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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues
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A lot of people like to exaggerate or make up stories, best just to ignore them.
Maybe I filter based on hyperbole, but I don't remember anyone stating that the MacBook Pro 2018 is the most powerful laptop in the world...
Mac laptops are the 'best' for me personally (enterprise development mostly bank/brokerage related - Linux/AIX server; and macOS is UNIX so it is the best for me when it comes to balancing just working with the environment being 'nix). In the end, it is what works for you, not what works for someone else that really matters. I also find it the best platform to do development on (as long as you are not using Windows native stuff). I will try everything and have tried many things (DOS, CP/M, AIX, Coherent, Solaris on a Sparc 5 workstation I had, Linux, OS/2, MacOS (classic) [used for a specific customer]). I do have a Windows license, tried Windows 10 - but it is 'boxed' and not in current use.
Yeah, it just gets kind of hard to ignore when the people exaggerating work at what are looked upon as reputable websites. I don't mind people mentioning how fast an Apple product is or how much power it has as long as that they use the proper caveats.
You can say that the Macbook Pro has the fastest DEFAULT SSD in a production laptop. However, there are 3rd party SSDs for competing laptops that are faster, cheaper, and upgradeable. A user of a competing laptop may need to spend a few hours migrating data to one of these 3rd party SSDs or pay a computer shop, so they need to decide whether or not the cost savings is worth the time spent.
You can also say that the Macbook Pro is one of the fastest laptops made specifically for VIDEO AND AUDIO EDITING PROFESSIONALS who use Final Cut Pro. People in other professions will almost allows benefit more by buying a Windows laptop, since most professional software is made for and optimized for Windows. For users of Adobe Premiere and DaVinci Resolve, the chose of Mac vs Windows comes down to price and configuration.
When caveats aren't used, that person or website is being dishonest with the reader.
Just like you think most professionals will benefit from buying Windows, others think most professionals would be better off with Macs.
Who’s right? People have different opinions, those who disagree with you can be just as emotionally invested in “proving” their opinion is correct as are you.
Who’s right? People have different opinions, those who disagree with you can be just as emotionally invested in “proving” their opinion is correct as are you.
Yeah, here are some examples of the hyperbole:
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/13/2018-macbook-pro-fastest-laptop-ssd-ever/
There should have been a caveat for fastest 1st party SSD in a laptop. There are 3rd party SSDs already available to Windows machines that are faster. Also, notice they don't say which Core-i7 processor the 13 inch Macbook Pro is using vs the competition. If you purchased a 13 inch Windows laptop with the same processor would the 13 inch Macbook Pro still be faster? They also don't tell you that the source of the benchmarks they quoted (Laptop Magazine) gave the 2018 Dell XPS 13 4 1/2 stars and an Editor's Choice Award, yet only gave the 2018 13 inch Macbook Pro 3 1/2 stars and no award. In other words, they cherry-picked results and doctored the title to make it seem like the source was saying that the 13 inch Macbook Pro was better overall than the competition.
https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/dell-xps-13
https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/macbook-pro-13-inch-with-touch-bar
And that's just this website. There are others who do the exact same thing. It is unnecessary (because most of you will still by the Macbook Pro anyway) and dishonest.
I can understand why some Mac owners here believe their devices are faster or more powerful than the competition -- they are constantly fed (mis) information without a proper filter.
If you are doing major amounts (not just occasional) Video and Audio Editing ... I would argue that talking about laptops is sort of moot... The biggest single issue that caused these professionals to migrate off of Macs... was the Mac Pro debacle... and those that I know personally that chose this route went with HP workstation class machines (i.e. higher up the food chain than even the highest Mac Pro ever went). Even if you are doing it away from the studio you can put full workstation class machines in a truck.
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The reason for the speed in the MacBook is the controller chip (T2) is basically a RAID controller striping across multiple SSDs. I would not consider focusing on just the SSD to be much of a hyperbole. Talking about the whole laptop as the fastest I would. You say you can just go out and buy a 3rd party SSD and stick it in an existing laptop and it will just be the fastest. First, if not a tech company, companies don't generally go about buying computers and opening them up to upgrade on a component by component basis... typically they buy solutions. There is no guarantee that even if the SSD were spec'd as the fastest that it would - it would depend on many things - including the controller built into the laptop. Does the laptop allow you to stick two M.2 sticks in and configure them as a striped raid.
Understand that when you build an SSD directly onto the motherboard you are limited to how you design it. Adding one through M.2 you are limited by the PCIe 4 lane interface. You also have to look at real world usage patterns for the SSDs, the spec's tend to focus on what looks the best -- i.e. sequential reads and writes.
