YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues

[flat five]

, I just disagree with you about where this is going in the future.

probably and end of computers as we know them today.
we’re still using the computer invented in the 70s or so... just better versions of it.
but i’m not really thinking we’ll continue with this same paradigm for too much longer.

idk, if the topic is where will Apple be, as a company, say 10-20 years into the future... hopefully they’re not highly focused on still churning out 60 year old PCs and expecting to remain relevant.

if you’re trying to predict the future of computer companies, it might not hurt to focus more on ‘futuristic’.. if anything, the thought exercise could be more fun, more creative, and maybe even more beneficial as a topic of discussion than “tim sux”.. that’s just boring and lazy and unimaginative and insignificant.. ie— a waste of time

 

[Frank Dalton]

probably and end of computers as we know them today.
we’re still using the computer invented in the 70s or so... just better versions of it.
but i’m not really thinking we’ll continue with this same paradigm for too much longer.

idk, if the topic is where will Apple be, as a company, say 10-20 years into the future... hopefully they’re not highly focused on still churning out 60 year old PCs and expecting to remain relevant.

if you’re trying to predict the future of computer companies, it might not hurt to focus more on ‘futuristic’.. if anything, the thought exercise could be more fun, more creative, and maybe even more beneficial as a topic of discussion than “tim sux”.. that’s just boring and lazy and unimaginative and insignificant.. ie— a waste of time

As long as the computers of the future allow me the freedom to do what I want with them then I’m fine with a paradigm shift. The paradigm shift that I don’t want to see happen is personal computers being replaced by something that is as locked down as iOS devices, with a guy like Tim Cook dictating to the world from Cupertino what software they can and can’t install and what level of access to their own files they can have.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

And yet another:

I did not try and follow it and search for the source, but the one thing that caught my eye was a reference to another person testing with full fans vs Apple's subdued fan profile and Final Cut Pro X test with that change was about a 50%+ improvement. I am wondering about optimizing the fans for performance along with changing the config for limiting the maximum TDP.

I think the optimal solution would allow the user in system preferences to prioritize performance over sound or vice-versa, along with something in the future that uses the Core-ML and optimizes the performance based on application and how you use the computer. Obviously, if you are a developer that tends which use-cases tend to be more about fewer cores at higher speeds, vs highly threaded crunching that tries to crush the Mac into little pieces.

It is why I am still more or less on the fence with regards to whether the i9 is worth it over the i7 2.6GHz (the 2.2GHz model is only about $100USD change all things being equal; the i9 I think is $300).

 

[Abazigal]

As long as the computers of the future allow me the freedom to do what I want with them then I’m fine with a paradigm shift. The paradigm shift that I don’t want to see happen is personal computers being replaced by something that is as locked down as iOS devices, with a guy like Tim Cook dictating to the world from Cupertino what software they can and can’t install and what level of access to their own files they can have.

I am personally betting on it (the iPad being the general purpose of the masses).

 

[k4ever]

It's only semantics, but "overclocking" doesn't necessarily mean the CPU runs above standard clock speed indefinitely. Turbo Boost is considered "dynamic overclocking," where it overclocks the CPU only under certain conditions. I think there are homemade overclock setups that do that too, or you could also increase the clock speed of all the steps and let it throttle as the safety mechanism.

You're right, we are arguing over semantics. However, there is an important distinction between "Turbo Boost" and "overclock," especially when advertising the two. Most Core i-series CPUs will turbo boost, but only a select few are overclockable. The CPU will turbo boost on its own, as long as the parameters are correct, since turbo boost is a normal function of the CPU. A user has to program a CPU to overclock, and that user needs to know what he/she is doing.

 

[ipponrg]

I am personally betting on it (the iPad being the general purpose of the masses).

Tablet sales are flat overall for the last few years. What kind of fortune teller are you?

As long as the computers of the future allow me the freedom to do what I want with them then I’m fine with a paradigm shift. The paradigm shift that I don’t want to see happen is personal computers being replaced by something that is as locked down as iOS devices, with a guy like Tim Cook dictating to the world from Cupertino what software they can and can’t install and what level of access to their own files they can have.

http://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mobile-tablet
http://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mobile-tablet/worldwide

I wouldn't worry too much about it. People consume much more on a desktop and mobile than a tablet without a doubt. Statcounter (which is similar to GA) is just 1 of many sites that supports this.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

You're right, we are arguing over semantics. However, there is an important distinction between "Turbo Boost" and "overclock," especially when advertising the two. Most Core i-series CPUs will turbo boost, but only a select few are overclockable. The CPU will turbo boost on its own, as long as the parameters are correct, since turbo boost is a normal function of the CPU. A user has to program a CPU to overclock, and that user needs to know what he/she is doing.

It is not semantics. Overclocking is where you are operating outside of published specifications, turbo is just the CPU operating as normal within specifications.

