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Well, there goes my plan of having several Chrome windows open so I could watch multiple cat videos at once. Imagine a whole wall of multiple cat videos! I guess I'll have to wait a little longer for that glorious future. 😩
How many cats do you have. My youngest, a Bengal cross named Negan is a real ******.

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I believe there is some kind of extreme thinking underlying this concept... like all "Exploded" screens will all be filled with 4K video running at the same time... and thus not enough airplay bandwidth to throw "4 or 8 streams of 4K video" to this device for display.

However, I could easily envision the main screen user is viewing getting the processing and surrounding screens getting static image updates when possible. Viewer would only be able to be engaged with one screen at a time, so that one is- say- playing a complex 4K movie and hogging up most of the Mac-to-Vpro airplay bandwidth. Other Exploded screens could show a screenshot from when user was last looking at them as main screen. When on-(main)-screen action lightens up or even goes static (such as when user is reading a web page/email or similar), the surrounding Mac screen screenshots could get updates.

I don't see a reason why this would NOT work if Apple wanted it. Sure it wouldn't be the same as- say- having a true 4-8 physical screen setup with each screen running a LIVE March Madness game on it at the same time. But again, even in such setups, one set of eyes is only able to focus on one physical screen at any given time. Look at another and it becomes the point of focus, and it then takes over as the actively-fed screen.

I believe this would work in Vpro if Apple wanted to allow it- no airplay tweaks required.
A potentially big difference between traditional and virtual displays is that with the latter, the resolution only matters where your eyes are looking. I get a feeling Apple’s eye-tracking tech is going to prove much more powerful than what we’re currently realizing, appreciating and discussing.

Despite all the doomsayers, this is pretty exciting in the evolution of the Mac.
 
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Well, there goes my plan of having several Chrome windows open so I could watch multiple cat videos at once. Imagine a whole wall of multiple cat videos! I guess I'll have to wait a little longer for that glorious future. 😩
I get this is a joke...but you can have several Chrome windows open watching multiple cat videos.
 
It won’t be THE future though, 3D TVs failed because no one liked wearing glasses all the time and it made some people sick, I wonder if this Vision Pro will do the same like other VR headsets can? For the price too most will probably opt to buy that MacBook Pro on the desk as I imagine it’s a lot more versatile than the headset is if it’s based on iOS.
I think 3d tvs failed because the overall experience it delivered wasn’t good enough. To be honest 3d movies never delivered that wow factor to me, and that’s because of hardware limitations in the past. I’m hoping this solves that, I think it will.
 
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I think 3d tvs failed because the overall experience it delivered wasn’t good enough. To be honest 3d movies never delivered that wow factor to me, and that’s because of hardware limitations in the past. I’m hoping this solves that, I think it will.

It only can solve this if your watch movies by yourself.

I almost only watch movies/tv/streaming with my wife, and often others.
 
That is where foveated rendering comes in. It is a new paradigm. Standard monitor thoughts do not apply.
Foveated rendering doesn’t increase the resolution of the display panel in the foveal area. It decreases the effective resolution/accuracy outside the foveal area to reduce the total rendering workload. You still get “only” ~4K for the whole field of view of the eye.
 
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Hmm. I've planning to preorder since this thing was announced last year, but the whole "you likely can't arrange Mac apps in virtual space" thing is giving me pause. I was very much imagining being surrounded by After Effects, Illustrator, Safari, Zoom, Outlook and the usual suspects in separate windows. If that's not a thing, my interest in this device takes a pretty significant hit.
You can still arrange those apps in virtual space running directly on AVP. Its only if M2 isn't powerful enough for Illustrator or the native app is somehow inferior to the mac version you would need to mirror your mac screen. As i understand you can use native AVP apps on 'infinite virtual screen' alongside a 4k window of mirrored mac screen. I think the future is running all apps directly on AVP, but would be interesting if they enable higher bandwidth connection via thunderbolt for example
 
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“This is stupid no one is going to pay $600 for an iPhone”

“Why do I need an iPhone again?”

“The iPhone is not the future and it will flop”.

Steve Balmer: “the iPhone will never be a success”

No one of importance ever called the original iPhone stupid, this is an often repeated lie told here for some reason Most people were wowed from day 1. Smart phone market leaders Nokia and Blackberry immediately knew they were in trouble after seeing that first demo.
No one asked why we needed an iPhone. The smart phone market was well established at that point. Everyone knew why we needed an iPhone, they just haven't seen mobile computing done that well up to that point. They certainly didn't say it wasn't the future.
It is true that Steve Balmer lacked vision but his primary criticism was the price and he wasn't wrong about that. The iPhone was definitely a luxury item and didn't pick up huge momentum until Apple struck a deal with AT&T to subsidize the iPhone. Up until then carriers very much controlled the phone market and they expected full control of the hardware on their networks. Apple was turned down by every major carrier and only when they finally struck a deal with AT&T did they have a chance. The first year saw a $199 iphone and a month later a $99 option. The already impressive iPhone finally priced right had Verizon customers switching to a much smaller network AT&T just to have one. Verizon tried all sorts of promotions with competitors until eventually their hand was forced. At the time a $600 iPhone was doomed to fail. Fortunately Jobs was able to negotiate out deals quick enough to pave the future of the platform.
The only way Steve Balmers comments were really wrong was about the keyboard. One of Apples most impressive implementations was perfecting a usable virtual keyboard. No one could imagine it working well because touch screens were not great up until then. Even after the iPhone it took a good number of years before virtual keyboards on competitors products could come close. The first iPhones keyboard is really an under remembered breakthrough innovation that should be mentioned more often.