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Opinions only matter when we are talking about personal use or wants. Professional use is not based on opinion -- it is based on exactly what that profession needs. There are only a handful of professions that benefit solely from the use of a Mac. Almost all of those professions are centered around audio and video editing. The vast majority of other professions benefit more (in cost and compatibility) with using a Windows PC.
Emotions should be left for personal use only. Facts and analysis should be the only driving factors for deciding what is best for professional use.
Objection! Lack of foundation... and a little hyperbolic. Without going profession by profession -- and for that matter function by function... and sizing up options available on both platforms and pluses and minuses ... you are just bloviating ... I am not saying it is the case or is not the case, just that unless you are intimately involved in each industry and what is available (often many custom software options - that outsiders would not know about)... It is in direct contradiction of your statement that "facts and analysis" should be the only driving factors. The truth is that all software has strengths and weaknesses - so even when comparing two of them - two different logical outcomes are possible based on what you need and of course a cost/benefit analysis of both.
There are many industries where the use of a PC was to be quite honest a very bad fit since they would not be "desk jobs" - an area that iPads have a foothold in. (i.e. iPads in cockpits the most obvious example). I have also seen custom cash register software using an iPad and a cash box...
You're overheating. Maybe Apple can release a patch to go over your mouth to cool you down.
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Yes, I can easily say Apple isn't innovating since most people don't do their work on an iPad or Apple Watch. We use laptops and desktops, and Apple has fallen way behind in the business area. That is significant for a company with oodles of talented personnel and hundreds of billions in the bank. Apple is harvesting the low hanging fruit and other companies are eating Apple's lunch when it comes to useful hardware for business needs. Face it, Apple is losing in innovation!
First, did you not read the part where the 2018 XPS 13 was given 4 1/2 stars and an Editor's Choice Award, while the 2018 13 inch MBP was only given 3 1/2 stars and no award? That was based on a "whole laptop" analysis, which this site failed to mention.
Second, some large organizations do buy computers and add upgraded components or contract the upgrade of those components out. The organization I just retired from did that all the time. They also wiped all of the laptops they received, then used the exact same ghost image of Windows -- regardless of what version of Windows the laptop original came with. They did the same with some Apple devices. They contracted out iPhones, then bought cases that added extra protection to the iPhone while changing the lightning ports to micro-USB.
Third, no one takes the manufacturer's word on exactly how fast a SSD is. Most tech sites (like Tom's Hardware) will benchmarks the read and write speeds for SSD and share the averages with the public.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/how-we-test-storage,4058.html#p1
You keep mentioning the SSD controller chip and that it is "built into the laptop." This is confusing me because, from my understand, the controller chip is normally built into the SSD itself.
https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/samsung-960-pro-512-gib-ssd-review/2/
Motherboards in Windows computers have a connector that the SSD is attached to, and this interfaces with the rest of the system through a standard such as SATA or PCIe. As long as the interfaces in each Windows laptop follow the same standard, SSD performance should be the same in those laptops.
Yes, some Windows laptops have multiple M.2 slots and a mix of M.2 slots and SATA slots. Yes, you should be able to set them in RAID 0.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Laptop/AERO-15X--i7-8750H#kf
https://www.techradar.com/how-to/ho...id-0-using-windows-10s-storage-spaces-feature
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I don't have the time to go "profession by profession", do you? Plus, I'm afraid that if I do, I will probably miss someone, so in this instance a little "hyperbole" is warranted in order to save time. A quicker way to conduct this analysis without polling ever single professional is to look at total operating system usage across enterprise end-point devices. Of course, an (safe) assumption will need to be made that each business is using the operating system it needs. Here is a breakdown of this information worldwide from 2017:
https://www.statista.com/statistics...prise-endpoint-operating-system-distribution/
As you can see Windows is being used in almost 3 times as many professional settings as MacOS, and twice as many as both MacOS and iOS combined. BTW, the iOS devices listed should account for the iPad's various uses as well as iPhones used as point-of-sales devices.
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I doubt the windows notebooks with dual M.2 slots even have the bandwidth to have both slots pushing 4x lanes at the same time, so RAID0 would be a waste.
I think you are missing the point. Most of us are interested in the Macbook Pro or Macs in general. They are a darn sexy machines. However, Apple needs to fix a lot of things on them to justify the price. That being said, if you have no issues with the price and you want or need a Mac, by all means go out and buy it. It's your money.This thread is a damn sewer. How insecure do you have to be to spend hours of your life telling people who want or like something how wrong they are to do so, when you’re not even interested in it yourself. Jesus
Where this thread devolves (at least for me) is when people start making up facts. That's uncalled for and totally unnecessary. For example, I love Linux and have used it exclusively as my desktop operating system for over 20 years. I dislike Windows. However, you will NEVER hear me say or see me post that Linux has more games than Windows. I would never say that Linux is used by more people than Windows. I definitely wouldn't say that Linux does everything right and Windows does everything wrong. None of that is not true. When something is broke on Linux, I acknowledge it (and actually try to work with the developers to get it fix). I certainly don't blame it on everyone else but the Linux community.
