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Some of the blatant revisionism I referenced.
Anticipation for an iPod with a phone in it was not lukewarm. You’re just trying to claim that it was so you can support your bogus argument.
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Your Mac and Apple Vision Pro: What You Can Do (and What You Can't)
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Some of the blatant revisionism I referenced.
Anticipation for an iPod with a phone in it was not lukewarm. You’re just trying to claim that it was so you can support your bogus argument.
you made my point. Thanks.
let me know when you’re interested in sharing fact based thoughts. I won’t hold my breath.
did you read the story that people will have an app to meassure their faces? I wonder if this will combat resellers. Any constructive comments?
Like I said. It’s obvious that you don’t intend to be forthright so I see no point in continuing to discuss anything with you going forward.
finally we agree. I knew we could.
i do hope Apple lets those who are interested to preconfigure our APV configuration prior to jan. 19. I am particularly concerned about entering my eye glass prescription.
see you around. Haha see what I did there?
Have you tried 3?
They have a max limit of 2 displays. Meaning a laptop can only push 1 external, a Mac mini can obviously do 2 as there is no built in display.
If the article is right this thing is no big deal just a new way to monitor and interact with a separate computer. Many were assuming it would be a computer itself, but it's just a high tech KVM. I would say what's being released in February is more of a Proof of Concept than a 1.0 product.
When Apple first unveiled its next-generation Vision Pro headset at WWDC 2023, the company shared promotional videos that briefly teased the potential applications of using the $3,499 spatial computing device in conjunction with a Mac.
Despite Apple's announcement that Vision Pro will launch on February 2, Apple has yet to expand on the specifics of how the two devices work together. But sift through code and marketing materials, and there are subtle indications about what is possible - and what the limitations are likely to be. Here's what we know.
Mac and Vision Pro: What You Can Do
Create a Virtual Desktop
When it comes to the Mac, the keystone feature of Apple Vision Pro is something called Mac Virtual Display. The system uses AirPlay 2, and allows you to connect your Mac wirelessly to the headset just by looking at your computer through your Vision Pro. According to Apple, this allows you to place and resize a virtual representation of your Mac's display anywhere in space, and "use Vision Pro as an enormous, private, portable 4K display, ideal for pro workflows."
Use visionOS Apps Alongside Your Mac
With Mac Virtual Display enabled, you will be able to able use visionOS apps right alongside your virtual Mac screen. This will allow you to, for example, work on a Final Cut Pro project on an enormous Mac display while also viewing and interacting with separate screens displaying visionOS apps like Photos, Notes, Files, and so on.
Mirror Vision Pro to Mac
Apple Vision Pro supports screen mirroring via AirPlay or FaceTime, according to code found in early beta releases of visionOS, the headset's unique operating system. When wearing Vision Pro, you will be able to select a Mac to mirror content to from the headset, allowing you to share your view with others and reduce any sense of isolation.
Connect Mac Accessories
Vision Pro includes a virtual keyboard for spatial computing sessions, but you can also wirelessly connect Mac accessories to the Vision Pro, including the Magic Keyboard and the Magic Trackpad for more traditional tactile input. Attaching Bluetooth accessories allows for a typical Mac workflow to continue to be used, just with the Mac display replaced by Vision Pro.
Mac and Vision Pro: What You (Likely) Can't Do
Arrange Mac Apps in Virtual Space
Prior to Apple's official unveiling of Vision Pro, many Mac users envisioned an ideal multitasking scenario where it would be possible to break out Mac apps individually in a mixed reality workspace and switch attention between them at a glance. Based on the information available, however, it is not possible to view individual Mac apps in virtual windows alongside one another in Vision Pro's spatial computing environment.
Create Multiple Virtual Displays
Another likely limitation of the first-generation Vision Pro is that it only supports mirroring your Mac's built-in display. In other words, it won't be possible to extend your Mac's screen or recreate a multiple monitor Mac setup in the mixed reality workspace. This could be due to bandwidth limitations (Mac Virtual Display outputs in 4K). On that basis, multiple Mac displays in Vision Pro's spatial computing environment may be something supported in a future version, but don't expect such functionality out of the box.
Connect an Intel Mac
This should probably go without saying, but older Macs based on Intel architecture won't come along for the ride into the spatial computing future. Though Apple hasn't come out and said it officially, only Apple silicon Macs are likely to have the processing horsepower to communicate with Vision Pro, which itself relies on Apple's M2 processor to do the heavy lifting.