My larger point though is thst the Vision Pro shares no iPhone launch similarities except the price criticism. I don't see a mobile provider stepping in to save this by subsidizing its huge price.
 
Apple’s most loved and profitable product [iPhone] continues to get larger and more expensive as it matures. iPad Pro and Apple Watch also get larger and more expensive as they mature. It feels strange that we’re expecting [counting on] the game changer platform to get smaller and less expensive [for it to succeed].
The bezels do get smaller though. ;)
 
It only can solve this if your watch movies by yourself.

I almost only watch movies/tv/streaming with my wife, and often others.
So, it's not for you. Move on.

I watch movies on my own all the time. And I watch movies with my family, too.

An iPad is considered a media consumption device; and likely mostly used "alone."

A laptop can watch movies, and most people use them alone.

This remains a manufactured criticism wielded by people who have already decided they don't like, won't buy, the AVP.

...and for some reason, think they must convince others not to buy it as well. Odd.
 
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People keep talking about using this in public. Do you really think this will become the norm or "socially accepted" as in not being made fun of (like AirPods in the beginning). I am only asking this because I have literally never ever seen anyone use / wear a Meta Quest helmet in public such as on a plane or anything like that. I wonder if there are any regulations on when / when not to use it like is it actually allowed on planes for example? I dont want some doofus spilling their drink or food on me because they are "in their own world".
It won’t be that much different from people putting their sleep masks and ear plugs on, I think.
 
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Foveated rendering doesn’t increase the resolution of the display panel in the foveal area. It decreases the effective resolution/accuracy outside the foveal area to reduce the total rendering workload. You still get “only” ~4K for the whole field of view of the eye.
No. You have 4K per eye. Foveated rendering allows this to be allocated based on your eye's focus point. It is already in use on higher end devices and it is stunning!
 
Virtual display is what sold me. I don't know if I would buy just for that, but I don't live in the US so I don't have a choice anyway. But I have an ultrawide display in my home office and I work from hotels on a small laptop screen more often than I like. Only that one feature has a massive value to me.
This is why I plan to buy the AVP. I want to use it as a mac extension.
 
My larger point though is thst the Vision Pro shares no iPhone launch similarities except the price criticism. I don't see a mobile provider stepping in to save this by subsidizing its huge price.

Apple may allow 0% interest financing over a period of months.
 
A technicality, but I think only screen mirroring is using AirPlay 2. The virtual display should be using some variation of screen sharing for privacy and codec reasons.
 
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So, it's not for you. Move on.

I watch movies on my own all the time. And I watch movies with my family, too.

An iPad is considered a media consumption device; and likely mostly used "alone."

A laptop can watch movies, and most people use them alone.

This remains a manufactured criticism wielded by people who have already decided they don't like, won't buy, the AVP.

...and for some reason, think they must convince others not to buy it as well. Odd.

I suppose that's why I could never find a use for an iPad.
 
A potential bid difference between traditional and virtual displays is that with the latter, the resolution only matters where your eyes anre looking. I get a feeling Apple’s eye-tracking tech is going to prove much more powerful than what we’re currently realizing, appreciating and discussing.

Despite all the doomsayers, this is a pretty exciting in the evolution of the Mac.

I agree. I just didn't want to speculate that to feed the pessimism fires.

Again, I look at apparently Apple people reviewing the cheapie 1080p versions and gushing at crispness of views in productivity and I have to extrapolate the crispness to the leap to 4K-per-eye. I don't know how to do the "retina" pessimism thing on this at 4K placed only an inch or two away from our eyes. My gut says resolution should thoroughly impress any actual eyes who give Vpro a try.

But I'll give the pessimists some space here: until any of us can actually have a look with our eyes, there's room for ANY imagination to go anywhere. Fortunately, most of the imagination gets converted to reality in a few weeks... at last!
 
Hmm. I've planning to preorder since this thing was announced last year, but the whole "you likely can't arrange Mac apps in virtual space" thing is giving me pause. I was very much imagining being surrounded by After Effects, Illustrator, Safari, Zoom, Outlook and the usual suspects in separate windows. If that's not a thing, my interest in this device takes a pretty significant hit.
In the virtual space yeah it makes sense. I assume you will be able to access the mac apps through the mac window like when you access windows os from parrallels app.
 
Wait, if you can only mirror the built in Mac screen, then what is even the point like wouldn’t you see the same thing without wearing a clunky thing on your head, just not as „big“? Or am I misunderstanding it.

Guess it also depends on what field you are working in but not once in my life did I think „damn, I wish my screen for work was bigger!“ and I used to do a lot of Excel and wrote my thesis on a 12 inch MacBook back in the day 😅 For me (personally) this „wish“ only applies when I consume entertainment media

So no monitory report.

I’m puzzled by this as well.

This about the battery life and you’re not really working effectively either
 
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No. You have 4K per eye.
That’s what I wrote (“eye” singular, not plural). And with foveated rendering those 4K are still spread over the total field of view of the eye (singular), not concentrated in the foveal area.
 
It won’t be that much different from people putting their sleep masks and ear plugs on, I think.

Those are more subtle and people dont fiddle around with their hands in the air to navigate around something no one else but themselves can see though. Imagine you want to hit play on a movie using your Vision Pro on a plane and suddenly you have your finger stuck into your neighbours nose :D honestly, I still dont think it will even work with the change in altitude etc
 
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