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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues
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Tried to spec a 2.2 and it was $100 cheaper than the 2.6. So not much of a savings but its really the only option since the 2.6 can't handle its own weight.
Why not? They may not be the fastest option but they should be capable of performing occasional processor intensive work.
Your system's design was already an issue! Keep in mid it's the retina models that where using the first thiner design. If it was still using the older Unibody design then Apple would have had the space to put in better cooling.
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I actually think the best hardware Apple has recently put out is their iOS products, namely the iPhone X and iPad Pros. These are fantastic devices. Apple’s screw ups in their Mac lineup over the last several years appears to demonstrate their lack of commitment to Mac and their full commitment to iOS powered devices. I don’t understand other than greed why they’ve not been capable of managing both areas.
If you are buying, maybe wait a bit to see how this pans out. $100 isn't a lot (relative to the cost of the machine) and you're still getting an increase, just probably not as much as appears on paper. I hope you're not basing your purchasing decision on my previous comment!
No argument there, its quite possible he got a bad unit.
I wouldn’t go that far. I got my MacBook Pro to replace a 2014 5k iMac. It really doesn’t throttle too much... but the chasis was also made with the 6th and 7th gen Intel chips in mind... what they did was basically slapping a 1080 in a lg gram. You can’t just take any chasis
And throw anything in it
Just because the Pro's wanted more RAM and still more CPU power doesn't put the blame on Pro's on the implementation of the system!
Apple knew upfront what they where going to use the system for as such they take the blame here!
Don't blame the wishers here.
If you are buying, maybe wait a bit to see how this pans out. $100 isn't a lot (relative to the cost of the machine) and you're still getting an increase in performance, just not as much as it appears on paper. I hope you're not basing your purchasing decision on my previous comment!
No I'm not. I actually bought the 2015 model instead. I knew these new ones couldn't handle the heat plus I hate the 2016-present keyboards and lack of ports. I always order the outgoing model when it's discontinued. Bugs worked out etc. I got the 2.8ghz 1tb 2015 model coming today as well. The thing about the 2015 models I like is that it has not discrete graphics card. That has always been a problem for apple. No discrete graphics card means it will last longer. I've been down that road before with my 2012 model and I refuse to live the dongle life.
Possible but I think unlikely given what we've seen in Windows Land and what we know about this latest generation of MacBook Pro and their cooling system. It was kind of predicted and it's really the extent or severity of throttling that's the surprise.
Having millions of subscribers does not equate to credibility and knowledge on a certain topic.
This is an engineering issue - you're packing power into a small frame and not allowing the heat that's generated to dissipate well. It's a very simple issue. It is also a problem that happens in extreme conditions so it's a very simulated scenario. No one's gonna be putting their laptop in the freezer, but also if people are pushing capabilities to the maximum then they will make sure they allow for good ventilation etc.
As a publicly traded company with shareholders to answer to, how else is Apple management supposed to judge their success?
Do you people even think before posting drivel like this?
Yeah, I think the take away here and the reason it's getting so much attention now is that the i9 can't even run at it's base clock. That is the problem. Most laptops can't run the max turbo but they can get some turbo. Not running the base clock frequency is a major problem on multiple levels. The fact they charge extra for the i9 and you don't get the speed rating is not good. It would be a different story if the i9 could only turbo to 3.2ghz or something but to not run at it's base speed is sad.
Agreed. I trolled Apple support forums last night and there was nothing on this.
Don’t forget, people my age (anybody under 30) are generally whiny and jump to conclusions without thoroughly testing and verifying their hypothesis.
what does this have to do with anything? when CPU gets overloaded, it throttles, and gives you a dropout.
The high end processor for both the 2017 and 2018 MBP are rated at 45 watts. However the 2017 high end processor also has something called "Configurable TDP Down". Perhaps Apple did so with the 2017 model (though their technical spec page lists the 45 watt rated speeds)
I don't see why anyone would be surprised by this. We've been pushing ultrabooks way too far, especially with this last generation. Apple is far from the only guilty party. Microsoft hit the sweet spot with the Surfacebook 2, separating the GPU and CPU, and sticking with Kaby Lake R.
I recently tried an Alienware 15" R4 with the new hex core and 1070. It handled the heat surprisingly well but weighed like 7.5 lbs. Ended up being too much laptop for me. Settled on a Thinkpad P52 with the i7 8750H and Quadro P1000 (~GTX1050 performance). It is thicc enough to handle the heat, but sticc enough to not be a total tank. Solid as a brick too.
I recently tried an Alienware 15" R4 with the new hex core and 1070. It handled the heat surprisingly well but weighed like 7.5 lbs. Ended up being too much laptop for me. Settled on a Thinkpad P52 with the i7 8750H and Quadro P1000 (~GTX1050 performance). It is thicc enough to handle the heat, but sticc enough to not be a total tank. Solid as a brick too.
I will raise my concern flags when the i9 overheats with native applications.
I take these reports with a grain of salt, because like the poor performance in battery life with my ‘16, which was fixed with an update, I’m sure poor cooling will be fixed through an update as well.
At the end of the day, there is not enough evidence or imperical data to say this is a major problem. From all the videos I watched, not one person said their fan speed was 100% upon overheating.
Also, I was addressing concern involving Logic Pro. It’s audio for goodness sake. I’ve never used 80% of processing power, even with 50 tracks, 100+ instances, and countless automations.
You got a great deal for $1800. Where did you get all that for $1800? I made a mistake by buying the 1920x1080 screen which is horrible. You have to keep scrolling all the time to read or see anything in screen. I see more on my iPad Pro lol..
I am charging my X1 now with the lid closed and I can hear the fan running on full blast. Never had that issue with the MacBook Pro
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https://ark.intel.com/compare/97462,134903
All 4-core i7s from previous gen are 45W
https://ark.intel.com/products/series/95544/7th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors
(previous gen were 7700HQ, 7820HK and 7920HQ)
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sorry, i7s can be nerfed to 35W. dunno if apple did that or not
But if you buy a real car, say a Porsche 911 Turbo S, you can launch it 50 times in a row, with no overheating, no limp mode engaged, no degradation of performance. I worked for Porsche for 6 years, and while I admit to being bias towards them, they back up their engineering by delivering consistently high performing, highly reliable cars (check JD Power and Consumer Reports for the last several years).
Maybe it’s time Apple involve Porsche Design and Engineering over.