Why are you comparing it to Apples most expensive monitor? There is a massive massive selection of monitors in the world to chose from. I would argue a 4K OLED monitor of 32” would give a better display then this Vision Pro will If it’s just mirroring your desktop.
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Your Mac and Apple Vision Pro: What You Can Do (and What You Can't)
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Why are you comparing it to Apples most expensive monitor? There is a massive massive selection of monitors in the world to chose from. I would argue a 4K OLED monitor of 32” would give a better display then this Vision Pro will If it’s just mirroring your desktop.
"What? It doesn't walk my dog and make me coffee in the morning?! That's BS!!!! Typical Apple."
So it seems my $3499 gets to stay safe until someone implements Terminal apps for VisionOS
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The resolution is essentially 4K (across your whole view), so the smaller, or farther away, a ‘floating’ window is, the less resolution it has. If you have multiple windows open and viewable at the same time, the resolution of each will be drastically decreased. I have a feeling the 5K or nothing crowed isn’t going to like this very much.
Reading through this thread I see a number of references to the VP potentially being used on flights and in hotel rooms for those who are always on the move but what I am confused about is that for many years people who are moving all over the place have complained about having to take too much tech with them, chargers, extra batteries, usb dongles, external hard drives, other dongles etc etc and thus they want a computer that has all the ports on it they would need and a battery life that can last for at least a whole day without having to run around looking for a socket to plug their charger into.
Therefore, are these people going to be prepared to lug around a vison pro with them? considering they want to be a minimal as possible when it comes to lugging around lot's of tech.
When the M1 was announced, a thread popped up where many members complained that it did not have enough ports on it for their needs and thus they would be staying with their intel macbook for the time being because they did not want to have to lug around more tech stuff in their bag. Are people going to want to lug around a Vision Pro? when you consider they did not want to lug around usb dongles and stuff.
Therefore, are these people going to be prepared to lug around a vison pro with them? considering they want to be a minimal as possible when it comes to lugging around lot's of tech.
When the M1 was announced, a thread popped up where many members complained that it did not have enough ports on it for their needs and thus they would be staying with their intel macbook for the time being because they did not want to have to lug around more tech stuff in their bag. Are people going to want to lug around a Vision Pro? when you consider they did not want to lug around usb dongles and stuff.
This is what we already knew was coming https://9to5mac.com/2023/06/07/mac-virtual-display/. It is awesome. Multiple monitors will be a mix of Native apps and Virtual Mac apps. Why would this change any of that?
So ready!
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I believe there is some kind of extreme thinking underlying this concept... like all "Exploded" screens will all be filled with 4K video running at the same time... and thus not enough airplay bandwidth to throw "4 or 8 streams of 4K video" to this device for display.
However, I could easily envision the main screen user is viewing getting the processing and surrounding screens getting static image updates when possible. Viewer would only be able to be engaged with one screen at a time, so that one is- say- playing a complex 4K movie and hogging up most of the Mac-to-Vpro airplay bandwidth. Other Exploded screens could show a screenshot from when user was last looking at them as main screen. When on-(main)-screen action lightens up or even goes static (such as when user is reading a web page/email or similar), the surrounding Mac screen screenshots could get updates.
I don't see a reason why this would NOT work if Apple wanted it. Sure it wouldn't be the same as- say- having a true 4-8 physical screen setup with each screen running a LIVE March Madness game on it at the same time. But again, even in such setups, one set of eyes is only able to focus on one physical screen at any given time. Look at another and it becomes the point of focus, and it then takes over as the actively-fed screen.
I believe this would work in Vpro if Apple wanted to allow it- no airplay tweaks required.
You can't even "mirror" the built-in Mac screen. I have a 5K display, and this $3,500+ gizmo will only let me look at a 4K screen. A step down in resolution and workspace.
I owned Google Glass back in the day. While it was limited at the time, it was still the greatest piece of tech gear I've ever owned. Having a HUD all the time and being comfortable enough to wear all day and not get in the way was outstanding. I still don't know how they pulled off the prism angle the way they did, but it did not impede my vision at all. When something like the AVP eventually gets to the form factor of Google Glass (which was brilliant) I will be all in for sure. Until then though, it's just not going to happen.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I can't speak for "many people" but just myself. And my answer is YEP- laptop + Vpro and supporting parts & pieces in the bag. The benefit in the added lug is the laptop will have a gigantic screen on which to work... and/or a gigantic "TV" if the work gets done and I want to watch a movie.
This is different than port dongles, etc angst, in that you lug those because you MAY need them. If Vpro becomes the new "lid" to my mobile laptop, I will DEFINITELY be using it as a super-sized laptop screen.
I even have speculated the possibility of lightening this load a bit by buying a damaged lid MB, removing the lid, so that only the bottom "half" + Vpro is in the bag. The bottom half MB already works fine with physical screens.
