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It would have been great to get this included in AppleTV, but paying $300+ extra is just way too much for what it is. Apple made the right call as far as I'm concerned.
 
I have been a subscriber for the last 27 years. I have never been offered a price anywhere near this amount. If you follow the DTV Internet forums you will see that a large number of subscribers would call even year and complain about the price. DTV gave them a discount of a couple hundred dollars a year for a few years. Then they got smart ( they were paying 1.5 billion dollars a year for the service) and started telling them no. Pay the full price for the service or we will discontinue you. The only people who I saw got a low price like you said was college students. They could subscribe for $99 a year. And all of those discounted prices required you to prove that you could not subscribe to the satellite service. If you could get satellite, you pay the full price. What I paid was the 70 dollars for adding the iPhone and iPad service to my existing satellite service. That’s where the 500 dollars a year number comes from.
"If you could get satellite, you pay the full price. What I paid was the 70 dollars for adding the iPhone and iPad service to my existing satellite service. That’s where the 500 dollars a year number comes from."

I can't get satellite. My plan is iPhone/iPad only.
 
Do yourself a favor and learn how to stream any game you want online. You're still watching somebody's commercials. Asking some people to pay extra for something other people get for free with commercials is just perverse. And for a blackout zone to go any further than 20 or 30 miles is also just greedy and gross.
Boy, if you could sort of hint or explain the whole, "learn how to stream any game you want online," it would be greatly appreciated.

I've noticed college games streaming live on YT when they clearly shouldn't be, but I have never caught an NFL stream like that.
 
I'm not in the Sunday Ticket demographic, but if the addition of this package ensures that YoutubeTV survives much longer than most every other Google project, then I'm good with it.
 
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I don’t understand why anybody would pay for YouTube TV when it’s lower quality and more expensive than getting actual cable tv. Don’t forget there are free OTA broadcasts too. What is the incentive with YouTube?
I started with YouTube TV when it was under $40/month, but even after price hikes, it's still less than the package offered from my cable provider (especially now that I'm on fiber and don't get my internet from the local cable provider.) Cable wants a fee for every box, and an additional fee for every one that can do DVR. With my YTV setup, I'm good to go on my Roku or Chromecast devices (which I have anyway for other streaming services) and have unlimited "recording" that can hand-off to-from any device.

If only publisher lock-in wasn't a thing and they'd be able to actually offer a-la-carte, as I'd happily drop 75% of the channels if I could.
 
It makes since that YouTube got this. They already have a great TV package with the local stations in most areas.
 
People that enjoy football have no problem paying that. Compare that to the cost of going to a single game in person and you are saving a lot of money.
:rolleyes: That's not why people get it. Ask a football fan if they'd rather see their favorite team in-person or watch them on TV at home and you'll find almost no one that'd rather watch at home.

That's a really poor comparison. It's like saying that it's cheaper to buy a book about Paris than travel there and see it yourself.
 
:rolleyes: That's not why people get it. Ask a football fan if they'd rather see their favorite team in-person or watch them on TV at home and you'll find almost no one that'd rather watch at home.

That's a really poor comparison. It's like saying that it's cheaper to buy a book about Paris than travel there and see it yourself.
Not everyone can afford to go to paris or go to games all the time or even once therefore the Alternatives are better than nothing
 
I have YouTube TV and it’s pretty awful - 720p on many channels including ESPN in my area. We pay extra for 4K and that’s about 5 channels - quality is average to good.

Hoping they make all the games in 4K. I mean it is almost 2023, but the fact that I pay over $70/month and have to deal with 720p in 2022 is criminal.

I never thought I’d say this but I miss cable. Miss the all in one guide - so complicated to find everything these days with my 10+ video apps.
No MSG on YTTV? How do you watch the Rangers (noting your avatar)?
 
Too many Apple-fans believing this would have been a free addition. There is no way they'd have plopped down $2 billion per year and not added a big additional price to get it. Normally Sunday Ticket has been about $400 per year.
The article literally states that Apple wanted to roll this into Apple TV+. I presume it would have been a loss Apple was willing to take for more eyeballs.
 
I have YouTube TV and it’s pretty awful - 720p on many channels including ESPN in my area. We pay extra for 4K and that’s about 5 channels - quality is average to good.

Hoping they make all the games in 4K. I mean it is almost 2023, but the fact that I pay over $70/month and have to deal with 720p in 2022 is criminal.

I never thought I’d say this but I miss cable. Miss the all in one guide - so complicated to find everything these days with my 10+ video apps.
Not will happen soon because the local networks are not capable of broadcasting in 4K, and the networks want to keep their affiliates happy. Not to mention the cost for equipment by the networks for 4K cameras, etc, for 16 games a weekend. The SB has been the lone exception and when the thursday night game was on Fox.
 
Crazy money. Why do people pay so much to watch other people play sports? I'll never understand...

Why do people pay much more than this for a slightly faster phone than the one they already have... and then do it again within a year or two... and then again?

People want what they want. Had Apple forged this deal, there would be overwhelming gushing about the greatness of the NFL- the most popular of all sports in America- and the bargain of ST, even at $400-$500/yr. Since the deal didn't go, some of "us" now see no value in NFL at all, "it's a terrible sport", "how stupid the NFL is for not giving their valuable product away to further enrich Apple", etc, etc.

"We" were quite excited when the rumor was that Apple was interested in and then frontrunner for... only losing that enthusiasm once rumors started flipping away from Apple getting it. Now that "we" know, why would anyone want NFL, who would want to watch football, etc. Search back when "we" thought Apple was getting it: sentiment is very different than this thread. How quickly opinions of it can flip based only on the association.

NFL ST will bring a LOT of paying subscribers to YouTube. Those premium-spending subscribers could have been buying AppleTVs and/or fattening up the subscriber numbers of AppleTV+. Instead, they will simply add to the other players numbers. In the meantime, "we" can keep watching the same small number of things available on AppleTV+ and telling each other how much the extreme quality of Apple's own creations trumps all other content... just as we did with the same sequence of events when the prize was the entire MGM library, the entire FOX library, a few AAA Game Publishers, NFL Thursday Night Football, the Warner video library, etc. Same story plays out the same way over and over again.

NFL ST would have been HUGE for AppleTV+... exactly as it was for DirecTV when they were a tiny subscription service vs. the much bigger cable players at the time. Unfortunately, once again, Apple seemed to value this coveted, very-popular content like we seem to value anyone else's content (products, innovations, patents, etc). And NFL ST will draw all those new subscribers to someone else's service... just like MGM, FOX, Warner, NFL Thursday Night and so on. They will report dramatically growing video subscription numbers and revenue, and Apple will keep extending free trials and opting not to report subscriber numbers.
 
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As much as I like watching American football games, I have never once considered paying $300/seaosn to watch. rio me, that is ridiculous. But... One person's $300 is another person's $3,000. I am most definitely that latter someone. 🤪

While it would have been cool to bring NFL into The Ecosystem, it does seem a tad off-brand. As someone mentioned earlier, F1 seems more Apple (execs) than NFL.

After such an exciting World Cup (and easily the best championship match I've ever watched), I'm pumped for MLS on AppleTV. Have packages been released for MLS coverage or does it come bundled with AppleTV subscription fees?
 
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:rolleyes: That's not why people get it. Ask a football fan if they'd rather see their favorite team in-person or watch them on TV at home and you'll find almost no one that'd rather watch at home.

That's a really poor comparison. It's like saying that it's cheaper to buy a book about Paris than travel there and see it yourself.
Many fans live far from the team they like since most folks move many times during their lives. I try to catch two live games a year, but travel/hotel/ticket costs are high.
 
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