 

[flat five]

I am personally betting on it (the iPad being the general purpose of the masses).

the phones are already that.

for many to most people, there’s no need for a tablet or a PC.. they can do it all on their phones

for a lot of work though, (or, at least mine).. a tablet won’t cut it nor will a phone.

but i think some version of AR and/or VR will.. if the communication of what the user wants to do can be streamlined or otherwise be efficient and effective.

idk, the future of ‘pro computing’ isn’t a phone or a tablet or a PC... it’s something different..

and as Jobs_y as it may sound, we generally don’t know what we want in a future computer until somebody shows us what it is.. and until that time comes, we’ll just sit around and argue about things that we didn’t know what we wanted either until somebody showed us.. except now we’re all experts about those things and know better than those who showed us in the first place.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Tablet sales are flat overall for the last few years. What kind of fortune teller are you?



http://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mobile-tablet
http://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mobile-tablet/worldwide

I wouldn't worry too much about it. People consume much more on a desktop and mobile than a tablet without a doubt. Statcounter (which is similar to GA) is just 1 of many sites that supports this.

Haven't iPad sales shown growth for the last 2 quarters?

 

[bkkcanuck8]

Tablet sales are flat overall for the last few years. What kind of fortune teller are you?



http://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mobile-tablet
http://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mobile-tablet/worldwide

I wouldn't worry too much about it. People consume much more on a desktop and mobile than a tablet without a doubt. Statcounter (which is similar to GA) is just 1 of many sites that supports this.

The worldwide numbers are suspect. Thailand is a midlevel country and everyone and their dog has a smartphone of one type or another -- but it is rare for them to have a desktop or laptop computer. Some might have an iPad as a second device, but even that -- would not be the norm. Then of course the replacement cycle for phones is still much shorter (by a multiple) than computers.

 

[antonis]

The closest thing I have found to a quote where Schiller supposedly said the MBP can replace the Mac Pro is “The job of the notebook is to make it so you never need a desktop.”

Maybe that was it?

Nah, I saw it on live broadcasting of WWDC. It was all about pushing MBP as a Mac Pro replacement. And there was this hilarious photo along with it (I wish I could find it). It was discussed in these forums, on Mac Pro section as well, back then. Personally, I'm not surprised. Phil has said even worse things in the past.

Regardless, why would anyone get an i9 if not for the extra cpu oomf in order to perform heavy workflows with it ?

 

[Zdigital2015]

I am not sure if anyone else has posted here, so please forgive the double post...Intel has posted the latest version of their Power Gadget, which is now at version 3.5.3 - https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-power-gadget-20 - and I quickly found that this version is designed to work only with High Sierra (and Mojave) when I tried to load it onto a 2015 MacBook Pro running macOS Sierra 10.12.6. I don't have a permalink to version 3.5.2 as it looks like Intel does not provide one on the app's detail page, nor is there any sort of changelog detailing what is different in v3.5.3 from v3.5.2 and so on.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Nah, I saw it on live broadcasting of WWDC. It was all about pushing MBP as a Mac Pro replacement. And there was this hilarious photo along with it (I wish I could find it). It was discussed in these forums, on Mac Pro section as well, back then. Personally, I'm not surprised. Phil has said even worse things in the past.

Regardless, why would anyone get an i9 if not for the extra cpu oomf in order to perform heavy workflows with it ?

Well Schiller definitely talked about the iPad Pro being able to replace a Mac for some but Schiller claiming a MBP can replace a Mac Pro? He’s a marketing guy so I wouldn’t put it past him, but no one has been able to source it. It’s a rather inflammatory quote, it seems like there would be some record of it.

Edit: I found the reference, it popped up in another thread today. It was from the 2016 MBP release event. But it was not “all about pushing MBP as a Mac Pro replacement”, it was about the capabilities that the four Thunderbolt 3 ports and the Touch Bar on the new platform provide. Schiller talks about a MBP with two 5K monitors and two 24TB RAID arrays attached to the four Thunderbolt 3 ports and says “So, when you think about that storage, those displays... this level of expandability and performance is not possible on any other notebook.” An FCP demo followed.

I’m pretty sure this is the “hilarious” picture you reference However, any notion that Schiller was claiming a MBP could replace a Mac Pro is nothing more than an assumption on your part. It certainly does imply one can use the MBP to edit in Final Cut Pro, but I’m not sure anyone would disagree with that, since it is a relatively common platform for FCP.

 

[macpcf]

So I was investigating into any alternatives for macbook pro and found out that the dell xps 15 processors also throttle down under high load. Granted it is not bad as macbook pro, but some users report heavy throttling when playing games etc. It seems like this is not apple specific issues rather an issue occurred by trying to include a powerful processor in a light form factor. This will work on huge gaming rigs, but it effects the mobility. It seems like companies such as apple and dell are just thinking about selling their items giving the latest specs rather than seriously considering how they perform in the real world. If i9 is too bad, I hope at least the i7 base clock version won't have any thermal issues.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

So I was investigating into any alternatives for macbook pro and found out that the dell xps 15 processors also throttle down under high load. Granted it is not bad as macbook pro, but some users report heavy throttling when playing games etc. It seems like this is not apple specific issues rather an issue occurred by trying to include a powerful processor in a light form factor. This will work on huge gaming rigs, but it effects the mobility. It seems like companies such as apple and dell are just thinking about selling their items giving the latest specs rather than seriously considering how they perform in the real world. If i9 is too bad, I hope at least the i7 base clock version won't have any thermal issues.

