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It actually isn’t me. Ive never done 20. Max is 2 or 3. You just assumed it was me with nothing to back it up.
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Ah, no wonder. He wasn't even happy with the pics I posted of my X, which I'm perfectly content with.

see above. Whoever you all are talking about is someone different.
 
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It actually isn’t me. Ive never done 20. Max is 2 or 3. You just assumed it was me with nothing to back it up.
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see above. Whoever you all are talking about is someone different.
I didn’t make an assumption. I asked you first. You didn’t deny it, you simply said that there should be more people like that. Now you want to come back and say all this? Too late
 
I think asserting that Apple intentionally reduces its quality control on launch is an unfounded attack on their integrity.

I don't doubt that some people may be getting a phone that is of not the best quality (I don't buy electronics right at launch), but the five iPhone 12's I have seen so far have had excellent screens. If someone is at a state where they are exchanging iPhone after iPhone because the screen does not meet their expectations, I think it is a sign that the iPhone may not be the best match for them and they may wish to look at other brands.
 
Again @kre62 is not at fault for creating this thread or being particular

There's already 11 pages of mostly interest surrounding the subject, and its a day after launch. Let's give the dude a break

Apple products aren't going to self implode because some are nitpickier than others.
 
Again @kre62 is not at fault for creating this thread or being particular

There's already 11 pages of mostly interest surrounding the subject, and its a day after launch. Let's give the dude a break

Apple products aren't going to self implode because some are nitpickier than others.
I don’t care one way or another because it doesn’t affect me directly. One could argue that it does if it somehow increases costs that reach the consumer from this type of activity. I just find it humorous so I’m having a good time with it
 
I don’t care one way or another because it doesn’t affect me directly. One could argue that it does if it somehow increases costs that reach the consumer from this type of activity. I just find it humorous so I’m having a good time with it
If you got a phone that meets your expectations then that’s great. This isn’t the thread for you.
 
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I don’t care one way or another because it doesn’t affect me directly. One could argue that it does if it somehow increases costs that reach the consumer from this type of activity. I just find it humorous so I’m having a good time with it

I don’t buy this argument. The prices are the prices apple sets. Not a small fraction of the already small base that is macrumors.
 
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I think asserting that Apple intentionally reduces its quality control on launch is an unfounded attack on their integrity.

I don't doubt that some people may be getting a phone that is of not the best quality (I don't buy electronics right at launch), but the five iPhone 12's I have seen so far have had excellent screens. If someone is at a state where they are exchanging iPhone after iPhone because the screen does not meet their expectations, I think it is a sign that the iPhone may not be the best match for them and they may wish to look at other brands.
A few thoughts...

1. there's millions of iphones made so of course there's going to be lower quality control. Millions of people wouldn't be able to get iphones if there was stricter quality control. So, yeah, I don't think it's intentional QA standards lowered at launch. Apple probably just lets people return what they aren't happy with since they can't cover all the problems before ship. All the companies do this anyway, unless is a luxury brand product that is selling for thousands of dollars.

2. There IS no other brand to consider other than Apple for cellphones when you consider privacy and operating system.

*I guess just two thoughts, then. 😂
 
Right. I just put that out there for the naysayers so I can minimize that type of feedback

There’s so many people that swap because of indecisiveness of storage, model, or color.

or bad faith like using them as a loaner device that people with good intentions loving the product wanting a product they can thoroughly enjoy pales in comparison in my opinion.

I knew a guy years ago, I worked with who literally swapped his phone any time HE scratched it up a little. Would make up issues that Couldn’t be verified to get a swap. Psychotic abuse of good will, imo
 
A few thoughts...

1. there's millions of iphones made so of course there's going to be lower quality control. Millions of people would be able to get iphones if there was stricter quality control.

2. There IS no other brand to consider other than Apple for cellphones when you consider privacy and operating system.

*I guess just two thoughts, then. 😂

1. Asserting that reducing the standard is done intentionally is an attack on integrity without evidence. Whether it is Apple, a person, or any other company, it's unfounded without evidence. I agree that more quality control issues can happen during a surge in production and especially during initial tooling and production (which is partly why I do not buy launch products), but that is different than saying it is intentionally done.

