My guy in case you haven’t noticed, Apple has been moving in a different direction away from x86.
Your Mac and Apple Vision Pro: What You Can Do (and What You Can't)
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Mrkevinfinnerty
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It's a parody.
Surf Monkey
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One that makes some good points though.
Abazigal
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Does it matter though, so long as the device lets you accomplish what you set out to do? And what does it say if I can perform a task on an iPad or Vision Pro that normally wouldn't be feasible or possible on a "full computer"?
But all you will be doing is watching the film on a virtual large screen with your headphones in, it’ll be exactly like sitting in a cinema on your own? You won’t be immersed at all in the film as that’s virtual reality, which is not what the Apple Vision Pro is designed for.
That is your opinion and some others. Avatar 2 was a 2 billion dollar movie and 60% of that total came from 3D sales. Avatar made 2.789 billion and 3D sales were 1.35 billion.
Yes, 3D has declined faster than (add anything here, lol). I used two movies because they were made for 3D and excluded the vast amount of the cartoonish post-production 3D.
When my 3D tv dies, I will consider a UST projector with 3D because the picture is much better. Those that like it like it and those that don't, don't.
In a sense it is but it's a phone.
On a desktop or pad but not like the AVP. Again, Apple will not make that product or target that market but those tools could always be better.
Surf Monkey
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3D is a dead end. It doesn’t offer any additional tools to creators of television and movies. You can just as easily tell a story in 2D. And as I noted before, part of the reason movies work so well is that they’re NOT in 3D. That abstraction level allows for a lot of creative freedom and helps the audience suspend disbelief.
Come on now. My first computer (Performa 475) was a dinosaur compared to the iPhone. Computers that powerful didn’t exist back then in ANY form. Besides, is the phone part the thing people use most on it? Doubtful.
iPhone is a computer. A full on palmtop computer.
No, in dedicated AR and VR hardware. The industries that are interested in this are already building those out. Vision Pro isn’t intended for a professional environment. It’s a consumer product.
FriendlyMackle
macrumors 6502a
Honestly, I never found 3D on screen at the cinema - even on giant IMAX screens 5x the standard size - to be believable or impressive. There would only be a few instances in films where it was noticeably realistic, and only from certain angles with shots taken especially to accentuate the distance, foreground, etc and feeling artificed and just put into the film for effect and not value of contributing to the film overall. Now perhaps that has to do with filmmakers not having experience with making a film truly optimized for 3D, but it just wasn’t great. The other underwhelming problem was the huge decrease in light/lumens due to the technology itself. The screen brightness was diminished by nearly 50% if I remember correctly. That really bothered me.
I agree Apple seems to be promoting the headset at consumers, but at 3500 stating price it's a rather confusing consumer piece of tech. No one needs it, like a computer say, IMO it would have been better if targeted at the business world.
Abazigal
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Apple is a mass consumer product company. I don't think they have ever released a product aimed specifically at enterprise.
My guess is that given the rumoured lack of supply at launch, Apple is not too worried about the high price because there will likely still be enough interested buyers with sufficient disposable income to afford one at launch. Basically, it's going to be supply-constrained for the next few years, so it's extremely hard to get an accurate read on demand. Meanwhile, this buys Apple time to maybe come out with a more affordable V2.0 Vision Pro just in time to ride the adoption curve.
Star Brood
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I'll be honest. There isn't a computer/gadget in existence nor in the works that does what I would want a computer to do that is also at the right price.
For 3500 I would expect something that can run any program, be it Windows, Linux, OS X, Android, iOS, Playstation, Nintendo, whatever suits the user. For that price, I could buy multiple devices from each of those categories.
Now, to narrow it down:
Neither Linux, OS X, iOS nor OS X have any exclusive apps that I care about. I need Windows for my job, and in my free time I use it for WarCraft 3 and for the occasional dive into my Steam library. Android has better support for indie games like Starlost and productivity apps like WiFi analyzer. Maybe we'll see such niche apps pop up in the future?
Now, to address the headset:
I don't want to turn my face into a gadget showcase. I have a family that I need to be there for. I don't want to be the guy who wears **** that hangs off of his face. I wrote earlier that I probably wouldn't use it even if I got it for free. Regardless of what it is doing, I do not see it as a healthy thing to buy.
turbineseaplane
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If it were me and I was even considering buying the VP, I'd allocate the $3500 to a 77" OLED TV purchase and enjoy that for a few years while they hash this out.
This is going to be VERY "Apple Watch 1.0" IMO
This is going to be VERY "Apple Watch 1.0" IMO
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
That's fine for your use case scenario, nothing wrong with that. Personally I want a full OS on my phone when docked (yay Samsung Dex), a full OS on my tablet (yay Surface Pro), and certainly a $3500 headset with a M2 chip should have a docked option for full MacOS. Yeah I totally get the different interfaces, I just think solving the issue of different interfaces in one OS is very overblown and quite doable for a company like Apple (but then again we do have crap like Stage Manager). At the very least you can keep iOS/iPadOS/VisionOS when it's in mobile mode, with an OPTION for full Mac OS when docked, the power is certainly there.
