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I note two things.
First, the chip is running at 1.1 Ghz.
Second, the chip is consuming 10 W.
Cool, but slow. Which CPU is this?
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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues
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I note two things.
First, the chip is running at 1.1 Ghz.
Second, the chip is consuming 10 W.
Cool, but slow. Which CPU is this?
Resale, futureproofing, workload overhead, and, “just because,” are all valid answers.
It would be interesting to have somebody test that theory.
Or how about a putting the i9 in a portable Mac Mini with great cooling and battery life, and using a thin new MacBook as the keyboard and monitor? I’d buy both immediately.
You've got that a bit wrong though. The blue line is the CPU and is running at/around 2.2Ghz, its base clock. The 1.1Ghz is the GPU. It's running at 10w because I'd terminated the test but I cropped that bit off at the right to reduced confusion, but I see how it looks misleading in this case.
>sysctl -n machdep.cpu.brand_string
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770HQ CPU @ 2.20GHz
Edit: Here's a better trace, including the short turbo period. Seems well behaved to me.
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Or, a little girl with an iPad is wondering why the old lady next door is calling her iPad a computer.
no.
the original video has 2017 quadcore and it outperforms the i9 due to throttling.
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They should've designed the cooling around it, or use a different chip (ryzen?), simple as that.
The AVX [not sure it is available on the i7 even yet] instruction set (which up until a version ago was only on Xeon) [which I think has to do with 512 bit floating point calculations] seems to be easy to cause throttling (not overly knowledgeable about that - apparently Adobe Premiere might use them if they are available). The iGPU typically takes up 50+% of the die space - so if you are a power user not worrying about power - you might be able to take that offline during peak CPU usage [might require a CPU microprocessor update to allow it], there is also a possibility that the fan profile could be updated which might provide extra airflow and help, then it might also be an early manufacturing process Thermal Paste issue (this happened before and was corrected early on in the production cycle). So as far as I can guess, might be the chance of software solutions... but all this is just theory.
Or the actual computing power could be right next to the laptop, in a MacMini with its own battery, tons of ports, a fan, big heat sink,
You called a guy who owns an iPhone X and says he “likes” Apple “anti-Apple” because he wrote something about his experience—and documented it with data—that doesn’t support your blind belief that Apple can do no wrong. You also made a factually incorrect statement about what he has and hasn’t posted and tested.
Talk about living in a bubble!
It's Intel's fault that Apple decided to make a "pro" machine so needlessly thin for aesthetics and subsequently not suitable to use "pro" hardware? Ok, whatever you say.
I'm not even trying to be smart here. But I appreciate the compliment.
You should do more with your computer(s) i.e. look at Activity Monitor / Task Manager / "top" when you're running apps. The monitor literally tells you how many cores you have running and what % they are running.
I have seen nothing about the fan speed -- but on the iMac Pro it is very very laid back about engaging fans until it is nearing the peak... (94C). This is something Apple would do... the question is did they and did they go to far.
Are you not getting this? It tells you at that moment. My point is, unless you have reporting that tells you what % you are using for the entire time you're on the computer, this kind of nonsense is irrelevant.
I don't think we've established that it doesn't.
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Porsche is German, which literally has the best engineering of any car in the world. I was hoping no one would be smart enough to reference Porsche, but those things are tanks.But if you buy a real car, say a Porsche 911 Turbo S, you can launch it 50 times in a row, with no overheating, no limp mode engaged, no degradation of performance. I worked for Porsche for 6 years, and while I admit to being bias towards them, they back up their engineering by delivering consistently high performing, highly reliable cars (check JD Power and Consumer Reports for the last several years).
Maybe it’s time Apple involve Porsche Design and Engineering over.
-From a BMW driver. I have an M5.
The Nissan GTR also cannot launch multiple times.
What you're saying is Apple has set the upper limit on fan speed to be insufficient to provide the necessary, assuming it's capable of doing so, cooling capacity under heavy load?
My understanding is that the no quibble 14 day return is as per UK Consumer Rights Act 2015, and refers to unopened and unused products. In other words, unless the machine was not as described, or was faulty, Apple has no obligation (or promise) to provide you with a full refund.
See: https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-rights-act
I am saying there are possibilities... but since I don't have one and cannot test the hardware to see if the fan has more room. They did do some slight throttling on the iMac Pro early on while the fans were still so quiet as to not be audible.... i.e. they had lots of room to power up.
Right but it's further pronounced through the MacBook Pro because apple designs their laptops to run hot. The fact that it can't handle base clock speed is pretty abysmal. The fact that last years model actually complete's projects faster due to not throttling is even worse.
The Apple guarantee is better... you can open it you can use it... and they sold it (assuming you bought it from Apple - not sure about other retail) with that as part of the contract. Apple typically would just take those, refurb them (clean, box and put new cable in the box) and sell for a 15% discount.
Not really.
Apple didn’t get to become the company with the world's second largest market capitalization because it listened to people like you.
And you didn’t answer my question. If Apple is not supposed to judge its success based on profit and finances, then what do YOU think the standard should be?