Apple Vision Pro and the Future of Mac
As the above suggests, there are still some unknowns about Mac and Vision Pro interoperability. Bearing that in mind, are you optimistic about the future of Mac in the era of spatial computing? What, if anything, disappoints you about Vision Pro support for the Mac? Let us know in the comments.
Apple Vision Pro pre-orders open on Friday, January 19 at 5.00 a.m. PST, and the device goes on sale in the U.S. on Friday, February 2, with availability in Canada and the United Kingdom expected to follow later in the year.
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Read again. The AVP is a computer that runs its own apps based off of iOS. IF you want it can ALSO interact with your Mac. But I agree with it being a proof of concept.
I have presbyopia, and I have been using a Meta Quest 3 for the past few months with no issues. I have high hopes for a similar experience with Apple Vision Pro.Those first two still apply to me.
I wear glasses so VR headsets are non-starters. Depending on how well it deals with presbyopia it may be a non-starter for a large section of the population.
Native apps on iPad have been inferior to their Mac versions for 14 years. I would no expect visionOS apps to catch with MacOS anytime soon.
Surely some apps are good enough: Messages, Map, Weather, Photos, ...
But the heavy hitters like Safari (dev tools), VS Code, Terminal, ... need to be used from a Mac with share 4k mirrored screen.
I cannot wait to see this forum's screenshots posted in 10years showing how dumb all the negative people were.
I was in grad school when the iPhone launched. I distinctly remember hearing a news anchor referring to the iPhone as the Jesus phone and every article anyone posted on it was must read. The hype back then was at a level we may never see again; far, far greater than this or any product since.
Totally this. We see it time and again here with people contributing with negative thoughts on something, especially without a solid, or any argument. But they’re entitled to that opinion and all that.
The AVP will be a leader in its field and I have no doubt, other manufacturers (Google/Samsung) will blatantly copy it sooner rather than later. Then those anti AVP on here will say 'what a wonderful idea' and continue to Bash Apple when they don’t bring out a new category of devices in 12 months time, claiming a lack of innovation.
It’s about time other tech companies started innovating instead of relying on Apple doing the thinking for them.
I was only half kidding. You don't move your head when you are at the movies...like in a theater? Remember those?
If the display is big enough and I'm sitting at a normal distance reading something that is not in the center of the display I don't point my head at the center of the display and just move my eyes. I bet you don't either.
You are quoting Steve Balmer to support an argument?
"only Apple silicon Macs are likely to have the processing horsepower to communicate with Vision Pro"
There are many Intel Macs that outperform most Apple silicon Macs. And the absolute top performer in GPU across all Macs is still the Intel Mac Pro from the last decade, running quad-GPU set-up with 128GB of VRAM. Apple Silicon Macs don't even come close (=
Also ... the only processing horsepower you should need is to send the signal to "external display", rest can be handled on the Vision Pro.
Looks like those performance per watt graphs got even MacRumors confused. Apple Silicon is great for power consumption, but it is not that powerful and is nowhere near desktop options out there.
There are many Intel Macs that outperform most Apple silicon Macs. And the absolute top performer in GPU across all Macs is still the Intel Mac Pro from the last decade, running quad-GPU set-up with 128GB of VRAM. Apple Silicon Macs don't even come close (=
Also ... the only processing horsepower you should need is to send the signal to "external display", rest can be handled on the Vision Pro.
Looks like those performance per watt graphs got even MacRumors confused. Apple Silicon is great for power consumption, but it is not that powerful and is nowhere near desktop options out there.
If it supports a reasonable number of 4K ssh windows, that would be proof that software solutions are possible.
But to require a subscription on top of a $3499 hardware purchase seems insulting enough that I may still prefer to
forego the pre-order and wait to see if VisonOS 2.0 provides the functionality I seek.
I was only half kidding. You don't move your head when you are at the movies...like in a theater? Remember those?
Sure, was in a theater just last year. lol. and sure with my three monitor set up I move my head. but what I was responding to, was your joke that you move your head to see the trashcan on a 27 inch screen. I bet you don't, or if you do, you dont have to. I take the written word quite literally here because there are no contextual cues otherwise.
but back to perhaps the larger point, that moving one's head with a computer set up is somehow bad... my three screen set up begs to differ
. or I guess its me saying moving my head is no big deal (to be exact)
could not agree more concerning the state of iPad apps...which is why AVP v1 wont be my only device, just like my iPad is not my only device. But I sure like the iPad for those content consumption cases. Not sure what niche AVP will fill for me, maybe none, but time will tell. Most likely it will be at least a wife aggro device like my games are (not saying thats a good thing lol).