2. Then don't buy an iPhone on launch until the surge has died down and initial QC issues can be detected and remedied and more is known about the platform, or purchase from inside a store/from a reseller when you can inspect the phone before going home with the phone, or purchase an iPhone that is one generation older that has been in production for a full year. You have to admit that stories of people going through like 10+ iPhones are a little ridiculous. I understand the expectation for an excellent product but if someone is going through that many replacements, their expectations are not realistic relative to the product at hand and it's time for them to either adjust their expectations or to move on. I've had Apple products that have failed to meet my expectations and I sent them back...but if the replacement after replacement also failed to meet my expectations, I would probably abandon the product.
 
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There’s so many people that swap because of indecisiveness of storage, model, or color.

or bad faith like using them as a loaner device that people with good intentions loving the product wanting a product they can thoroughly enjoy pales in comparison in my opinion.

I knew a guy years ago, I worked with who literally swapped his phone any time HE scratched it up a little. Would make up issues that Couldn’t be verified to get a swap. Psychotic abuse of good will, imo
Agreed, I hate those kinds of people. Even on the shipping tracking thread, so many people just bought it with no intention of keeping it and had already decided they were gonna return it for the Max or Mini. Well, why bother buying it then? Is the thrill of tracking that great for these people? I just don't get it.
 
Agreed, I hate those kinds of people. Even on the shipping tracking thread, so many people just bought it with no intention of keeping it and had already decided they were gonna return it for the Max or Mini. Well, why bother buying it then? Is the thrill of tracking that great for these people? I just don't get it.

There was a period of time I was flagged in Best Buy’s outsourced third party system for swapping a few Retina iPad 3’s which were notoriously bad QC, and a couple 12” MB with multi tint years later and could not return anything for like a year; all sales final.

it’s since been removed Thankfully but I legit was humiliated when it came up, the guy told me they told me previously I couldn’t return anything more when it was the first time I had heard about it. Even for interacting with a random retail employee, I was legitimately embarassed and confused

Big annual spender at Best Buy too, so the third party system they used must have just hated Apple swaps since margins on them at big box stores is probably razor thin to begin with...

but I mention this story because I recall wanting more info as to why I was banned from returning, from the outsourced company, and gave them a call (they never provided a detailed explanation just said the system ‘flagged‘ me) and while on hold the automated thing said they were hired by retailers to prevent return fraud but also like chasing the ‘psychological high of buying stuff’ just to return it with full intention to not hold onto it , on a chronic basis.

so its a thing, apparently.
 
So far, I'm pretty happy with the 12 screen. I can't see much of a difference from my X. Here are 2 screen shots. First is the 12 and the second is the X.
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Screen shots don’t capture the physical characteristics of the screen

only photographs will suffice
 
I’m comparing it to the screen of my iphone 11 and they are (both with the same settings). I don’t care for the warm temperature of the 12 at all. I think I’ll be returning the 12 and keeping the 11...

The 12 is on the left:
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Looking at my iPhone 12 Pro side by side with my iPhone X and the same display settings, the 12 displays much warmer colors. I didn't even realize the difference until I had them both together. Luckily, I don't plan on looking at them side by side.
 
How are you guys just swapping the out so easy? Don't you need an appoinment? I called Apple about my screen and they said the next available appointment is Friday, which I cannot do, or return by mail and wait to see if the can repair it or give me a new one.
 
How are you guys just swapping the out so easy? Don't you need an appoinment? I called Apple about my screen and they said the next available appointment is Friday, which I cannot do, or return by mail and wait to see if the can repair it or give me a new one.

if you’re going to return always do it straight return don’t do any repair stuff. Just do a full retail return and then re-buy a new retail unit. Once they give you a repair phone you can never return again
 
if you’re going to return always do it straight return don’t do any repair stuff. Just do a full retail return and then re-buy a new retail unit. Once they give you a repair phone you can never return again

They wouldn't have any refurbs now lol. you do realise not everyone can do a return anyway, retailers or telcos here won't for a screen colour, unless you want to fight them for weeks via other channels.
 
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if you’re going to return always do it straight return don’t do any repair stuff. Just do a full retail return and then re-buy a new retail unit. Once they give you a repair phone you can never return again


So what you're saying is, cancel the repair, return the phone and buy a new one.
 
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