Same 'ol theme, convince consumers they need multiple devices. Apple is, after all, a hardware company. Even though services are catching up, they still make most of their money from hardware.
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Your Mac and Apple Vision Pro: What You Can Do (and What You Can't)
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Same 'ol theme, convince consumers they need multiple devices. Apple is, after all, a hardware company. Even though services are catching up, they still make most of their money from hardware.
Do you use an iPhone? Do you live in multiple worlds? The AVP is no more restrictive in its uses than is the iPhone or the iPad. Both of which are successful products. Even in a world where many people need to use Windows, Linux or Nintendo Switch.
This is key and how I would use it too. It would be more ideal though if you were able to have multiple virtual Mac displays or better yet free floating Mac apps, because one could be using some Mac-only apps or apps that don’t sync, but also say you're running a native VP chat or email app and want to upload/download files from/to your Mac, you might not be able to do that, unless the two platforms are connected in a way I don’t know about (or maybe that integration is in the works?). But as a workaround for uploads/downloads, you could simultaneously run the same apps on the Mac but on another virtual desktop space and just switch to it for uploads/downloads and then switch back.
I have a couple other worries though.
One is how much latency there will be with Airplay 2, and whether it will be for certain workflows. Things like video/audio editing require no latency. Although I seem to recall in Apple’s marketing video seeing someone using a Mac editing app in VP.. so I’m confused about that. But for my purposes a little latency mostly won’t be a problem.
Another worry is how the VP’s video passthrough affects using a physical drawing monitor. If I’m drawing on a Cintiq or Surface screen, will everything look and feel normal through the VP? I’m thinking it probably will, but need to be sure.
Another thing is for my work I use a ton of reference images—mostly psd, jpg, png—and some videos. Having infinite real estate to have them all spread out to see simultaneously (or at least grouped/tabbed into five or six side by side windows, each in which I can switch between images) is a major reason I’m considering the VP. But I’m not sure exactly how I would do that without free floating Mac apps. I’m sure there has to be a way, and I guess it would have to be through a native VP app. But not sure which or how.
I wasnt criticizing your grammar. I was criticizing your logic. My point stands.
Some people wont want to carry it. Some will. You keep emphasizing one group while ignoring the other. You say there are multiple threads of people complaining about extra tech in the bag, while ignoring those people in the threads who say they can't wait to travel with them.
Going to repeat. Not all travelers are the same. Thats not a grammar thing, its a logic thing.
So for goodness sake, give it a rest.
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And a Windows Computer can't do everything a Mac can. And a Mac can't do everything a Windows Computer can. And yet, both Windows and Macs are computers. As is the AVP.
I guess I’m in the minority, but one display is fine. Currently at my desk I have a 32 inch monitor and my MacBook Pro beside it (two displays) the big one has my content I’m working on and the MacBook usually has music or podcast or a YouTube video on it. I can easily see using the main desktop in VP and using the Vision Pro version of music or podcast beside it. And if you need additional desktops you can still use virtual desktops though Mission Control, as I already use today.
Ok then, you believe that if you want. As an iPad Pro M1 owner I’ll beg to differ, it still cannot perform functions my 14 year old Mac Laptop can.
There are a lot of AR glasses announced, not just AR but they also provide a huge screen just like the VP does. IMO VR and AR/virtual screen technology needs to be separated, at least until we can figure out how to make both in something as small as glasses. The VP tries to do too much, it's probably great as a VR unit ignoring the crazy price, but as far as AR and having a virtual screen it's overkill to be wearing a huge, clunky headset.
It's just simply not the same. FWIW I don't think Vision Pro will fail, but it's not going to be on the same level as the iPhone in terms of breakaway success. I imagine it'd be more like the Watch where the first few iterations were questionable but it's now a solid product.
It largely depends on the work I think. As a developer I prefer to use real displays because I can give my eyes a break more easily etc. But for the occasion where I want to do whiteboard/diagrams stuff my Quest 3 has proven great for that (I could also just get a whiteboard, heh).
Huh? Relax. You were suggesting AVP would fail because large/old 3D TVs and awful glasses did many years ago.
You might not realize AVP is far far and away different in it's capabilities (such as true AR), image quality, usefulness/utility, comfort, available media, and on and on.
No one will mind if that's not for you.
All this fun aside... I have one question. Will this work with my MacBook in clamshell mode? Sure I want to use this on a plane, but not if I have to have my MacBook screen open too. Doubt anyone here can answer that for me, will have to try it out for myself. And no doubt, it will evolve over time.
