Or rather, Apple is unwilling to design their products around intel’s chip specs.
Either way, one has to give way eventually.
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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues
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Or rather, Apple is unwilling to design their products around intel’s chip specs.
Either way, one has to give way eventually.
Nobody forced them to use intel. And somehow other manufacturers don’t have such problems with keeping their intel laptops up to date... Without even asking for royal prices
And what is the logic in that? In that case Apple is still using the i9 wrong. Why should the customer who spends thousands of dollars be the victim of that? Stop making excuses for a bad cooling design.
i9 caught everyone by surprise tho, don't be unreasonable. Apple shouldn't have put it in a laptop that wasn't designed for such a chip, but comparable to other mobile top of the line chips of previous generations, i9 is running hot.
and apple is not the only one having issues with it (although they seem to have the MOST issues with it.)
I'm not defending apple in anyway, but I'm not trying to defend Intel either. I'm skipping this gen although i was ready with my wallet open to buy it.
First of all this should be read in context of my response to Abazigal who is blaming only Intel and indemnifying Apple.
The MacBook pro is the only one having severe problems with the i9 like performing consistently under base clock speed when under load. The i7 version even does better. I don't think I am unreasonable if I call that a cooling design flaw. By the way, you are confirming everything I stated. Does that make you unreasonable too?
Apple with billions to spend on D&R should not have been caught by surprise and should have spotted this flaw before bringing this device on the market.
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Of course its a cooling design flaw. They shouldn't have used the i9 and should've either used AMD, developed their own chip or designed cooling around the hexa-cores.
The release is rushed and under-engineered.
I agree with everything you said, but am also disappointed with Intel just as much as with Apple.
edit: Actually no. I'm much more frustrated with apple.
They could get a nerfed chip from Intel, under-volted it, beefed up the cooling (if they had time to shave off nanometers from the chassis to accommodate a bigger battery, they had time to design a better cooling), or just plain and stupid not use it.
If you read my earlier response, although it is ultimately Apple’s decision to use said processor, I hold both of them responsible. And I maintain that this debacle will simply strengthen Apple’s resolve to migrate the Mac to ARM.
People thinking that Apple will suddenly make a 180 degree turn and make thicker laptops clearly don’t understand Apple very well.
Well... maybe Apple shouldn't have made them so thin in the first place.
That's the most frustrating part of this. Right now... ALL of Apple's laptops are thin. Not just the consumer models... this has affected the supposed "pro" models too.
Macbook - THIN
Macbook Air - THIN
Macbook Pro 13" - THIN
Macbook Pro 15" - THIN
In the old days... the Macbook Air was a nice addition to the lineup when the Macbook Pro was thicker and heavier with a spinning hard drive and DVD drive.
But now the entire lineup is anorexic!
You're right though... Apple doesn't usually reverse their judgement. But it's nice to dream.
This thread is about the severe throttling of the i9. Not about people who think Apple should make thicker laptops. Why pulling that argument into the equation? Your premise does not seem quite on point here.
You also make quite a generalization about 'people' and how people understand things. Actually you are implying that you understand Apple perfectly and other people don't. In reality you are just as much speculating and guessing as anybody else.
You can always state an opinion but claiming that you understand Apple and others don't certainly does not make a strong argument (in my opinion).
You can always state an opinion but claiming that you understand Apple and others don't certainly does not make a strong argument (in my opinion
).Well... maybe Apple shouldn't have made them so thin in the first place.
That's the most frustrating part of this. Right now... ALL of Apple's laptops are thin. Not just the consumer models... this has affected the supposed "pro" models too.
Macbook - THIN
Macbook Air - THIN
Macbook Pro 13" - THIN
Macbook Pro 15" - THIN
In the old days... the Macbook Air was a nice addition to the lineup when the Macbook Pro was thicker and heavier with a spinning hard drive and DVD drive.
But now the entire lineup is anorexic!
You're right though... Apple doesn't usually reverse their judgement. But it's nice to dream.
Which begs the question - in their never-ending quest to make their devices thinner and lighter, what’s next on the chopping board???
Intel is responsible for their chip delays and current lineup running hot. Which has absolutely nothing to do with Apple incapable designing around that. They knew that. They knew about DDR4 and designed the chassis so it accommodates a bigger battery.
They could make the battery take a hit and use new space for better cooling, which would fit a top of the line pro machine much more than 30mins of battery.
They made their choices, and they were bad, and should be held accountable for it.
But they are more than happy to advertise and market the specs. And of course, charge a premium for it.
If part of the "cooling design flaw" is having a chassis insufficiently large enough to allow for adequate cooling (fans, heat sinks, airflow, etc.), then the thinness of the MBP is a factor to be considered.
I completely agree that thickness/thinness is certainly a part of it.
The person I was responding to was claiming: "People thinking that Apple will suddenly make a 180 degree turn and make thicker laptops clearly don’t understand Apple very well.". In that context my reaction should be read.
I don't know if that would be beneficial. Probably the newest i7 (6 core) Macbook pro model would still be faster:
http://www.hwcompare.com/cpu/c/Core-i9-8950HK-vs-Ryzen-7-Pro-2700U
I wonder at what effective TDP those results are achieved tho. Specs for Ryzen 7 is 12-25 TDP, and specs for i9 is 45W TDP (but we know by now this is to barely run it at base speeds).
Just wondering if the lower TDP would mean better performance due to better cooling, and theoretically more sustainable running at turbo speeds.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Core-i9-8950HK-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-PRO-2700U/3246vs3258
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http://hwbench.com/cpus/intel-core-i9-8950hk-vs-amd-ryzen-7-2700u
lol, old reports on i9 claim TDP of 95W.
sounds about right
You're kinda right but... it took everybody by surprise because everybody stayed on schedule and updated their product line. Apple on the other hand took their sweet time, late to the party as always, yet still they didn't learn ANYTHING from their competition. In fact, the made it even worse... now that is an achievement!
I mean.. they had no option anyways. They knew their thermal design wouldn't hold up, yet frustration with Mac users would become bigger and bigger every day. Together with the keyboard issues, they had to act, they bit the bullet. That they still decided to put an i9 in there is astounding though. I mean, in an ideal world they could just improve their thermal paste, use underclocking, etc... but Apple doesn't give a ****.
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So increased cooling via a firmware update would potentially help with the issue (not solve).
Of course it would make the system louder during rendering or exporting a project for example, but that wouldn't bother me TBH....
Would really like for Apple to acknowledge this and respond, but we all know that isn't gonna happen!
Of course it would make the system louder during rendering or exporting a project for example, but that wouldn't bother me TBH....
Would really like for Apple to acknowledge this and respond, but we all know that isn't gonna happen!
I've been heavily testing the 2017 HQ. Alittle throttling when under load but on average it doesn't drop below the base clock speed. My average all core speed was 3.5ghz at 72 Celsius.
Cant help escape that In my conclusion and many here, thinness has resulted in the cooling problem.
I think it comes back to the Pro MacBook v non Pro. Make the pro more ports, thicker, better cooling and keep the MacBook as the light, lower power machine which is fine for most users.
Cant help escape that In my conclusion and many here, thinness has resulted in the cooling problem.
I think it comes back to the Pro MacBook v non Pro. Make the pro more ports, thicker, better cooling and keep the MacBook as the light, lower power machine which is fine for most users.
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