You are not the first one to bring this up in this thread and/or in other threads. This is discussed ad infinitum already.

 

[bwreynolds72]

That means nothing! Logan Paul had tons of followers etc and erm well let us just say that he seems to be a pork pie short of a picnic.
I mean nobody can say he is normal when he comes across a dead body as a result of them committing suicide and he laughs and jokes about it. Then he gets reprimanded by Youtube only to refuse to do as told1
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I said well respected Youtuber....not a complete waste of life with a lot of followers.

 

[ipponrg]

Haven't iPad sales shown growth for the last 2 quarters?

I'm not sure if you can see this link: https://www.statista.com/statistics/269914/apples-global-revenue-from-ipad-sales-by-quarter/

But basically it shows mild growth compared to prior quarters, but still overall it's been pretty flat the last few years. Perhaps it could be people abandoning their desktops or people replacing their ipads.

The worldwide numbers are suspect. Thailand is a midlevel country and everyone and their dog has a smartphone of one type or another -- but it is rare for them to have a desktop or laptop computer. Some might have an iPad as a second device, but even that -- would not be the norm. Then of course the replacement cycle for phones is still much shorter (by a multiple) than computers.

Could be. Thailand might be a VPN spot for some (or many). These sites typically correlate this data based off user agents. Also, remember even mid world countries have had desktops for the longest time. Lastly even though these metrics say "worldwide share", I feel they more or less based on views. So I might interpret the data in that 64% of total views came from mobile whereas 33% came from desktop.

 

[bwreynolds72]

Having millions of subscribers does not equate to credibility and knowledge on a certain topic.
This is an engineering issue - you're packing power into a small frame and not allowing the heat that's generated to dissipate well. It's a very simple issue. It is also a problem that happens in extreme conditions so it's a very simulated scenario. No one's gonna be putting their laptop in the freezer, but also if people are pushing capabilities to the maximum then they will make sure they allow for good ventilation etc.

Yep you totally missed my point...add yourself to the list. I agree the number of followers doesn't equate to credibility, but this guy is well respected in the community and widely considered credible...AND he has lots of followers which is my entire point that he is not random.

 

[macpcf]

They have a good review on the i7 model
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-15-2018-2-6-GHz-560X-Laptop-Review.317358.0.html

 

[bkkcanuck8]

I'm not sure if you can see this link: https://www.statista.com/statistics/269914/apples-global-revenue-from-ipad-sales-by-quarter/

But basically it shows mild growth compared to prior quarters, but still overall it's been pretty flat the last few years. Perhaps it could be people abandoning their desktops or people replacing their ipads.



Could be. Thailand might be a VPN spot for some (or many). These sites typically correlate this data based off user agents. Also, remember even mid world countries have had desktops for the longest time. Lastly even though these metrics say "worldwide share", I feel they more or less based on views. So I might interpret the data in that 64% of total views came from mobile whereas 33% came from desktop.

Using web site analytics for an english site (for world-wide) where countries don't speak english ... would be the height of arrogance (but would explain the data being so skewed). It would not completely explain it though... since those numbers would still be suspect even for the US.

A phone you are more likely to use an App... ever a website... unless there is no other option. I rarely use websites if there is an app for something... and there usually is (that would include smartphones and tablets).

 

[dspdoc]

I am impressed Apple! You stepped up, publicly acknowledging the issue and not only that, but fixed it way quicker than I think anyone would ever have anticipated. Is everyone done banging on Apple for a little bit now? Don't answer that. I already know the answer. Haters are gonna hate.

 

[jakdaniel1975]

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/07/24/2018-macbook-pro-fix/

who has a macbook i9 2018 please test !!! ( cinebench , etc )

 

[bkkcanuck8]

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/07/24/2018-macbook-pro-fix/

who has a macbook i9 2018 please test !!! ( cinebench , etc )

Cool, it will be interesting to see all the sites retest.

 

[Soccertess]

To be fair this guy is a colossal winer who makes a living attacking apple now.

C'mon guys USE YOUR HEADS!

Guess who were proven wrong!!!

Use your head.. Apple admitted that it was a software bug.

You should apologize to everyone on here

 

[bkkcanuck8]

I am impressed Apple! You stepped up, publicly acknowledging the issue and not only that, but fixed it way quicker than I think anyone would ever have anticipated. Is everyone done banging on Apple for a little bit now? Don't answer that. I already know the answer. Haters are gonna hate.

Actually, not that much of a surprise. I said there was an issue, that Apple had to respond to it. I sort of expected a patch of some sort with a couple weeks - which is why my recommendation was if you have ordered the laptop keep it for 13 days then if it was not fixed by then call apple and tell them the situation and get an RMA of some sort and ask how long do you have before you must return. It is likely that Apple would give you extra time since either way - the return would mean having to refurb it and resell it for a 15% discount + the cost of admin, refurb etc... which Apple would not like to eat if they don't have to.

I am patiently (impatiently) waiting for everyone to retest.
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