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No doubt about "it would be more ideal..." I wish it will be that way too. This story implies that it will not. But while it's still one big ball of mostly vapor/imagination, we can easily imagine it will or won't.
With an M2, I wish it was basically a full Mac so I could pack it plus a bluetooth keyboard and mouse/trackpad for my ALT laptop concept. But all rumors seem to dismiss that possibility entirely for this version. It looks like Mac apps will need to be running on an actual Mac and Vpro can simply be a super-sized Mac screen on demand. Presumably that M2 is busy managing all of the stuff unique to Vpro without much spare horsepower to be a Mac too. I recall that copy & paste wasn't available on the original iPhone, so there will almost certainly be even some simple wants that are not there out of the gate.
As to sharing things from Mac to Vpro apps and back again, that too will prove desirable... and whether this "just works" or doesn't is to be determined. My guess is that there will be issues at the beginning that may get resolved as it becomes clear that Apple missed some wants that will manifest by many users.
Airplay 2 latency: all I could offer is fake it now to a television: MB airplay 2 through AppleTV to a TV. See what you think of the latency. My guess is that is a good approximation.
Since FCP runs on iPad, someone using a video editing app in Vpro might be using that app... or iMovie... or something dedicated for Vpro.
No idea about the physical drawing monitor concept.
And how reference images could be displayed, dedicated apps or Mac screen only, etc is all TBD.
To all of this, you can find out in a few weeks. You'll have a good list to carry in to a demo and see if it can do things you want to do or not. As is, there is a general concept that this can run multiple iPad apps at the same time. So anything we think of the we want it to do but don't know if it can could be roughed up in iPad apps. Conceptually, if someone has a current and older iPad or two, they have the ability to fake 3 floating iPad windows right there.
Then we have this "anything on a Mac screen" capability too... which I believe will translate to anything on Mac Screen SPACES, so that there is actually many Mac screens available with unique Mac apps running on them... but only a single screen view at a time. I suspect Mission Control with many spaces will largely work the same way as it does on a Mac now. So anything that works with Mission Control & Spaces probably works with a virtual Mac Screen in Vpro.
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Just curious, are you able to wear headphones/goggles/ski masks?
The VP definitely isn’t meant for people to wear as often as they use their phones, just for certain tasks. But I agree it will limit usage for people with certain hairstyles.
But the only way I can see any headset not affecting hairstyles is if it only hooks around the ears like glasses. But it will need to get MUCH lighter for that, which probably won’t be possible for a long time.
It's just too much spread too think IMO, that's why I'm a Surface Pro person, I just have to worry about one OS and one set of programs/apps. Windows and Macs are much more interchangeable than you think, especially running one or another under a VM. It just gets dicey with apps, but M-class Macs can run iOS apps, and Windows can run Android apps. The converse isn't true, iPads and iPhones (and now Vision OS) can't run Mac software.
There needs to be some sort of technology altruism IMO, although Apple is at the far end of the spectrum here with their walled garden. Apple also takes it to even farther extremes because they are a hardware company and for them to profit they have to convince customers they require multiple hardware devices, thus the need for these specialized different OS' which aren't really needed.
except a lot of interaction is based on eye movement so you in theory shouldn't have to worry about that.
I work in finance (bond trading) and do need a lot of screen real estate... I have 4 32" screens stacked and all are full....So this would probably appeal to someone in my field... However I could not picture myself going through a whole work day with a vision pro on my head, it just doesn't seem sustainable.
what Mac were you using? I use my 12.9 iPad Pro all the time as a second monitor to my M2 MBA 15 all the time and never notice a problem at all.
It's not just that, and it may seem trivial for some, but my wife's first remark on seeing this was about her hair and makeup. You are going to take these off with mussed up hair and red circles around your eyes, I've used VR goggles long enough to know this fact. These aren't going to be breakthrough until they are the size of glasses, which is why IMO Apple should have released a smaller, more glasses-like AR/virtual screen unit. I'm not even sure why they are pushing for the VR side of it.
I chuckled at this comment, thank you, I realize you mean it to be humorous. But to state the obvious, most of us move our eyes not our heads to accomplish what you said.
That's exactly what I said. Every computer platform has different strengths and weaknesses. I'm not sure what your point is. Is a Mac a computer? Yes. Is a Windows PC a computer? Yes. Can you do exactly the same things on both? No.
The AVP is a computer.