You don't need to lie about the performance, price, or issues with Macs or MacOS to like the platform.
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I don't know if there is any drop in performance when setting up the dual M.2 RAID0. It's offered as a configuration option by some vendors who sale the Aero 15X and as the default for some Acer gaming laptops. You would think that they would warn you if it there will be a performance drop, or maybe they think that a performance drop is worth it for the peace of mind.
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/7ekgjd/customizing_gigabyte_aero_15x_laptop/
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-...080-Max-Q-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.251794.0.html
On the desktop side with Z370, SATA, USB, Ethernet, M.2, sound.. even some PCIE slots all get bottlenecked down to DMI3 to get to the CPU. DMI3 is basically 4X PCIE lanes.
I doubt the situation is any better on the mobile side.
Yes, please do set aside emotion and opinion. If you are willing to spend a few minutes reading, you might find the links below interesting.
IBM says Macs save up to $543 per user
https://www.cio.com/article/3133945/hardware/ibm-says-macs-save-up-to-543-per-user.html
Total cost of ownership: Mac versus PC in the enterprise
https://www.jamf.com/blog/total-cost-of-ownership-mac-versus-pc-in-the-enterprise/
This is enterprise though. Having worked for large IT consulting firms in the past, it was very easy to "brick" your PC compared to Macs. With Macs, it's less prone to issues for the less experienced. Depending on your job, I do think the 13" MBP is suitable for most occupations and can be passed from 1 employee to another for at least a few years at a time.
Also, JAMF is an exclusive Mac management software, so there is some bias there in that article. Corporate installed that on my current laptop, and it was causing all kinds of issues until I sudo removed it
Some smartass cappuchino-bar Pro using an iPad/iOS calculator sold himself to Tim as a thermal engineer...
I read this same IBM article two years ago before circumstances caused me to turn completely away from Apple. Until more businesses start to do their own assessments and you start to see more deployments of Macs vs PCs based on those assessments, you have to take the article with a grain of salt. If you noticed, the article speaks about the total cost of ownership of Macs vs PCs as they are deployed at IBM. The article states that PCs are cheaper to purchase than Macs, but the cost of the software that Microsoft requires IBM (and other large firms with IT departments) to manage PCs is more than what Apple (currently) charges to manage Macs. That's true, at least as of the time of the article. No debating that. Also at the time Apple was making some gains at schools and in the cockpit for aircraft, especially with iPads.
Sigh.. so here we go. Like I mentioned, you have to take these articles with a grain of salt. It is not the same for every business. It can actually cost A LOT MORE to move from PC to Mac if your business has PCs that rely on specific software that is unavailable for the Mac. I shared these articles and others with my old roommate, as well as my experience with most of my executives who were excited about and wanted to use iPads. My roommate worked in the "IT department" for one of our sister organizations. He was also a big fan of Apple. His organization and my old organization, both larger than IBM for personnel and computer deployments, had conducted an internal study on the use of Macs and iPads and found that it would cost us more to deploy and utilize Macs. Large deployments of iPads were out of the question. There was no way to properly secure them and they were not as robust as our organizations needed. Before I left, we had an incident where we deployed a small amount of iPads to some of our pilots. A large amount of them were broken and a few came up missing. Apple had made some gains in our organization. We replaced some of our Blackberries with iPhones but we faced more resistance to the idea than what was originally imagined. I loved the Blackberry, but I gave the iPhone back and used my personal phone. I wasn't the only one.
School deployments haven't been going well for Apple either, especially after the LAUSD iPad fiasco. It turns out that Chromebooks are better for most schools.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/201...l-a-school-ipad-scandal-what-you-need-to-know
Sorry this is long on anecdote, but I will leave you with this: We have seen a lot of people who have Apple products for personal use try to advocate for the replacement of their business devices with Apple products. For small scale deployments in some "non-essential" areas, this makes sense. However, on a larger scale it does not for various reasons. Those reason include lack of security (Apple doesn't have the security software that both Microsoft and Blackberry have), lack of some business and specialized software (we still need Microsoft Office and Exchange servers, Windows has a ton of enterprise software Apple has no replacement for), lack of durability (Apple focuses on making products look good, not last long.. we use a lot of hardened laptops and tablets which Apple doesn't offer), and privacy concerns (Apple is all about protecting your privacy, businesses are not when you use their devices).