And yes, for MY purposes, the iPad is definitely crippled without a full OS, read: full file system, full browser extensions, discrete user accounts, etc. I won't go so far as saying an iPhone is crippled with iOS, but it does evoke the potential in a future utopia to only have a single computer on your iPhone surrounded by thin clients, screens, etc. My taste of this has been a foldable, which has for me transcended typical phone use and has become a de facto full computer in many circumstances where a non foldable could never do the same thing.
jonnysods
macrumors G3
My work around was to get a DisplayLink USB video card adapter and I could push a few more screens, but you only get so many outputted pixels, but I usually run my monitors at 2k. But yeah, its pretty annoying.
These are the specs for the M2 Base MM, and M2 Pro.
watrobkasmaczna
macrumors newbie
Just another way to watch porn.
The Vision Pro can tune out the surroundings completely using the virtual atmospheres, so in a sense you will be immersed. No way to do that in movie theaters right now.
sugarfish
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sugarfish
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I wish I had more to back up my gut feeling that the Vision Pro, soon to be a niche item, is going to evolve into technology as pervasive as the iPhone, or close to it, within the next decade (or even the next five years).
I haven’t played with Oculus or other VR headgear much. I did get a chance to play with the Google Glass a little bit. The latter looked kind of silly and chintzy, and its camera felt like an invasion of privacy, and I get the impression that the primary application of the former is gaming. But Apple’s products, while the same genus as their competitors’, have the feeling of being a completely different species. And they often (if not usually) are. I’m not saying they always make better products or that every aspect of any of their products is always superior to every aspect of their competitors at all times. But often enough, they do and they are for consumers and even prosumers.
Apple are just so damn good at making technology attractive. Not just aesthetically, but as tools and toys that play so well with the other tools and toys in the Apple garden (whether you see that exclusivity as a good thing or not). I don’t imagine MASSIVE near-future adoption of Apples’ visionOS products, definitely not the first iteration of the Vision Pro. But I’m betting consumers will be jonesing for their full-immersion VR /AR goggles once they get a taste, and that Apple’s will beat the crap out of any competitors’ versions. The ease of use demonstrated in so many reviews, the familiarity of the user-friendly Apple OS interfaces, and the interoperability (even when it isn’t perfect) will have them (us) drooling. They absolutely will be a status symbols for the rich kids.
Maybe reading so much Gibson and Stephenson is what’s giving me the certainty that the pervasiveness of AR glasses (more than VR/AR goggles) is practically a given. Our faces are buried in our smart phones now more than ever. I’m willing to shell out a LOT for the freedom of having access to the same information and entertainment without having to stare down at my hands. Consumers will WANT that once they get a taste of it, and Apple is more successful at disseminating so much of their tech than any other company. Their smartphones, watches, notepads, laptops and earbuds command a majority of their categories’ market share.
Honestly, I’m not crazy about the idea of people walking around with cameras on their faces. But I know I’ll end up accepting it as much as I’ve come to accept so many other invasions. I’m pretty damn sure most of us will (and yes, that can be a very bad thing). Regardless: niche now, common as iPhones in a decade. Possibly more as they have the potential to make the other obsolete.
And yes, I know, self-driving cars are ALWAYS 10 years away as fusion power is always be 30 years away. And there are so many unpredictable ways for my gut feeling to be proven wrong, whether it’s availability of raw material, international trade, possible disadvantages to long-term use, or civilization as we know it coming to an end. I just really dig the odds.
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4K should be sufficient due to many apps (Safari, Mail, Slack) not needing to run on that screen - they can run on Vision Pro natively.
There is no way many can work on Vision Pro without a Mac. The applications needed just do not exist.
You assume people need fancy proprietary apps to work. A lot of people can do their work with simple productivity apps and a web browser
That may be true. But the vp won’t have such apps. If ipad apps did the trick I’d be using one. They’ll be even worse (to use) on an avp.
Apple has basically told us. You use avp to watch spatial videos or stream movies. I don’t really expect avp to do much more than that in a good way. If people are expecting much more than Apple focused their demos on then expect to be disappointed.
So many people like you are just small time thinkers. Is it really so hard for you to see productivity uses for this product just because Apple hasn’t demoed it?
Yep. Because it's basically an ipad vr. If I could use an ipad to "be productive" i wouldn't have pc's and macs. I mean what don't you understand about this? It's as tiring as the multiple threads we see on here "can an ipad be my primary device?"
In fact the main interest in productivity people seem to have is its ability to display one Mac screen which also requires you having a mac. In this scenario, users envision having a mac screen up (using the mac kb and mouse), and multiple vision (or ipad) apps open (using same mac kb and mouse or maybe requires an additional bt kb). Or perhaps the bt kb is connected to both mac and vision pro. We don't know yet.
And for some, that lone big mac screen may be enough to justify the purchase.
Can you even copy and paste from vision safari or any ipad apps to this one mac window? What ipad or ipad like (vision) apps are even useful or will be useful here? I'm still waiting on ipad to be useful much less this device because in general ipad "productivity" apps are garbage.
Ideally this should've been a macVR (not ipad vr) and macOS based. No need for another mac. Multiple mac windows. No worries about ipad apps period. KB and mouse bt.
farmboy
macrumors 65816
Plug it in. Problem solved. It doesn't just have a battery.