trip instead of a trusty MacBook Pro that has 16 hours of battery life? Who wants to use this thing to write forum posts? Who wants to use this thing to do much of anything? Not me.

In fact there is only one thing I can see this being useful for given the battery life, but they aren't going to market it for that.
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I would.
 
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