I want to share one more thing with you as to why some organizations are hesitant to go the Mac route and trust Apple -- it's a history lesson. When organizations first started to deploy computers in large scales, most of the machines were from IBM and most had some form of the Unix operating system on them. These machines were expensive. Then companies like Apple and others started to clone IBM's computers. The clones were a lot cheaper than what IBM sold their computers for, but the major problem was they didn't have a unified GUI. Microsoft came along, fresh off a contract with IBM to make OS-2, and developed the Windows operating system to run on all IBM cloned computers (Apple chose to go the PPC route). Microsoft sold the idea to organizations that they could use cheaper hardware from any vendor they wanted, along with Microsoft's software, and save a lot of money over what IBM was charging. It worked. IBM left the computer OS and hardware business, selling most of that business to Lenovo. Then something bad happened. Microsoft became the dominant force in IT, then the price started going through the roof for their software and services.
Everyone is looking for alternatives, but not that many people trust Apple. For one, Apple's products are already expensive from the start and, like IBM, Apple controls both the hardware and software -- Microsoft only controls enterprise software. People are not comfortable with putting all of their eggs in one basket. What's stopping Apple from doing to businesses just what they are doing right now in the personal computer market? Are you seriously comfortable with the fact that Macs have increased in cost to the point where the gap is nearly 4 times as much as it was before the IBM study? Enterprise software is not there for Macs yet, but what happens when it does get there? Is Apple going to pull a Microsoft and raise the price on the software every year?
Everyone is looking for alternatives, but not that many people trust Apple. For one, Apple's products are already expensive from the start and, like IBM, Apple controls both the hardware and software -- Microsoft only controls enterprise software. People are not comfortable with putting all of their eggs in one basket. What's stopping Apple from doing to businesses just what they are doing right now in the personal computer market? Are you seriously comfortable with the fact that Macs have increased in cost to the point where the gap is nearly 4 times as much as it was before the IBM study? Enterprise software is not there for Macs yet, but what happens when it does get there? Is Apple going to pull a Microsoft and raise the price on the software every year?
What the heck are you talking about... Apple was never an IBM clone maker. Apple existed in the home computer market before IBM entered. I (my father) owned the first revision of the IBM PC it came out just before my father bought a home computer. Because Apple II was the computer I was familiar with I would have preferred him to buy it, but my father bought the IBM PC (he had an IBM bias which he got because he had acquired an IBM Mainframe for the local college before... so IBM was what he knew and felt comfortable with). When companies bought computers, they were also familiar with the big existing mainframe companies so that was what they tended to buy. IBM had pretty well published the entire design, schematics (which I had), the BIOS code etc... so it did not take long for other clone makers to enter the market... but they were not Apple. Even though the IBM computers were expensive in comparison to the clone makers - companies tended to buy from IBM over those clone makers. I lived through that era, I had the hardware, I don't know where you got your history lesson but it is completely messed up. All these IBM computers ran DOS (not UNIX), which was roughly based on CP/M (but backward to CP/M)... and yes, I programmed on CP/M machines (accounting software) before then. Apple in a deal with Xerox got access to their labs (for significant stock) [Xerox was very good at developing innovative products but not very good at polishing them into a market. The idea of a computer with a windowing operating system and a mouse came from Xerox (though it was not a clone) and in 1984 Apple introduced the Macintosh (which was an all in one computer). It was innovative, and got a lot of buzz. Apple did continue with the Apple II IIe III computers for quite a while after that, but the Macintosh operating system was born.
Microsoft (the makers of IBM and MS DOS) saw this and basically hacked out a very rough Windows operating system (though technically it was just a UI running on DOS). It was not until much later that it became Windows the operating system and not running on top of DOS.
The whole OS though was a kludge from top to bottom and in a deal with IBM they created in conjunction with IBM OS/2 (though this was more politics and Microsoft played with IBM then stabbed them in the back - they never had any intent of allowing OS/2 to replace Windows). OS/2 (which I also used) was a reasonable operating system at the time.
And yes IBM did "sell" their PC business to Lenovo, but they actually held a substantial stake inside Lenovo for quite a while... and eventually exited. (So IBM remained committed to those PCs). It is only in the last 5 or so years that IBM started transitioning to Apple computers (employees have a choice). Last I heard IBM had potentially as many as 200,000 (that was what they were expecting would be near the peak) Macs deployed (I am not sure if Google or IBM has more Macs deployed at this point).
BTW, I worked for IBM for a while.
Your version of history is very very messed up.
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I wish I had read this first. My one day old 16" Pro i9 is slower than my 2014 model from 7 years ago. 20% slower almost. It's unreal. I bought it specifically for better performance. Is there any fix at all?
That is old and cold. It was a system issue that was corrected within less than 1 week and actually impacted about 1000 people. Big ado about nothing. Haters had a field day