If it works as fine with Vpro virtual ones, that very well may be my future "laptop"... a modern-day Commodore 64 or Amiga 500 if you will paired with Vpro.
Of course, if there was some way to shrink the laptop load further while still delivering that combination of benefits, I'm even more interested. But that's some visual implant variant of Vpro at which time MB might be an implant option too for no bag at all.
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I’d buy ine b/c my justification threshold is very low. I already look ‘too gadgeted out’ carrying an iPhone, iPad Pro, Macbook Air and over war headpones into dialysis, so why not an Apple Vision that will make me look like I’m wearing night vision googles.
If I could play Steam games from my MBA that’d be cool.
Tom
If I could play Steam games from my MBA that’d be cool.
Tom
The AVP uses 5,000 nit (claimed) OLED displays, so the contrast ratio should be phenomenal and blow away most any desktop monitor.
That is where foveated rendering comes in. It is a new paradigm. Standard monitor thoughts do not apply.
Apple’s most loved and profitable product [iPhone] continues to get larger and more expensive as it matures. iPad Pro and Apple Watch also get larger and more expensive as they mature. It feels strange that we’re expecting [counting on] the game changer platform to get smaller and less expensive [for it to succeed].
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People keep talking about using this in public. Do you really think this will become the norm or "socially accepted" as in not being made fun of (like AirPods in the beginning). I am only asking this because I have literally never ever seen anyone use / wear a Meta Quest helmet in public such as on a plane or anything like that. I wonder if there are any regulations on when / when not to use it like is it actually allowed on planes for example? I dont want some doofus spilling their drink or food on me because they are "in their own world".
edit: and another thought, isnt the movement of the train / elevation of the plane whatever going to mess up the view and everything becomes shaky or simply not functional? I guess my question is, how productive can you really be with it unless you are being stationary in a room
edit: and another thought, isnt the movement of the train / elevation of the plane whatever going to mess up the view and everything becomes shaky or simply not functional? I guess my question is, how productive can you really be with it unless you are being stationary in a room
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Well said - and well written. Thanks for taking the time to lay that all out!
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
You CAN mirror the Mac screen. You can mirror a Mac screen to a 640X480 display if you can find one. Yes, it won't be 5K resolution like a 5K Mac screen, but this gets into "good enough" for the mobile benefits territory.
I just gave someone a new Mac for Christmas and paired it with a big 4K screen. I was actually a little worried about the latter because the koolaid apparently seeps in if you read the same stuff often enough. However, as soon as it fired up, I was very impressed with how great the Mac screen looked on that 4K monitor. Text was NOT blurry. Images looked crisp & sharp. I immediately realized that if it was my screen, I'd adapt to it, not even noticing some fine 5K quality difference unless I really, really make effort to find something.
There are Apple people who have paired the cheapie VR glasses products with Macs on YouTube. Example:
Here's another...
...and they generally gush at how good virtual screens look at 1080p cheapie glasses resolution. If they do look good in 1080p virtual views, I have to think 4K virtual views will be that much sharper.
For those in doubt about this topic, you have no way to go try something other than a physical monitor right now. But in a few weeks, you can step into an Apple store and see with your own eyes. Maybe it will be disappoint? Maybe it will be amazing? Rather than speculate now, just stand by a couple of weeks and see for yourself.
All the pessimistic or optimistic speculation in the world won't compare to seeing with your own eyes. I look forward to passing that kind of final judgement myself.
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Thanks, I think your input was just as interesting. Get off your high horse, kiddo.
As a woman and a person of color who has hair that doesn't lie flat against my head, this is already out. I couldn't wear it without shaving my hair short or straightening it neither of which I want to do.
I think making this something that is accessible for ALL people to wear (right now it is really best for people with short straight hair) is going to be important for widespread adoption. Not sure how they are going to achieve that but as a woman, I couldn't imagine relying on an accessory for work that dictated my hairstyle.
This reminds me a bit of the Apple Watch. But apple realized there how important it was to provide options and personalization for something a person needed to wear. They were wise to release it out of the gate with multiple size options to better accommodate men and women's average wrist sizes. I feel like they're really dropping the ball on inclusivity this time (and maybe that's just unavoidable with v1, but they need to address it at some point)
I think making this something that is accessible for ALL people to wear (right now it is really best for people with short straight hair) is going to be important for widespread adoption. Not sure how they are going to achieve that but as a woman, I couldn't imagine relying on an accessory for work that dictated my hairstyle.
This reminds me a bit of the Apple Watch. But apple realized there how important it was to provide options and personalization for something a person needed to wear. They were wise to release it out of the gate with multiple size options to better accommodate men and women's average wrist sizes. I feel like they're really dropping the ball on inclusivity this time (and maybe that's just unavoidable with v1, but they need to address it at some point)
Well, there goes my plan of having several Chrome windows open so I could watch multiple cat videos at once. Imagine a whole wall of multiple cat videos! I guess I'll have to wait a little longer for that glorious future. 😩
