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I don’t think this had to do with an argument over making it an add-on cost or not. I get the feeling that the NFL is rigid and set in their ways, and they aren’t willing to try new approaches.

I’m sure Apple will now double down on promoting MLS.
 
Just like I predicted. And you know who lost out greatly in this deal? The NFL. Because Apple would have paid them the 3 billion dollars a year they wanted.
Unfortunately for the consumer, the NFL didn't want to bend to Apples demands (global rights, no buy up cost, etc.). This deal will ultimately be more profitable for the NFL, which is why they chose it over the deal Apple wanted. The NFL has never been about what the fans or even the players want. It is a business that exists to serve the interests of 32 billionaires.
 
If you want cable, get cable...
Our cable (actually fiber) provider told us that they were dropping the television service and suggested that we get DirectTV. No sale. We kept the fiber internet but switched to YouTubeTV for the TV+virtualDVR viewing. So far it has been better than the cable provider’s TV offering. Of course, like most cord cutting options, it is not any cheaper than the old cable+television service and we still have to pay for other streaming services. Oh, well…
 

With it being YouTube, I do however have an amusing mental image of towering NFL players stopping mid-game to encourage viewers to like and subscribe and pause for a moment to thank this game’s sponsors… and the fact that I only think this probably won’t really ever happen is kind of sad too…
This is YouTubeTV, not YouTube. Very different experience. Think more like old school cable programming but streamed.
 
Apple would have done this so much better than Google, but Google for sure can do it better than DirecTV
DirecTV had about 99% reliability -- I've had it for decades and I don't think I even missed much of a game.

I'm thinking my internet will be down more than DirecTV had problems. (I have XFinity -- yuck If my internet doesn't go down at last once a day, I consider myself very lucky. And before you ask, yes, it's the only broadband I can get with near Gb speeds.)

Anyway YouTube TV will have a new subscriber... Keeping my DirecTV though, it's reliable, period.
 
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Do yourself a favor and learn how to stream any game you want online. You're still watching somebody's commercials. Asking some people to pay extra for something other people get for free with commercials is just perverse. And for a blackout zone to go any further than 20 or 30 miles is also just greedy and gross.
No way am I going to stream it illegally.
 
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I have F1’s monthly service for $9.99 per month. It’s not a bad deal really.


I get the MLB package through T-Mobile for free.. otherwise its like $140/year, but with local blackouts...

I'm so glad I'm not an NFL fan. I can thank Bill Bidwell, owner of the St Louis Cardinals Football team for that. :)
 
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I wish they would ignore NFL which is primarily in the US, and go for global sports.

NFL has plenty of coverage in the US, but has very little interest outside the US.

They should focus on F1 (which has a 300% higher TV viewership than NFL), or major league football (aka soccer in the US).

They would get a ton more subscribers if they were able to stream those services. Not that I have any interest in football, I would love to see better streaming support for motorsports.

Yes to Formula 1 for AppleTV+. An exciting and actually quite sophisticated sport, truly international brand, high (in quantity;)) and rapidly growing viewership, excellent and experienced global punditry (thank you UK), and driver/owner relationship storylines better than any other sport. Plus, what a platform to expand CarPlay and other future Apple "mobility" offerings.
 
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I'm obviously in the minority here, but I have no idea why people think this is good news? I've already explained to co workers why. The biggest thing I keep seeing being repeated is "yeah but now it can be a stand alone service". I have had Sunday Ticket for 5 years or so, and never had Direct TV or their subscription. It was already a stand alone service and has been if you wanted it.

Google is also a company that constantly makes half assed software (long list). People don't use those services because they are half assed clones of other software or service as the current market leader. So, Google ends up not supporting them and quickly abandons them. They roll out so many platforms/services every year and 90% of them fail. I'm fully expecting a jankier UI and less features.

Also, Google is legit in the news every other month for being sued from various countries for collecting and selling our personal data. Google's motto is "do no evil" because they literally do evil **** lol. So, it's not a matter of if but when they will be sued for collecting and selling Sunday Ticket Subscribers personal data.

I also think the "stand alone service" part of it is temporary. I might be putting on my tin foil hat, but I do think after a few years they do attempt (not saying it will work or stay that way) to make Sunday Ticket exclusive to their YouTube TV subscriptions. I hope I'm wrong, but just basing this off their long track record.

This just isn't true. I have tried multiple years in a row to get Sunday Ticket stand alone, but because I can get directv at my house, they will not sell it to me standalone.

From their mouths. I need to be a college student or live in a location where directv is not offered. It also states this on their terms.
 
Think this might get embarrassing for Google’s YouTube TV service when the price gets unveiled. It’s going to be $64.99 per month plus whatever they decide the add on is going to be charged. I think it’s going to make DirectTV look like a bargain bin. Don’t think this is an embarrassing loss for Apple as it’s going to be painful to football fans.
Not really seeing as you don't need YouTube TV to get it "Starting next season, "Sunday Ticket" will be available as an add-on package on YouTube TV and standalone à la carte on YouTube Primetime Channels."
 
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I think this was the best possible outcome. makes it far more accessible to a far wider audience. Kudos to Youtube for thinking big.
 
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Ask a football fan if they'd rather see their favorite team in-person or watch them on TV at home and you'll find almost no one that'd rather watch at home.

Hate to disagree with you, but I'm a diehard Seahawks fan and at my age and stage of life, for $300, I'd much rather watch them for a whole season at home vs attending one single game.

I've been to loads of games over the years and for me it just works better and is more enjoyable for me to watch at home now.
 
RSNs are dead. Apple killed all of RSN deals for MLS teams, would not be surprised if something similar happens to MLB and NBA teams soon if Apple’s method is successful.
MLS is smallfry. They're testing the water. MLB makes WAY too much money from both national and RSN's to piss them off, and they have a streaming service already that they don't need a 3rd party for.
 
You have got to be kidding me!

They turned it down over a tech they claim to be working on yet has never materialized, and doesn't seem to have a market given Meta Oculus is barely surviving.

What a waste, and now it's gonna be an add-on for a service nobody uses.
 
I have F1’s monthly service for $9.99 per month. It’s not a bad deal really.
Where is that? I refuse to subscribe to Sky just for F1 (£70 minimum per month), and Spanish coverage is dire…. Alonso Sainz Alonso Hamilton Sainz Alonso Sainz Alonso Sainz Verstappen Alonso Sainz Alonso Alonso Sainz, etc….
 
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