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Your Mac and Apple Vision Pro: What You Can Do (and What You Can't)
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So you think there is no advantage to having it be more open? Say to standard video inputs or more than one user?
Seems like unnecessary restrictions.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
What lot of work?
When I was flying with the G4 Powerbook with 2-hour battery life in the early 2000s, it was trivial to swap batteries when power got low. I rolled with the 2-hour limitation because that's what it took to use that product that way for longer than 2 hours.
Are sleep masks banned on flights "due to the inability of the wearer to pay attention to the safety of themselves and others?"
In an airplane emergency, a computing device user is going to stop using the computing device- be that Vpro or laptop or iPad or iPhone. These things are not permanently mounted and difficult/complicated to remove. I expect putting it away will be as easy as putting away a laptop. So if laptops are not banned, I doubt Vpro will be banned.
And I am NOT a diehard Apple fan at all. If you read a good mix of my posts around here, nobody would call me one. I'm readily critical of Apple when I see anti-consumer choices by them. I'm generally anti-iCloud, anti-ASD, anti-Watch, anti-HomePods, etc. I think that RAM & SSD pricing is exploitive (but no surprise since Apple is positioned as the only "store"), and in favor of ideas like sideloading/competing stores exactly as it is- and works just fine- on Macs. If that's not enough, I don't even own iPhone. I use a cellular iPad mini with buds & VOIP app to cover my telephony needs.
So don't imply fanboy nonsense. I'm about as centrist as it gets around here... speaking purely from a consumer perspective vs. any heavy bias for or against Apple like the extremists. Even with THIS product, I lean positive based on what is known... but reserve judgement until I can try one with my own eyes and see for myself. If it's actually a dog, I'll readily flip to a more pessimistic view of it... as I am towards a number of other Apple products.
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Im worried that accidentally looking at the wrong thing will become a distraction.My understanding is that you don’t have to fiddle around with your hands in the air. You “aim” with your eyes, and then you “click” by tapping your thumb and index finger together wherever your hand happens to be resting. It’s not like Minority Report.
Of course, you won’t be playing Beat Saber on a plane.
It's as open as is the iPad. The iPad doesn't have "standard video inputs" or, in most cases, more than one user. The iPad is a success.
Considering that this tapping fingers together thing works only intermittently with my AW U 2, and that is strapped to my wrist so can easily register those little muscle/tendon movements, I think this doing it in the air is hugely ambitious.My understanding is that you don’t have to fiddle around with your hands in the air. You “aim” with your eyes, and then you “click” by tapping your thumb and index finger together wherever your hand happens to be resting. It’s not like Minority Report.
Of course, you won’t be playing Beat Saber on a plane.
Still, I cannot wait to see what it will be like in real life.
I am willing — very willing — to be convinced.
Edit: Just maybe not quite £4,000 worth willing… 😉
Genuinely, I'm pleased for you. I wish I felt excited by it.
It's a niche product that will no doubt fit really nicely into some people's lives.
But it won't change the world.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Have you tried air-playing from your MB through AppleTV to your TV? That should be an excellent approximation of air-playing to Vpro minus the AppleTV "middleman" part.
People bring up these quotes as some sort of gotcha every time people are skeptical about a new tech thing disregarding that it was mainly people in the tech space that that blew off the iPhone (executives like those at Microsoft/Blackberry especially wanted to see it fail to protect their market share)
The average consumer was very excited for the iPhone (clearly) and I dont think that enthusiasm is there for the Vision Pro. Apple marketed the original iMac/iPod/iPhone/iPad/Watch/etc. as products for everyone so its odd that Apple is betting on a sort of trickle-down method this time around for Vision Pro.
Not even trying to be a total hater as im sure it'll be top of its class in the VR Space, and if I had to make a choice I would definitely pick it over anything Facebook related, but this is absolutely not the iPhone level paradigm shift that people are desperate to relive (or live through by proxy because they missed out on it).
A good way to kill off the intel macs. Design and build something that hopefully mac owners will want but will only work on the latest CPU hardware thereby getting them to ditch their intel mac and upgrade to a M1 or M2 machine.
