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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues

IllIllIll said:
Pretty much this, except I would modify your second sentence to say "Apple cares less about properly cooling their machines than they do about making a profit and keeping their stockholders happy." And at present, that's exactly what they're doing.

It's pretty much guaranteed that until the whiners start backing up their complaints in droves by NOT buying Apple products, nothing's going to change. Complaining while still giving money to Apple achieves nothing. And if you're one of those people who's butt hurt because others are still buying Apple products that aren't an ideal fit for YOUR needs, too bad - obviously you're in the minority.
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I would also modify your statement to clarify that Apple is not making a huge profit, if any, off of their PCs. The iPhone and services related to it are the only major profit drivers for Apple. Apple is the 4th largest computer manufacturer. However, that is not saying much as the top 3 (HP, Lenovo, and Dell) also sell large numbers of high end computers, and they sell 2-3 times as many computers overall as Apple does.

Also, "making a profit and keeping .... stockholders happy" is hard to do when you can't keep your existing customers (because you are screwing them over) and you can't attract new customers because your products have become bad jokes. IMO, Apple needs to focus on making a good products first, then stockholders will be happy as the brand regains its past glory.
 
zshane1125 said:
Unreal engine tests results...

look out for the spikes.

Conclusion: when i9 is under heavy load, it throttles HARD, and in my case, can only maintain an avg clock speed of ~2.4ghz, 0.5ghz below the base 2.9ghz

Start up

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Test 1 Production Lighting rendering, SL 1.0

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Test 2 Production Lighting rendering, SL 0.1

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Spike at the end

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So you paid $300 extra for a 2.9Ghz CPU with 4.8Ghz turbo that runs at well below its rated base clock and pretty much 100C constantly.

That makes me angry, so I'm sure you can't be happy. I was genuinely excited about this generation of MacBook Pro and was planning to move from my 2016 13" to a 15" mainly just for the larger screen.

Now I'm thinking not.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-n...nd-clearly-beaten-by-the-XPS-15.317264.0.html

This is … not good.
 
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Populus said:
This is a good scenario to try a thermal paste replacement. Maybe a liquid metal solution, being careful.
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Yeah I'm sure I could drop the temps fine if this is a normal delidded laptop CPU or. Delid it. Jesus. Ain't hard. Thermal grizzly conductonaught is what I use on all my laptops. Or any gallium based liquid metallic thermal paste
 
shockey` said:
Yeah I'm sure I could drop the temps fine if this is a normal delidded laptop CPU or. Delid it. Jesus. Ain't hard. Thermal grizzly conductonaught is what I use on all my laptops. Or any gallium based liquid metallic thermal paste
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*Know what you're doing*
 
zshane1125 said:
Unreal engine tests results...

look out for the spikes.

Conclusion: when i9 is under heavy load, it throttles HARD, and in my case, can only maintain an avg clock speed of ~2.4ghz, 0.5ghz below the base 2.9ghz
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Thank You for this. I don't know how many here will appreciate You duplicating the results of the video that started this thread with Your own expensive rig...but some of us will be extremely grateful. Thank You again.
 
StudioSanctum said:
The one who clearly has a major issue with reading comprehension who comes on a forum to single out one person and continue to banter. You haven’t called me out because you have no point. You’re just looking to get a rise out of someone and attack someone because you’re a sad individual. What’s even more sad is that you aren’t getting a rise out of me at all. I actually feel sorry for you if this is your entertainment. I have to just keep laughing at you. So really you’re just providing comic relief and entertainment. I guess I should thank you for the laughs. So, thank you!
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Heh, yeah, OK. Come back when you can actually defend your decision to not bless Apple with your sage wisdom that *nobody* else thought of. Instead, you take the coward's way out by calling anyone who dares to challenge your big talk a troll. So be it.
 
IllIllIll said:
Why haven't you applied for the job?
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That's a ******** statement. Now you have to be a computing engineer AND WORK for Apple to point out flaws in their design? Do you need to be an automotive engineer to complain about the crappy performance of a car, or an aerospace engineer to complain about cramp seats in a passenger jet? I just want to know how far you plan to take this madness..
 
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kodos said:
AppleInsider -- you know, those famous Apple haters...

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Wow. That's brutal. Apple is charging an extra $400 to replace a crippled, throttled i7 CPU with an even more crippled, throttled i9 CPU, both of which perform similarly (poorly) and neither of which perform anywhere near their base ratings, let alone turbo potentials.

I've been accused many times of being an Apple fanboy. And that's probably even sort of true. But this is the first time I've ever wanted to see Apple get sued and lose. This is just beyond unacceptable. It's a straight-up ripoff. How in the heck could these machines have made it into production without someone asking, "Shouldn't this 2.9Ghz CPU with a 4.8Ghz turbo clock run faster than 2.2 - 2.6Ghz without hitting 100C and choking?"
 
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Yea dozens of members and youtubers and tech reviewers have come to the same conclusion: thermal thorttling is a serious issue in the i9 15” 2018
 
Evangeline said:
I'm not sure what other choices they had honestly. Between us pushing them for pro performance & faster upgrade cycles and Intel giving them a hot potato for a CPU, they did their best.

They could have upgraded the cooling system a bit though, I dunno, make it out of copper or make it bigger or something. Just a little bit, to let us know they care, you know?
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They could have redesigned the chassis. Razer makes thin and powerful gaming laptops with proper thermals and ASUS makes the ROG Zephyrus, which is also thin and powerful. Both use powerful Intel chips and powerful Nvidia GPUs.
 
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shockey` said:
Yes. The ****ing die that you stick thermal paste on is really easy to get to LoL.
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Or if it is by some odd way lidded. I can delid it just fine. You're talking to someone who does PC stuff for a living and why I said don't if you don't know wtf you're doing.
 
Frank Dalton said:
Whining about alleged whining doesn't make you any better. Also, the issues we are discussing are failures of leadership and product management, not engineering.
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Never said I was any better, nor am I whining. Pointing out flaws and issues without taking a proactive stance is whining. You don’t even have to work for Apple to do something about it. Speak with your wallet. Stop being Apple's customer. A decrease in revenue will send a message much better than simply being a whiny, snarky ***** on an Internet forum. But then again, it sounds to me that most of you don’t have enough backbone to do such a thing.
 
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wegface said:
Apple always keeps fans as slow as possible until cpu is already too hot to cool down quickly once they spin up. SMC fan control should always be installed to change the insane defaults. But no surprise if the i9 is too much bang in such a thin laptop.
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Well this is the same company that convinced its (somewhat idiotic) customers a few years back that fan noise was such a major problem on laptops that fans needed to be removed. That didn't work out well for them, so they halted that idiotic experiment and replaced it with smaller fans that don't come on as much by default.

Before someone takes offense to my "idiotic" customers statement, think about this for a minute -- how in the heck did someone let a company convince them that a fan on a desktop/laptop CPU was bad idea? What's next? Are you going to let someone convince you that brakes on an automobile is a bad idea because they sometimes squeak and you need to just coast to a stop?
 
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k4ever said:
They could have redesigned the chassis. Razer makes thin and powerful gaming laptops with proper thermals and ASUS makes the ROG Zephyrus, which is also thin and powerful. Both use powerful Intel chips and powerful Nvidia GPUs.
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Apple only updates the chassis design every 4 years.

I can't wait for 2020 honestly, all new design, ditching Intel and AMD and all these scrubs, Apple CPU, Apple GPU, possibly OLED screen... that thing's gonna be the bomb!
 
The form over function mentality caused by Tim giving Jony the power to oversee everything from hardware to engineering to software design has started to bite them at the back.
 
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