People getting sick should not be a problem, Apple is using PiedPiper’s MiddleOut to prevent that.
😂
I'm a bit disappointed that I can't create multiple Mac virtual displays. Even two would be helpful. However, since one of my Mac displays is usually just Apple's calendar and mail, the VisionOS equivalents will probably be sufficient -- presuming I can arrange multiple VisionOS apps and a 4K Mac display.
Ugh, only now do I realise Apple will never make a device that can fully replace a mac i.e. run mac apps natively in visionOS. Just in the way they'll never let iPads run macOS apps within iPadOS.
So I think this will sit alongside the mac for the next few decades in the same way the iPad sits alongside the mac. The only way this becomes THE future of computing is when developers make visionOS apps instead of macOS apps.
So I think this will sit alongside the mac for the next few decades in the same way the iPad sits alongside the mac. The only way this becomes THE future of computing is when developers make visionOS apps instead of macOS apps.
You are easily amazed and being contributor here gives you the right to be rude to people. Not cool at all.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
"Never" is a very long time. This one will apparently NOT run native Mac apps. A future version might do anything.
Indeed, but when Apple make desktops that just work and are reliable, why change simply for change's sake? Plus their move to unified memory and storage means they're now incredibly expensive to spec up to the level of the older iMacs.
I was hoping Vision Pro would be a stand alone computing device and not an accessory to a Mac--you can't even have a virtual dual monitor? That might not be right. I realize some functions are stand alone and if that's the case I'd also expect a strong gaming competitor to the Quest but I'm not hearing that's the case.
Basically, if I'm gonna pay that much money this has to be an everything device and it doesn't sound like it.
I'm still excited to see it and I might even preorder to lock in a device while I confirm from reviewers what it can *actually* do. It's a little annoying Apple isn't more forthcoming with information about capability.
Basically, if I'm gonna pay that much money this has to be an everything device and it doesn't sound like it.
I'm still excited to see it and I might even preorder to lock in a device while I confirm from reviewers what it can *actually* do. It's a little annoying Apple isn't more forthcoming with information about capability.
I imagine Steve Job's reaction to this product would be something like...
"Who wants to strap battery powered ski-googles to their head just to check their damn email! Yuck!"
"Who wants to strap battery powered ski-googles to their head just to check their damn email! Yuck!"
Past 3D TVs never offered a truly immersive experience, or could be used in true AR/VR applications. That's a huge difference.
Not true. SJ had a very fertile imagination and could envision the possibilities. Many people immediately dissing AVP appear not (or refuse) to.
Kinda defeats the point of Vision Pro tbh if all it does is AirPlay your Mac Screen... There could have been more potential tbh...
Also, I am wondering if Final Cut Pro for iPad will be supported on Vision Pro...
This was why I thought FCP was added to the iPad so they can click this checkbox to make it supported on visionOS.
Also, I am wondering if Final Cut Pro for iPad will be supported on Vision Pro...
This was why I thought FCP was added to the iPad so they can click this checkbox to make it supported on visionOS.
Assuming we get another Vision device, this will be the clearest, most extreme upgrade from 1.0 to 2.0 versions of their devices.
But Apple isn't infallible. They're like on the 4th or 5th failed iteration of the Mac Pro. They don't have a lot of successful devices in the >$3000 price range. Hell, nobody in the devices space does. This device is likely a retail test mule more than anything else.
How many onboard cameras do they really need? How much can they slim down the R1 based on real user telemetry in real living spaces? Can they make smaller, cheaper 3440x3440 MicroOLED chips? At some point we'll get a 2.0 of this that will make their launch unit look like the first Macintosh computer.
But Apple isn't infallible. They're like on the 4th or 5th failed iteration of the Mac Pro. They don't have a lot of successful devices in the >$3000 price range. Hell, nobody in the devices space does. This device is likely a retail test mule more than anything else.
How many onboard cameras do they really need? How much can they slim down the R1 based on real user telemetry in real living spaces? Can they make smaller, cheaper 3440x3440 MicroOLED chips? At some point we'll get a 2.0 of this that will make their launch unit look like the first Macintosh computer.